WEBVTT 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:11.060 Good morning, Tromaville. 00:00:11.380 --> 00:00:11.880 It's me, 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:12.760 Zack Beins, 00:00:12.820 --> 00:00:14.880 host of the Talkin' Troma podcast. 00:00:15.660 --> 00:00:18.560 I'm so grateful that all of you could be here with me today 00:00:18.900 --> 00:00:22.080 on April Fools. 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:24.920 There is a graphic there unless there's not. 00:00:25.250 --> 00:00:25.880 If you're listening, 00:00:26.100 --> 00:00:26.660 there's definitely 00:00:26.820 --> 00:00:29.080 no graphic and please pay attention to the roads. 00:00:30.220 --> 00:00:30.740 Today, 00:00:31.540 --> 00:00:34.780 I was joined with one of the best people 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:37.780 in all of Tromaville, in all of the world, 00:00:38.720 --> 00:00:39.500 Debbie Rochon. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:41.460 And we catch up a little bit, 00:00:42.020 --> 00:00:44.600 and we got to put something out in the world 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.380 that I never thought would exist. 00:00:46.620 --> 00:00:52.340 It's ridiculous and hilarious and should it exist? 00:00:52.680 --> 00:00:54.200 I don't know, but I thought it should. 00:00:55.090 --> 00:00:57.159 Me and Debbie do an audio commentary 00:00:57.160 --> 00:01:00.340 for the Troma Family Fun Classic, 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:02.000 Doggie Tails. 00:01:02.820 --> 00:01:03.420 So everybody, 00:01:04.660 --> 00:01:04.980 enjoy, 00:01:05.379 --> 00:01:05.720 listen, 00:01:06.060 --> 00:01:11.060 and please have a good time with this conversation 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.800 and commentary for Doggie Tails with Debbie Rochon. 00:01:20.260 --> 00:01:22.220 Good morning, Tromaville, 00:01:22.220 --> 00:01:24.360 and if you're listening on April 1st, 00:01:24.360 --> 00:01:25.640 Happy April Fool's Day. 00:01:26.260 --> 00:01:30.800 And today I have the most legendary person 00:01:30.860 --> 00:01:32.040 in all of Tromaville, 00:01:32.390 --> 00:01:33.400 in all of the world, 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:34.340 in all of cinema, 00:01:35.520 --> 00:01:36.280 Debbie Rochon. 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:38.100 Me? 00:01:38.360 --> 00:01:38.740 Yes. 00:01:38.780 --> 00:01:39.720 Thank you. 00:01:40.320 --> 00:01:42.400 Happy April Fool's, 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:42.980 fools. 00:01:43.980 --> 00:01:44.420 Gotcha. 00:01:45.380 --> 00:01:45.760 Gotcha. 00:01:46.440 --> 00:01:51.280 So I thought instead of playing a joke on the audience 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.160 where we promise them something fun 00:01:53.160 --> 00:01:54.140 and don't give them anything. 00:01:54.730 --> 00:01:58.120 I thought it would be great to do a commentary today 00:01:58.720 --> 00:02:03.080 for one of the most star-studded Troma movies of all time, 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:04.700 Doggie Tails. 00:02:05.620 --> 00:02:07.260 Why hasn't this happened before? 00:02:07.820 --> 00:02:09.479 The demand had to be there. 00:02:09.860 --> 00:02:13.720 Why there isn't a Criterion disc of Doggie Tails yet? 00:02:13.820 --> 00:02:14.280 I don't know. 00:02:15.040 --> 00:02:18.600 I'm telling you, if somebody doesn't do a special release 00:02:18.720 --> 00:02:21.300 with like all the, a booklet and the artwork 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:22.540 and all that stuff, 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:23.680 I don't know, 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:24.980 putting it out there. 00:02:25.220 --> 00:02:27.860 Maybe they were talking to Drew Struzan at one point 00:02:27.980 --> 00:02:31.880 to do a poster of Lucky in like Indiana Jones or something, 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:33.200 but you know. 00:02:36.440 --> 00:02:38.740 But before we hop into Doggie Tails though, 00:02:38.920 --> 00:02:41.740 I wanna catch up, it's been a while since I've seen ya. 00:02:43.239 --> 00:02:45.640 Last time was when you were out here in Colorado 00:02:45.820 --> 00:02:46.740 for the Festival of Horror, 00:02:47.340 --> 00:02:51.280 where I was lucky enough to be able to present you 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:52.540 the Lifetime Achievement Award. 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:53.960 Amazing. 00:02:54.340 --> 00:02:55.620 I'm still blown away. 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.880 I'm still honored and blown away. 00:02:59.100 --> 00:03:00.120 So yeah, thank you. 00:03:00.300 --> 00:03:00.940 That was great. 00:03:00.980 --> 00:03:01.560 Amazing. 00:03:02.600 --> 00:03:03.600 It, it was, 00:03:03.700 --> 00:03:04.740 maybe heels. 00:03:05.060 --> 00:03:06.360 I got all the heels. 00:03:06.600 --> 00:03:07.320 I really did. 00:03:07.380 --> 00:03:09.140 I know it's amazing piece too. 00:03:09.380 --> 00:03:10.100 It's amazing. 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:10.820 Thank you. 00:03:11.140 --> 00:03:11.480 You're welcome. 00:03:11.640 --> 00:03:11.760 Yeah. 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:14.140 It was super honored just to, 00:03:14.440 --> 00:03:16.580 you know, be there with you and hang out. 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:16.800 And, 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.700 and we, we had such a great time and I can't say. 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.780 kind enough things about you because you're just so awesome. 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:32.020 One thing I did want to ask you about, which was one of the current-ish projects that you did, 00:03:32.100 --> 00:03:36.060 was you made a guest appearance on my friend Chaz Kangas' 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.780 hip-hop album, 00:03:38.740 --> 00:03:43.140 the Troma Project, "50 Years of Real Fan-Toxic Hip-Hop." 00:03:43.320 --> 00:03:43.960 Yes! 00:03:44.140 --> 00:03:48.320 Yeah, tell us a little bit about that, because it's so fun to hear you pop up on there. 00:03:48.440 --> 00:03:49.500 [JL] Okay, 00:03:50.020 --> 00:03:55.820 so who knew that I'd be doing so much music these days? 00:03:56.420 --> 00:04:04.360 Because SkinFlix, a group from Wales, 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.700 I just finished my part on that and that will be 00:04:09.700 --> 00:04:18.060 like the fourth LP or disc that I've been on and I did Chaz's rap album. 00:04:19.140 --> 00:04:19.540 I mean, 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:21.000 who knew? 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.220 Because let me tell you something from the Slice Girls era, 00:04:24.880 --> 00:04:29.240 that was a disc and everybody was actually singing on it. 00:04:29.440 --> 00:04:29.600 The, 00:04:29.990 --> 00:04:33.020 you know, take off on the Spice Girls, 00:04:33.220 --> 00:04:33.960 the Slice Girls. 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.680 And, you know, who knew back then that I would come into this 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:45.680 this music world as a non-musical person and just put so many tracks 00:04:45.900 --> 00:04:49.840 down from the luxury of my own home. 00:04:50.440 --> 00:04:52.440 But I did do something for Chaz. 00:04:52.440 --> 00:04:57.640 It was a very small bit based on an old sort of, I think it was like an 00:04:57.750 --> 00:04:58.940 R&B song. 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.220 And I just did it, sent it in. I said, 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:05.280 "Do you want it another 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:07.540 the way and he said, "No, it's perfect." 00:05:07.540 --> 00:05:07.820 I said, 00:05:08.060 --> 00:05:08.480 "Great, 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:09.840 fantastic." 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:12.520 And I can't wait to get my copy. 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:14.000 Chaz, 00:05:14.250 --> 00:05:15.620 you need to send Debbie her copy. 00:05:17.460 --> 00:05:18.780 Come on, Chaz. 00:05:19.460 --> 00:05:25.900 Uh, but no, it was like so much fun and he did such a great job with it, uh, 00:05:26.100 --> 00:05:31.460 because we did it so long before the record came out, right? 00:05:31.520 --> 00:05:32.880 So in other words, 00:05:33.440 --> 00:05:35.960 there was so much work put into it. 00:05:37.020 --> 00:05:39.500 And there was like all these people behind it. 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:41.420 And like, it was a big event. 00:05:41.440 --> 00:05:42.860 It was a really big event. 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:44.760 People should get it. 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:47.020 If you haven't gotten it already, 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:48.640 I think you're gonna love it. 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:49.020 It's just, 00:05:49.960 --> 00:05:52.280 it's Tromaville all the way. 00:05:52.900 --> 00:05:54.460 So any fans, 00:05:54.820 --> 00:05:56.360 this would definitely be a piece 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.820 for the collection while it exists. 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:00.760 And it's so cool that it, 00:06:01.420 --> 00:06:04.500 you know, is a physical album and not just a digital thing. 00:06:05.280 --> 00:06:05.680 Yeah, 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:06.320 exactly. 00:06:06.700 --> 00:06:07.380 And that's, yeah, 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:08.440 that's hard. 00:06:08.740 --> 00:06:12.520 That's hard and not, and not inexpensive. 00:06:12.940 --> 00:06:13.860 I was gonna say cheap. 00:06:13.940 --> 00:06:15.420 You're never supposed to say the word cheap. 00:06:16.320 --> 00:06:17.600 That's what salespeople tell you. 00:06:17.860 --> 00:06:19.140 Never use the word cheap. 00:06:19.340 --> 00:06:20.920 Say inexpensive. 00:06:21.860 --> 00:06:24.420 It's not inexpensive to make this. 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.440 Nor is it inexpensive to make this commentary track 00:06:29.900 --> 00:06:30.720 to Doggie Tails. 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:31.680 It's true. 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:32.960 (laughing) 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:35.240 And also, 00:06:35.500 --> 00:06:37.980 another cool thing is the 30th anniversary 00:06:38.520 --> 00:06:39.780 of Tromeo and Juliet, 00:06:40.460 --> 00:06:41.640 which is coming up. 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.880 One of your first forays into the feature film world. 00:06:46.540 --> 00:06:47.160 Tell us, 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:49.560 looking back on it now, 00:06:49.740 --> 00:06:51.680 how do you feel about Tromeo? 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:53.240 Well, 00:06:53.420 --> 00:06:56.860 it's interesting because I always just, 00:06:57.520 --> 00:07:00.740 I loved it so much from the memories of making it, 00:07:01.020 --> 00:07:01.180 right? 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:08.660 The memories were just so incredible and varied and different and reflective of the 90s 00:07:08.660 --> 00:07:13.760 and what was going on then and who was coming up and all of the artists that were involved 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:17.220 and the actors that were involved. I mean, 00:07:18.100 --> 00:07:21.460 some of the actors in this are to this day, 00:07:22.420 --> 00:07:22.620 just, 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.980 it will blow your mind to see the movie. 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.360 Like Valentine Mealy, he just, for whatever 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:28.760 reason, 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:29.380 like, you know how, 00:07:29.880 --> 00:07:33.600 and the meat guy, 00:07:33.760 --> 00:07:34.360 oh my goodness, 00:07:34.660 --> 00:07:35.560 our meat man, 00:07:36.080 --> 00:07:37.260 the meat beau, 00:07:37.400 --> 00:07:38.140 if you will. 00:07:38.620 --> 00:07:41.140 He is phenomenal. 00:07:41.780 --> 00:07:41.860 Like, 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:43.520 holy cow, you want to talk about Jim 00:07:43.940 --> 00:07:47.180 Carey or someone with the chops of comedy, 00:07:47.540 --> 00:07:48.420 physical comedy, 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:49.760 this guy. 00:07:51.440 --> 00:07:56.480 You can't tell me that there's any difference as opposed to like, 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.340 well, one person made it because there was more talent and stuff. No, 00:08:01.500 --> 00:08:04.460 there was just maybe more opportunity or something. 00:08:04.700 --> 00:08:06.980 But he is just so good. 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:08.620 So the performances, 00:08:08.960 --> 00:08:11.980 I think, are just out of this world. 00:08:12.540 --> 00:08:15.800 And I was very lucky for on my part, 00:08:16.060 --> 00:08:18.040 because I had been working with Lloyd 00:08:18.100 --> 00:08:24.040 and Troma for a few years at that point, not a long time, but since 92. 00:08:24.180 --> 00:08:25.720 And we shot it in 95. 00:08:26.580 --> 00:08:28.080 So I was working with them already. 00:08:28.940 --> 00:08:29.120 And, 00:08:29.540 --> 00:08:31.040 you know, because I watched the movie 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.460 and I saw it recently in a big screen with, 00:08:34.479 --> 00:08:35.700 you know, an audience. 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:37.320 And I thought to myself, 00:08:37.979 --> 00:08:41.280 it is so cool and it's cool to see the sort of like 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.160 imperfections of the film as it was going on. 00:08:45.160 --> 00:08:47.420 And I felt like it was a different time. 00:08:47.500 --> 00:08:50.600 Like I felt like it was an old movie, 00:08:50.790 --> 00:08:52.040 you know, like I'm not 00:08:52.260 --> 00:08:53.540 talking Gloria Swanson, 00:08:53.740 --> 00:08:56.760 but I'm saying like it had that vibe 00:08:57.140 --> 00:09:00.260 of a definite different time. 00:09:00.570 --> 00:09:01.040 And I was like, 00:09:01.300 --> 00:09:01.900 wow, 00:09:02.400 --> 00:09:03.500 that's really cool. 00:09:05.160 --> 00:09:08.260 I look at it and cringe also because, you know, 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:09.800 I personally, 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.600 I do not think I was, 00:09:11.860 --> 00:09:13.620 you know, as an actor, very good. 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:17.060 I hadn't gotten my chops yet in that movie. 00:09:17.300 --> 00:09:17.580 I think 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:23.820 there was a big difference between Tromeo and Juliet and Tara Firmer and then kind of beyond, 00:09:24.500 --> 00:09:26.620 but I was still getting my sea legs, 00:09:26.820 --> 00:09:29.100 even though I'd done a lot of studying and, 00:09:29.400 --> 00:09:29.860 you know, all 00:09:29.640 --> 00:09:33.420 this stuff. I was getting my film sea legs as it were. 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.180 So there's certain things I think I hit on 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.900 and certain things I missed. 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:43.640 But overall I think just the experience with everybody and the sheer 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:50.800 talent involved, I think the thing that surprised me most of all was not just the amount of 00:09:51.040 --> 00:09:52.500 rehearsals that we did, 00:09:52.980 --> 00:09:54.920 but the departments. 00:09:55.220 --> 00:09:58.620 Each department had so many people in it 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:05.340 And it was just kind of eye opening because a lot of the indie films, 00:10:05.580 --> 00:10:12.120 especially then it was really the DIY punk scene where everything was on the fly 00:10:12.220 --> 00:10:14.860 and just a couple people here and a couple people there, 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:15.480 you know, 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:16.820 creating something. 00:10:17.060 --> 00:10:20.380 But there was actually a lot of people on that set. 00:10:21.100 --> 00:10:25.660 So I was lucky enough to see an early cut of power positive murder. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:26.980 Yeah. 00:10:27.340 --> 00:10:30.800 And I would love to hear you talk about your character. 00:10:30.820 --> 00:10:33.180 I feel like it's a very different character, 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:34.800 uh, that we've seen you play, 00:10:35.020 --> 00:10:38.900 especially from your characters in Troma films, and they give you a 00:10:38.920 --> 00:10:40.680 lot to chew on as this character. 00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:40.980 It's, 00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:44.520 it's definitely one of the most flushed out things I've seen 00:10:44.520 --> 00:10:46.600 you play in a Lloyd film for sure. 00:10:47.620 --> 00:10:48.100 Yes. 00:10:48.460 --> 00:10:53.140 I think the whole film is like wildly fleshed out in a lot of ways. 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:55.180 Um, yeah. 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:56.020 So the character, 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:56.860 Mrs. 00:10:57.040 --> 00:10:57.520 Scarlet, 00:10:57.740 --> 00:10:59.740 misses because the late Joe 00:10:59.940 --> 00:11:00.560 Fleishaker, 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:02.960 who you don't see in the movie, but there's a 00:11:03.160 --> 00:11:04.360 painting of him on the wall. 00:11:04.880 --> 00:11:10.540 He was her husband and willed her the, you know, 00:11:11.620 --> 00:11:12.240 Scarlet's 00:11:12.760 --> 00:11:13.240 chalet, 00:11:14.300 --> 00:11:16.680 but in the movie it's called Charlotte because that's 00:11:16.760 --> 00:11:17.200 Trumaville. 00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:21.020 And so that, yeah, she's a character, 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:22.999 a real cross between 00:11:24.820 --> 00:11:33.040 Gloria Swanson and something Troma. 00:11:33.580 --> 00:11:35.980 Like I'm trying to think of the right balance. 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:38.020 Like if Gloria Swanson, 00:11:38.430 --> 00:11:40.500 because this is its own thing, 00:11:40.820 --> 00:11:41.860 right? I mean, I'm not, 00:11:42.280 --> 00:11:42.700 it's not 00:11:42.760 --> 00:11:45.700 actually this, it's its own individual thing. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:51.400 But if you put Gloria Swanson with John Waters, 00:11:51.880 --> 00:11:58.340 Perhaps something like this would have in the past come to be. 00:11:58.920 --> 00:12:05.020 But that's the best way I could describe it because I knew the vibe that Lloyd wanted 00:12:05.400 --> 00:12:15.060 and I knew what I wanted to do and I meshed them and just went 150% for it. 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:16.980 Like just went for it. 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:18.680 No holds barred. 00:12:20.400 --> 00:12:24.520 It was a lot to chew on, but it was the most satisfying. 00:12:25.230 --> 00:12:26.760 I'll tell you something too, though. 00:12:27.140 --> 00:12:32.960 When we arrived at the mansion that we shot at in the Catskills, 00:12:35.020 --> 00:12:35.900 Lloyd said, "I think 00:12:36.050 --> 00:12:44.220 we got the note one or two days before filming that he wanted the transatlantic accent," 00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:44.380 right? 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:45.840 Which makes sense. 00:12:45.890 --> 00:12:47.040 It makes perfect sense. 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:49.220 I was like, 00:12:49.580 --> 00:12:50.080 "Okay, 00:12:50.920 --> 00:12:53.000 no problem." 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.780 And so there I am, rehearsing in my room over and over with the YouTube, 00:12:57.980 --> 00:12:58.480 trying to figure 00:12:58.480 --> 00:12:58.800 it out. 00:12:58.800 --> 00:12:58.980 Like, 00:12:59.340 --> 00:12:59.520 "Okay, 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:00.740 I understand." 00:13:00.740 --> 00:13:01.360 And I was like, 00:13:02.260 --> 00:13:06.220 hours and hours and hours figuring it out to make it work. 00:13:07.400 --> 00:13:09.320 And of course in the mansion, 00:13:09.700 --> 00:13:10.660 it's very, very remote, 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.020 so the Wi-Fi kept going out. 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:15.280 So just little things like that. 00:13:15.700 --> 00:13:17.160 But we did it. 00:13:17.560 --> 00:13:22.200 And not every actor chose to do it, which I think really works. 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:30.820 I think it almost fell into a class situation, which is a lot like the book Crime and Punishment, 00:13:32.140 --> 00:13:33.140 in a sense. 00:13:33.160 --> 00:13:40.460 I mean, that old hag landlord in the book wasn't top class, 00:13:40.820 --> 00:13:42.460 but we're playing with class 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.040 in the movie version. 00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:44.740 The movie! 00:13:44.740 --> 00:13:45.240 You like that? 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:47.400 of crime and punishment. 00:13:47.780 --> 00:13:50.040 The official adaptation. 00:13:50.800 --> 00:13:51.080 Yeah, 00:13:51.260 --> 00:13:51.480 yeah, 00:13:51.800 --> 00:13:52.020 yeah. 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:53.260 If only he knew, 00:13:53.680 --> 00:13:54.340 if only, 00:13:54.520 --> 00:13:54.660 yeah. 00:13:54.860 --> 00:13:57.500 If only he could have foreseen what would be. 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.660 And I really believe he would enjoy it, to be honest. 00:14:02.480 --> 00:14:05.080 But yeah, it's been a wild ride. 00:14:05.140 --> 00:14:09.320 I mean, certain things were cut out along the way, 00:14:09.420 --> 00:14:10.900 certain things were brought back. 00:14:11.220 --> 00:14:14.219 And I think it's just got this really nice 00:14:16.100 --> 00:14:17.300 middle ground, 00:14:17.740 --> 00:14:21.960 but not as far as taking chances middle ground in a bad way. 00:14:22.300 --> 00:14:28.180 I mean, I think they found the sweet spot of having just enough this stuff, 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:29.600 but not 00:14:30.220 --> 00:14:33.340 dragging it out so it's too long. 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.600 I mean, there was an intermission at one point. 00:14:36.900 --> 00:14:37.860 Yeah, 00:14:38.020 --> 00:14:42.980 and it's still being edited as the recording of this episode. 00:14:43.800 --> 00:14:45.080 So I'm curious to see, 00:14:45.430 --> 00:14:46.860 you know, the final version of it. 00:14:47.020 --> 00:14:55.240 But it's also different from a typical Lloyd movie is it's not super reliant on special 00:14:55.380 --> 00:14:55.660 effects. 00:14:55.880 --> 00:14:59.720 It's a more actor forward film, a more story driven movie, 00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:02.520 which I was really happy to 00:15:02.620 --> 00:15:05.820 see that that was the direction that he was going with this one. 00:15:06.580 --> 00:15:13.260 I know. And I really, I have to commend him because nobody is going to expect this. 00:15:13.940 --> 00:15:21.960 But one thing that Lloyd does know how to do is he understands that a lot of people, 00:15:22.420 --> 00:15:25.520 even though he would love everybody to love it, 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:27.180 that's the truth. 00:15:27.180 --> 00:15:29.120 And that's the truth with a lot of artists. 00:15:29.620 --> 00:15:31.460 But the truth is, 00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:36.500 I mean, if if you've done something and you have people who 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:37.320 care for it, 00:15:37.540 --> 00:15:38.000 love it, 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.420 you know, obsess over it, 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:42.160 you know, hate it, all the 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:45.120 extremes, and you're going to have that in Troma Bell, 00:15:46.060 --> 00:15:47.740 this is sort of his 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:49.120 black and white. 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.780 For those that don't know already, 00:15:51.300 --> 00:15:52.980 his black and white. 00:15:54.020 --> 00:15:59.740 as close as you get to like a serious Hannah and her sisters kind of film, 00:16:00.210 --> 00:16:02.500 even though it's not that it's not that at all. 00:16:03.160 --> 00:16:05.560 But it's sort of Lloyd's. 00:16:06.520 --> 00:16:10.040 They're all art films, so it's weird to say this, but bear with me. 00:16:10.660 --> 00:16:12.520 His art art film, 00:16:12.870 --> 00:16:13.940 if that makes sense. 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:15.180 Would you agree with that? 00:16:15.420 --> 00:16:19.660 Yeah, it's it's a very restrained Lloyd movie 00:16:19.860 --> 00:16:22.760 that we've all known that he has in him from, 00:16:23.230 --> 00:16:23.420 you know, 00:16:23.420 --> 00:16:28.740 when you watch the performances of like you and Jane and Tromeo just like talking 00:16:28.860 --> 00:16:29.800 with each other, 00:16:30.060 --> 00:16:32.140 uh, you know, in the bedroom, 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:34.780 uh, to this where it's, 00:16:35.540 --> 00:16:37.980 you can feel the characters, you can feel the emotion, 00:16:38.520 --> 00:16:39.440 but at the end of the day, 00:16:39.540 --> 00:16:41.980 it's still Tromaville, there's still sex and violence, 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:43.260 but it's, 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:45.020 uh, it's with a 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:46.180 restrained hand, 00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:51.420 uh, that makes all of it a lot more powerful in this movie than a 00:16:52.260 --> 00:16:53.140 Right. 00:16:54.340 --> 00:16:54.580 Yeah. 00:16:55.060 --> 00:17:00.760 And the evil forces that the anti-hero, 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.220 much like in the book and also 00:17:03.700 --> 00:17:04.540 in Tromaville, 00:17:04.819 --> 00:17:07.459 right? It's usually like nobody's perfect, 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:07.860 right? 00:17:08.360 --> 00:17:12.120 The evil force or forces that 00:17:12.220 --> 00:17:17.959 he is fighting against is it's not this crazy army of, 00:17:18.699 --> 00:17:19.060 you know, 00:17:19.360 --> 00:17:22.100 wild bikers or something 00:17:22.260 --> 00:17:24.079 that would be normal in Tromaville. 00:17:24.740 --> 00:17:27.459 It's a person that, 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:27.900 you know, 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:29.280 you owe money to. Like, 00:17:29.320 --> 00:17:33.780 it's a really basic thing that we all experience. 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:35.600 Of course, it's, you know, 00:17:35.780 --> 00:17:38.740 racked up to 10 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:39.500 the volume, 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:40.400 maybe 11. 00:17:40.700 --> 00:17:40.820 Yeah. 00:17:41.780 --> 00:17:46.040 But at the same time, it is. Yeah. It's really all 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:52.880 the elements are so different. Right. Just like I feel like the fans have seen 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:54.600 these elements in his other movies, 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:55.320 but, 00:17:56.560 --> 00:17:57.640 you know, they're often, 00:17:58.180 --> 00:17:58.420 you know, 00:17:58.540 --> 00:18:04.220 mixed in with a ton of gore and a ton of sex and violence. And this is in there. 00:18:04.220 --> 00:18:07.420 but it's really story driven and character driven, 00:18:08.110 --> 00:18:09.600 which in talking to 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:10.020 Lloyd, 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.000 like he's a lover of old cinema. 00:18:12.340 --> 00:18:12.560 So, 00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:16.080 so you could see that come through on this. 00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:23.560 I'm so happy that he got to do it and who knows what his next will be. 00:18:23.840 --> 00:18:25.060 But I, 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:30.780 I was just so proud to be a part of that movie because so many 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:38.060 directors get the chance and some don't to do that movie that their audience is not expecting 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:38.740 from them. 00:18:39.340 --> 00:18:39.560 Right. 00:18:39.840 --> 00:18:43.160 But it's in them to do and they want to do it. 00:18:43.370 --> 00:18:44.120 And it's kind of like 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:45.420 burning to do it. 00:18:45.780 --> 00:18:48.220 But it's so different. You don't know how it's going to go. 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:49.240 Right. You 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.600 don't know how it's going to be taken or anything. 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:53.320 But then at the end of the day, you can't 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.500 care and you have to make your damn movie. 00:18:57.380 --> 00:18:59.480 And so what's more Troma than, 00:18:59.980 --> 00:19:00.320 you know, 00:19:00.560 --> 00:19:02.560 throughout his throughout the entire history 00:19:02.560 --> 00:19:03.280 of Troma, Bill, 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:04.940 you know, 00:19:05.320 --> 00:19:09.140 getting people's expectations flipped and twisted and showing 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.100 them the unexpected. 00:19:10.660 --> 00:19:14.000 And this is definitely the unexpected Lloyd Kaufman movie. 00:19:14.800 --> 00:19:15.700 I think so, 00:19:15.860 --> 00:19:16.000 too. 00:19:16.040 --> 00:19:17.600 And I kind of love it. 00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:20.780 There's a part of me that is like so digging it because, 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.120 you know, you have Lisa Gay. 00:19:23.180 --> 00:19:27.560 Well, it's just a painting of Joe Fleishaker, but he's represented there. 00:19:27.600 --> 00:19:30.300 And unfortunately, we don't have him with us anymore. 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:38.200 But in Lloyd and other Troma stars like Bill Whedon, 00:19:38.840 --> 00:19:41.680 and nobody is, matter of fact, they're 00:19:41.760 --> 00:19:45.860 trying to play even older than what they are in real life. 00:19:46.220 --> 00:19:47.900 Nobody's like faking it backwards. 00:19:48.520 --> 00:19:50.900 Everybody's like themselves or forward. 00:19:51.520 --> 00:20:00.640 And I almost feel like this is the, I don't know how to say it really, but the Troma 00:20:00.840 --> 00:20:06.640 movie that shows the Troma people in their senior years. 00:20:06.980 --> 00:20:07.980 Does that make any sense? 00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:08.480 It does. 00:20:08.740 --> 00:20:12.660 Well, and there's always been a theme in Lloyd's movies about aging, 00:20:14.380 --> 00:20:16.560 like with the Toxic Avengers 00:20:16.560 --> 00:20:17.600 two and three, 00:20:17.980 --> 00:20:19.040 Toxie aging, 00:20:19.620 --> 00:20:22.360 and people letting themselves age gracefully, 00:20:22.540 --> 00:20:22.820 you know, 00:20:23.060 --> 00:20:24.980 with the plastic surgery stuff, 00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:26.960 or eating organic foods, 00:20:27.340 --> 00:20:27.960 stuff like that. 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:33.100 So seeing everybody that we've all watched 00:20:33.300 --> 00:20:34.740 progress throughout the years, 00:20:35.350 --> 00:20:37.220 you playing themselves, but maybe older, 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:38.320 is, 00:20:39.020 --> 00:20:40.980 it's also just unexpected. 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.640 It is, and when Lloyd first asked me about doing this, 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:46.620 Ironically, 00:20:46.980 --> 00:20:49.140 okay, here to me, this is a new thing. 00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:50.280 He's got a 00:20:50.760 --> 00:20:53.380 process that he does. And that's part of his process, 00:20:53.600 --> 00:20:54.040 even if he 00:20:54.060 --> 00:20:55.120 already knows, 00:20:55.660 --> 00:20:57.080 and he's already made up his mind. 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:58.860 He until this 00:20:58.980 --> 00:21:00.840 movie would always say, 00:21:01.060 --> 00:21:03.340 Okay, yeah, I'm doing a new movie. And 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.700 I'd like you to do this, if you can just send in a video. 00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:07.260 Like, 00:21:07.300 --> 00:21:07.680 it's like, 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:08.360 just, 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:09.860 it's the process, 00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:10.680 like, you know, how 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.080 everybody has one, like you're sending in a video, 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:13.700 like an 00:21:13.620 --> 00:21:14.900 audition video, if you will, 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:16.760 but it's really just like have it on 00:21:17.040 --> 00:21:17.480 file. Like, 00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:20.080 it wasn't the the beginning or end, because he 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:22.540 knows what you could do and what you can't do or whatever. 00:21:23.180 --> 00:21:23.320 This 00:21:23.360 --> 00:21:26.800 was the only film he never asked me to. 00:21:27.380 --> 00:21:29.620 And when he asked me 00:21:29.760 --> 00:21:30.820 about this movie, he said, 00:21:31.600 --> 00:21:33.900 I really want you to play this 00:21:34.020 --> 00:21:35.340 Debbie, I really do. 00:21:35.760 --> 00:21:37.840 I just want to ask you, 00:21:38.340 --> 00:21:39.900 do you do you mind 00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:41.220 playing like a really, 00:21:41.590 --> 00:21:42.900 you know, an old, 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:45.580 old hag type of woman. 00:21:46.260 --> 00:21:47.100 And I said, 00:21:47.560 --> 00:21:47.860 "Lori, 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:49.760 I am an old hag. 00:21:50.300 --> 00:21:52.380 I don't don't worry about it. This is good. 00:21:52.760 --> 00:21:55.460 I won't you won't even have to use special effects makeup on me." 00:21:55.980 --> 00:21:56.940 And the truth is, 00:21:57.110 --> 00:21:59.580 we didn't use any special effects makeup. 00:21:59.830 --> 00:22:01.780 We did some really cool, 00:22:02.060 --> 00:22:04.320 like old school glamour, 00:22:04.590 --> 00:22:04.940 you know, 00:22:05.220 --> 00:22:07.200 makeup in that regard. 00:22:07.540 --> 00:22:09.160 But we had no aging makeup. 00:22:09.270 --> 00:22:10.900 It's just like balls to the wall. 00:22:11.380 --> 00:22:15.000 These are the Tromaville actors now. 00:22:15.620 --> 00:22:15.820 Yeah. 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:18.120 That's us now. 00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:20.300 You know, it's Lisa Gay. 00:22:21.580 --> 00:22:22.560 It's Lloyd Kaufman. 00:22:22.560 --> 00:22:25.660 It's like whomever you see is Bill Whedon 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:27.660 in the nude again. 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:30.940 Speaking of balls to the wall. 00:22:32.280 --> 00:22:33.240 Yeah, literally, 00:22:33.600 --> 00:22:36.940 he has his balls to a certain type of wall. 00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:39.200 But it's yeah, 00:22:39.360 --> 00:22:40.640 it's phenomenal. 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.600 I really hope people dig it. 00:22:42.700 --> 00:22:43.700 I think they will. 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:45.320 I think they're going to surprise 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:47.520 maybe themselves, 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:48.560 but certainly Lloyd. 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.200 I think. 00:22:50.360 --> 00:22:52.320 Yeah, I think it's going to resonate with people. 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:53.500 I think so, too. 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:54.640 Yeah. 00:22:55.460 --> 00:22:57.060 You know, it's not a bunch of 50, 60, 00:22:57.280 --> 00:22:57.540 70, 00:22:57.760 --> 00:22:58.640 80 year old people 00:22:59.260 --> 00:23:02.600 trying to do comedy of 20s and 30s. 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.400 It's people saying, 00:23:05.210 --> 00:23:05.800 what if? 00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:08.560 It's a grown up Troma movie. 00:23:09.100 --> 00:23:09.620 Yeah, 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:10.280 that's, 00:23:10.970 --> 00:23:11.620 in a nutshell, 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.900 that's what I've been trying to think of that phrase. 00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:15.540 Hello, 00:23:16.020 --> 00:23:17.640 it's a grown up Troma movie. 00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:22.040 Well, and it's also cool that you worked on this movie, 00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:24.380 but 30 years before you did Tromeo and Juliet. 00:23:25.860 --> 00:23:28.040 What would you say the differences 00:23:29.179 --> 00:23:31.500 from Power Positive Murder are, 00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:33.080 as opposed to Tromeo? 00:23:33.380 --> 00:23:34.820 What stuff was different, 00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:35.500 what stuff, 00:23:35.900 --> 00:23:39.480 you know, is a through line on there that stayed kind of the same. 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:40.660 Yeah. 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:49.120 So the through line is Lloyd trusting you to create and come up with a 00:23:49.260 --> 00:23:50.220 memorable character, 00:23:50.560 --> 00:23:55.880 meaning it really is on you to shine, to show up with a 00:23:56.140 --> 00:23:57.520 fully developed character, 00:23:58.760 --> 00:24:00.620 because he's not going to make that for you. 00:24:00.980 --> 00:24:03.260 He's not one of those directors that sort of like, 00:24:03.650 --> 00:24:03.900 you know, 00:24:04.540 --> 00:24:07.740 takes actors hands. He encourages, he has stuff to say. 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:09.380 But I mean, 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:12.760 if you shine or do not shine in a movie, 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.820 that's completely on you in one of his movies. 00:24:17.060 --> 00:24:20.680 It's what what work you have done and brought with you 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:22.780 and do when you're there. 00:24:23.420 --> 00:24:25.120 That's always been the same. 00:24:25.520 --> 00:24:28.760 You know, that's never changed since Tromeo to today. 00:24:30.660 --> 00:24:34.700 and his respect for departments, 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:38.120 meaning that you need them. 00:24:38.740 --> 00:24:39.740 You know, it doesn't matter. 00:24:40.120 --> 00:24:40.600 All this, 00:24:40.780 --> 00:24:41.020 you know, 00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:43.360 the the post stuff, the AI stuff, 00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:47.320 all of this other stuff makes has no effect on him. 00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:50.140 It's like you need your art department. 00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:51.660 You need special effects. 00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:54.720 You need, you know, five, six, seven departments, 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.240 even if it's whittled down to at this point, like one or two people in them. 00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:03.480 And sometimes there's five or six in them. 00:25:03.870 --> 00:25:06.780 But you need to have like an art department. 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.820 I love that about him because I don't see that enough in indie films 00:25:12.260 --> 00:25:18.360 where people take the time to really set dress a room to the character. 00:25:19.310 --> 00:25:21.040 OK, you've rented the place. 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.400 You've got the actors. 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:23.960 You've spent all of this money, 00:25:24.130 --> 00:25:26.300 but you're just shooting in a room. 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:27.920 how it is, 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.300 not how it's going to reflect the character. 00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:33.360 Sounds so basic and obvious, 00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:35.480 but you'd be surprised, 00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:36.040 you know? 00:25:36.520 --> 00:25:41.980 And so the amount of work that went into that was incredible. 00:25:42.020 --> 00:25:45.400 And also the amount of work the DP put out 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.340 and the whole film crew, 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:49.120 it being black and white. 00:25:49.620 --> 00:25:50.520 The rain. 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:54.539 Lloyd at one point wanted every single scene in the movie 00:25:54.540 --> 00:25:55.960 to be raining, 00:25:56.540 --> 00:25:57.340 every one. 00:25:58.200 --> 00:25:59.980 But at some point it was like, well, 00:26:00.860 --> 00:26:03.060 we can do the most dramatic 00:26:03.220 --> 00:26:07.060 ones with the storms and rain and all that. 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:08.800 But it became like, 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:11.420 even the building itself, 00:26:13.020 --> 00:26:15.120 the roof is so old it would leak. 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.060 So when you would have all of the waterworks coming 00:26:19.060 --> 00:26:24.960 off of the roof, it would start to come through in the house that we rented. 00:26:25.460 --> 00:26:26.780 So no, you couldn't 00:26:26.780 --> 00:26:27.200 do that. 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.540 So there were sacrifices made, 00:26:29.760 --> 00:26:30.680 as there always is. 00:26:32.360 --> 00:26:35.240 But going back to Tromeo 00:26:35.280 --> 00:26:35.680 and Juliet, 00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:42.880 I just remember the biggest thing the two films had in common, the through line, 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:49.900 I would say the actors being that good, 00:26:50.580 --> 00:26:51.720 all of the actors. 00:26:52.360 --> 00:26:55.700 And I love all of the characters in Power of Positive Murder, 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.380 and I love all of the 00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:59.960 characters seriously in Trome and Juliet. 00:27:00.860 --> 00:27:01.660 I just do. 00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:03.680 I think everybody is there. 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:04.600 They showed up. 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:05.420 They're present. 00:27:05.540 --> 00:27:07.060 They're giving it all. 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:09.940 They're leaving nothing on the table. 00:27:10.620 --> 00:27:12.440 And they're just shining. 00:27:15.340 --> 00:27:23.060 And that was a beautiful James Gunn-Lloyd Kaufman collab because it kind of brought 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:24.180 him -- at that point, 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.660 everybody was -- and when I say everybody, I don't mean the fans, 00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:29.580 I mean the critics, 00:27:29.840 --> 00:27:33.520 which prior to the internet, it was all what was going on in the newspapers 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:34.480 and magazines. 00:27:35.100 --> 00:27:36.320 And they were all like, "Oh yeah, 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.820 you know, more of the same Troma stuff over there, 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:40.920 silly." 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.100 But no, all of a sudden, 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:42.800 boom, 00:27:43.320 --> 00:27:44.160 reset. 00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.020 Troméon and Juliet resetted Troma. 00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:49.460 It did. 00:27:50.340 --> 00:27:53.000 And then it went on and then this is, 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.260 I wouldn't say that this is a reset. 00:27:55.840 --> 00:28:00.960 This is more just a self-acknowledgement, but having fun with it. 00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:01.900 Like we were talking about, 00:28:02.070 --> 00:28:03.000 you know, the age thing. 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:03.480 I don't know. 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:05.460 That's what I think. 00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:08.260 Both I'm really proud of. 00:28:08.260 --> 00:28:09.340 And what bookends, 00:28:09.520 --> 00:28:10.640 oh my god. 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.860 What bookends! 00:28:13.500 --> 00:28:13.820 Incredible. 00:28:14.300 --> 00:28:15.520 Just seeing you in that, 00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.340 it's just super cool to see. 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.900 And just like kind of knowing your journey through Tromaville and seeing, 00:28:24.620 --> 00:28:25.580 it just feels 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.300 like a feather in everybody's cap. 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:28.900 It's so cool. 00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:30.140 Yeah. 00:28:30.580 --> 00:28:32.280 I would really agree. 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:34.640 100%. 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.820 Lots to be proud of, there are a lot. 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.500 And it seems like also, 00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:41.100 which is cool, 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:45.000 a lot of his movies that you're in 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.100 are finally starting to get their flowers, 00:28:47.320 --> 00:28:51.340 like "Terra Firma," and I just watched 00:28:51.460 --> 00:28:53.380 the new documentary on that, that you're in, 00:28:54.300 --> 00:28:55.420 is getting its flowers, 00:28:55.800 --> 00:28:58.020 and how it just captured 00:28:58.340 --> 00:28:59.860 another slice of Tromaville, 00:29:00.260 --> 00:29:01.680 very different from "Tromeo" 00:29:01.840 --> 00:29:02.980 and "Positive Murder" 00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:04.340 in that sense. 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.760 definitely the more anarchic of his stuff, 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:08.720 but also, 00:29:10.540 --> 00:29:15.000 so it's just so neat to see that getting its respect as well. 00:29:16.420 --> 00:29:20.700 I love that so much because for a really long time 00:29:20.760 --> 00:29:23.500 and now Power's putting that to the test, 00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:24.440 I have to be honest, 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:27.980 but "Terra Firma" was my favorite Troma movie. 00:29:28.540 --> 00:29:29.320 And I would tell people, 00:29:29.560 --> 00:29:30.260 please understand, 00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:32.180 no, it's not because I was in it. 00:29:32.600 --> 00:29:34.440 just pound for pound, 00:29:34.760 --> 00:29:38.240 second for second worth of comedy. 00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:41.100 It's just like endless. 00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:50.700 Like it's just eye candy of jokes and gags and lots of story and lots of 00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:51.200 everything. 00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:56.820 And it just kind of captured that whole 90s punk aesthetic and vibe. 00:29:57.320 --> 00:30:02.580 And it had the real people in it. Like not just people from the Luna Chicks and 00:30:02.580 --> 00:30:05.680 Toilet Boys that had real people, 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.380 like East Village Underground artists, all had roles 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:10.700 in it. 00:30:10.780 --> 00:30:12.340 It was so authentic. 00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:15.040 And it was epic in scope. 00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:17.680 There was just a cast of thousands. 00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:18.920 I mean, really. 00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:23.840 You had some people that were within a year or two were also in a John Waters movie. 00:30:24.040 --> 00:30:27.000 And so it was just this 90s thing. 00:30:27.520 --> 00:30:30.820 And behind the scenes were just as insane. 00:30:31.700 --> 00:30:36.640 And yet somehow it did not stifle this whatsoever. 00:30:36.770 --> 00:30:42.240 If anything, it sort of gave it another sort of level of sheen, 00:30:42.560 --> 00:30:43.120 if you will. 00:30:43.780 --> 00:30:44.060 Right. 00:30:44.380 --> 00:30:44.680 Exactly. 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:49.140 It's one of the few times where total anarchy, 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:54.760 total anarchy behind the scenes fed into and 00:30:55.040 --> 00:30:58.260 flavored and gave to the project, I found. 00:30:58.820 --> 00:31:07.680 I love movies like Terra Firma where it is a time capsule of not only a time but it's 00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:12.760 a time capsule of Troma at that time and it's a time capsule of New York City at that 00:31:12.840 --> 00:31:19.740 time with the actual people who all were doing that stuff anyways but it's all captured on 00:31:19.760 --> 00:31:24.780 film like Troma has Vegas in space which is a time capsule of the drag scene in San 00:31:24.580 --> 00:31:26.520 Francisco of that time. 00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:31.660 Terra Firma is the underground weirdo scene of New York City at that time. 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.340 And it's just so cool to see. 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:38.060 And that's something I didn't realize until watching the newer documentary is 00:31:38.060 --> 00:31:43.840 how many of the people were just walking in from doing this all the time and 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.520 essentially playing a lot of themselves on camera, which is just just neat to 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:48.820 see. 00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:50.420 Yes, 00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:51.320 I could. 00:31:51.320 --> 00:31:52.320 I couldn't agree more. 00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:54.080 and I give a lot of that credit. 00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:58.040 Lloyd Kaufman has a massive talent 00:31:58.660 --> 00:32:00.720 for knowing how to choose people. 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.040 So when he chose to have his lead actor, Will Keenan, 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.080 be his right hand man on this again, 00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:11.540 another masterful decision. 00:32:11.900 --> 00:32:16.900 Why? Because Will Keenan was the conduit 00:32:17.560 --> 00:32:18.740 to these people, 00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:20.440 knew these people, 00:32:21.560 --> 00:32:24.400 was able to bring a lot of them on board. 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.480 And so he has to be credited with that. 00:32:30.040 --> 00:32:30.200 And 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:37.700 so just how Lloyd teams up when it goes, it has that certain magic, if you will, that 00:32:37.820 --> 00:32:40.180 certain click that was meant to be. 00:32:40.820 --> 00:32:42.280 That's what comes of it. 00:32:43.120 --> 00:32:45.520 And that's the perfect example. 00:32:46.560 --> 00:32:48.760 Like it happened on Tromeo and Juliet with James Gunn. 00:32:48.760 --> 00:32:51.940 It happened on Terra Firma with Will Keenan, 00:32:52.520 --> 00:32:54.680 meaning his right hand person was, 00:32:55.060 --> 00:32:55.480 boom, 00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:55.960 the 00:32:56.080 --> 00:32:58.460 perfect person at the perfect time. 00:32:58.900 --> 00:33:06.620 Even still, like when you think of like Tromeo and Terra Firma and all of that, 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:07.520 everybody 00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:08.780 gets a chance to shine. 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:11.320 And in all of those movies, 00:33:11.540 --> 00:33:13.400 you were very noticeable, 00:33:13.600 --> 00:33:15.240 but also very different, 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:16.500 a very 00:33:16.580 --> 00:33:22.240 different character in all of those movies where I think that's something that that you 00:33:22.340 --> 00:33:25.780 should definitely get your flowers for because not. 00:33:27.460 --> 00:33:28.540 It's easy, I think, 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:33.020 to write people off with low budget films like, 00:33:33.310 --> 00:33:33.900 oh, you're just, 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:34.560 you 00:33:34.560 --> 00:33:36.340 know, doing the same thing over and over. 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.160 you're very different personality and character 00:33:40.540 --> 00:33:43.320 and believable and every single one of these things 00:33:43.320 --> 00:33:44.740 is a very different person 00:33:45.320 --> 00:33:47.600 where you forget you're watching Debbie Rochon, 00:33:48.020 --> 00:33:52.620 you're transported into the character of Ness or Christine. 00:33:52.730 --> 00:33:52.900 Mm-hmm. 00:33:52.900 --> 00:33:53.040 Yeah, 00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:54.020 so it's- 00:33:54.060 --> 00:33:58.580 And I appreciate that a lot because when Time Out magazine, 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.800 when Tara Firmer came out and Time Out magazine 00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:05.620 did an article on it, 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.560 I think it was Maitland McDonough, 00:34:09.290 --> 00:34:12.200 if I'm saying her last name properly, I believe so, 00:34:12.649 --> 00:34:17.480 who also wrote for Fangoria, by the way, and a whole bunch of very highly esteemed places. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:19.240 And she reviewed it, 00:34:19.820 --> 00:34:23.040 and it was the most scathing, 00:34:23.700 --> 00:34:24.620 horrifying, 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:26.220 you can probably still find it 00:34:26.399 --> 00:34:26.639 online, 00:34:27.240 --> 00:34:30.399 said like really horrible, 00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:35.120 like I think the fact that it got personal was the 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.600 thing. It wasn't even about the movie. 00:34:37.020 --> 00:34:37.940 And I bring it up 00:34:38.080 --> 00:34:39.440 because of what you said, right? 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:40.860 Because she was like, 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:41.500 you know, 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:41.940 bait, 00:34:42.100 --> 00:34:43.620 I'm paraphrasing, but you know, 00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:44.620 just look at her. 00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:45.060 She's a 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.260 bottom of the barrel scream queen. 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:48.560 And look at you know, 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:50.280 Lloyd with his you know, blah, blah, blah, 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:51.200 whatever she said. 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.919 And it was so bad that everybody in the office was like, 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:55.260 what 00:34:55.379 --> 00:34:57.180 next time I went there, they were kind of like, 00:34:58.580 --> 00:34:59.520 not not I 00:34:59.540 --> 00:35:02.440 don't say scared, but they felt so bad. 00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:04.180 And and to me, I was 00:35:04.120 --> 00:35:04.420 like, 00:35:05.020 --> 00:35:08.400 "I bet she didn't even get that I was doing a character. 00:35:09.160 --> 00:35:11.560 Like, I really feel like the way that she wrote about it. 00:35:11.620 --> 00:35:13.220 And that's why I bring it up to you." 00:35:13.220 --> 00:35:13.360 Like, 00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:15.820 thank God there's people today, 00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:17.280 all those years later, 00:35:17.660 --> 00:35:19.720 when there's other things to sort of compare it to, 00:35:20.180 --> 00:35:20.800 can understand 00:35:21.560 --> 00:35:23.300 that it is, in fact, a character. 00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:27.780 You know, there is actually really bimbo characters 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.300 that aren't bimbo actresses, right? 00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:32.380 And when Lloyd said, 00:35:33.020 --> 00:35:33.140 well, 00:35:34.060 --> 00:35:35.400 gave that role to me, he's like, 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.980 OK, so this is just a conglomerate, 00:35:39.570 --> 00:35:40.180 if you will, 00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:45.800 of like all the crazy actresses I've ever worked with. So that's like sort of for me, 00:35:45.980 --> 00:35:48.580 that's like the invitation to just go, 00:35:49.120 --> 00:35:49.200 OK, 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.500 I get it. I understand what that is. Yeah. 00:35:52.340 --> 00:35:53.120 Go nuts. 00:35:53.580 --> 00:35:53.960 But yeah, 00:35:54.200 --> 00:35:56.980 so I mean, I'm not underlying what you're saying with a negative, 00:35:57.200 --> 00:35:57.820 but I'm sort of 00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:58.120 saying, 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:03.500 I appreciate that we've come this far around and that we could talk 00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:07.720 about it this way and it not be, you know, somebody who's just looking at, 00:36:08.060 --> 00:36:08.460 uh, 00:36:08.620 --> 00:36:11.520 just assuming that that's also the person. 00:36:12.220 --> 00:36:12.860 Which is funny. 00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:14.280 I feel like with, 00:36:14.780 --> 00:36:17.260 you know, the big budget Hollywood blockbusters, 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:17.940 like 00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:19.900 nobody's like, oh, well, you know, 00:36:20.060 --> 00:36:20.420 that's, 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:21.560 that's how, 00:36:21.740 --> 00:36:22.020 uh, 00:36:22.240 --> 00:36:22.820 you know, Emma 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.300 Stone is in real life, 00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:28.000 like not her characters, but for underground movies, 00:36:28.290 --> 00:36:29.900 people like, oh, that's that, 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.720 you know, that's Debbie Rochon, 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:32.700 exactly how she 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.220 is in, 00:36:33.620 --> 00:36:34.640 in Terror Firmer, 00:36:34.830 --> 00:36:40.880 and it's like, no, like she's an actress and you're, 00:36:41.240 --> 00:36:43.880 I guess that speaks volumes to how good you do. 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:45.640 Yeah. 00:36:45.740 --> 00:36:45.880 Yeah. 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:46.940 It has to be, 00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:50.160 I mean, it's gotta be something like that because yeah. 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:51.020 Yeah. 00:36:51.160 --> 00:36:53.240 It's yeah, it's been a wild ride boy. 00:36:53.410 --> 00:36:57.120 What a and what an amazing bringing it all to power. 00:36:57.310 --> 00:37:01.020 I feel like it's all been going there 00:37:01.120 --> 00:37:03.620 and I can't wait to people see it. 00:37:03.620 --> 00:37:04.900 So we could talk about that. 00:37:05.180 --> 00:37:05.580 I know. 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:09.580 I went once it's out, we'll have to get a bunch of people 00:37:09.700 --> 00:37:12.680 around and do a round table and I'll talk about it. 00:37:13.580 --> 00:37:15.000 Yes, absolutely true. 00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:15.440 Yep. 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.240 Also just kind of pivoting a bit 00:37:19.240 --> 00:37:21.040 because this is our April Fool's episode, 00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:25.880 I wanna know what are some of the craziest things 00:37:25.940 --> 00:37:27.840 you've ever seen happen on a Troma set? 00:37:28.420 --> 00:37:30.120 And I know there's stories out there 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.980 that aren't in the documentaries 00:37:32.580 --> 00:37:35.000 or that you've walked through the office 00:37:35.040 --> 00:37:38.160 and here's something random and silly or crazy 00:37:38.240 --> 00:37:41.620 that you've seen that just people should hear 00:37:41.720 --> 00:37:43.020 'cause it's funny. 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:45.240 Well, 00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:49.420 there is one that I could say about Lemmy. 00:37:49.940 --> 00:37:50.240 Yes. 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:56.140 Because he's I think I say it in the new vinegar syndrome release. 00:37:56.600 --> 00:37:59.140 So it's not like breaking news or anything, 00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:01.880 but he's such a character. 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:03.520 He's such a good man. 00:38:03.620 --> 00:38:07.720 Like there's so many great stories about him that I could see something like this. 00:38:07.720 --> 00:38:09.240 And it would actually be funny. 00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:11.840 And it's not derogatory whatsoever, 00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:14.820 considering the amount of people in his 00:38:14.820 --> 00:38:15.920 career that he's helped. 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:17.740 So I could say something like this. 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.060 He said basically, 00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:22.060 I can't remember 00:38:22.120 --> 00:38:23.260 if it was James, 00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:28.540 it was probably James that wanted to get Lemmy for the Tromeo, 00:38:28.740 --> 00:38:28.940 which 00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:33.000 was Lemmy's first of many appearances in Troma movies. 00:38:34.600 --> 00:38:36.480 And so he did the Tromeo and Juliet 00:38:36.680 --> 00:38:40.300 narrator and then they asked him to come back for Tara Firmer. 00:38:41.260 --> 00:38:44.180 So I remember after shooting 00:38:44.180 --> 00:38:48.860 a long day, one of the PAs came up and he said, 00:38:50.580 --> 00:38:52.460 "Lemmy's coming in from the airport 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:54.100 like tonight, 00:38:54.460 --> 00:38:55.220 like right now, 00:38:55.680 --> 00:38:59.700 but he's only going to get in the limo if there's like chicks 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:00.340 and drugs. 00:39:01.680 --> 00:39:05.420 So I'm just trying to find somebody, you don't have to do anything, 00:39:05.640 --> 00:39:06.020 you don't have 00:39:06.020 --> 00:39:09.000 to do the drugs or him or like whatever, 00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:14.160 just physically so that it looks like there's people 00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:16.460 And I was like, 00:39:17.720 --> 00:39:18.180 I know, 00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:19.260 so exhausted. I was like, 00:39:19.420 --> 00:39:19.920 no, 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:22.260 as I was just really the concept 00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:25.640 I was just like, that's really uncomfortable. 00:39:26.520 --> 00:39:27.720 I wasn't judging it, 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:28.440 mind you. 00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:29.100 But at the 00:39:29.180 --> 00:39:30.320 same time, I was just like, 00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:31.920 no, 00:39:32.220 --> 00:39:34.320 because I didn't know him personally. 00:39:34.620 --> 00:39:36.160 Right. So I couldn't 00:39:36.240 --> 00:39:38.080 have made that decision, 00:39:38.600 --> 00:39:41.180 which turned turned out everything was like, 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.480 great and fine and 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.100 no problem with whatever happened, like whoever went and all this kind of stuff. 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.540 But that's what he that's how he was going to get into a limo and come to 00:39:52.620 --> 00:39:53.220 Tromaville. 00:39:53.500 --> 00:39:57.540 And that was the only way he was going to get in a limo is if these 00:39:57.600 --> 00:39:58.720 elements were in place. 00:39:59.310 --> 00:39:59.440 Now, 00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:02.580 that makes him sound like a crazy man and not a 00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:03.980 nice man. But in fact, 00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:07.880 if you know Lemmy, know stories of Lemmy or hear anybody 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:08.720 talk about him, 00:40:09.240 --> 00:40:12.140 who he's changed their life through helping them. 00:40:13.600 --> 00:40:14.460 You would be like, 00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:16.680 that's just him having fun, 00:40:17.080 --> 00:40:19.740 like having a laugh on or having 00:40:20.040 --> 00:40:20.260 whatever, 00:40:21.180 --> 00:40:26.840 you know, because he's not that the sleazy guy that comes across to be 00:40:27.160 --> 00:40:31.080 you know, that Lemmy is a great guy that should always be honored. 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:33.240 And amazing 00:40:33.240 --> 00:40:38.180 that he kept coming back to Tromaville to support Lloyd and the Tromites. 00:40:38.300 --> 00:40:38.600 You know, 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.420 he kept doing it. 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.940 But yeah, so that was that was I don't know why, 00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:49.180 but that kind of sticks out for me as a wild and crazy moment. 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:56.360 I think some of the stuff with Doug Sackman and Can 00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:58.880 was was really wild. 00:40:59.180 --> 00:41:02.080 I mean, we were just you know, you would see all of these, 00:41:02.080 --> 00:41:02.280 you know, 00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:05.820 galas and, you know, really expensive places and red 00:41:06.200 --> 00:41:07.440 carpets and stuff. And, 00:41:07.790 --> 00:41:09.900 you know, there we were with our, 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.640 our, you know, homemade signs that we made up in the, 00:41:12.940 --> 00:41:13.140 in the 00:41:13.220 --> 00:41:15.560 little room that we rented for, you know, 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.220 30 people to sleep in. 00:41:17.700 --> 00:41:18.140 And, 00:41:18.500 --> 00:41:22.680 um, so we have the signs made there and we go out there, 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.640 you know, we had spray paint, we'd be yelling and screaming 00:41:27.140 --> 00:41:30.440 and anything because, you know, we can't afford those big 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:35.560 posters that some of the companies had that, you know, you're driving down, 00:41:35.680 --> 00:41:37.940 you know, the the crescent there, 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:39.920 if I'm saying it right, it's been so long. 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.600 I can't remember how to say it right. 00:41:42.180 --> 00:41:43.320 But you know where I mean? 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.080 Yes, I mean, brag there and you're driving down, you see, you know, 00:41:47.220 --> 00:41:49.160 the beautiful posters were like, 00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:50.380 yeah, well, 00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.120 that's not going to happen. 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:52.860 So instead, 00:41:53.100 --> 00:41:54.400 when these people are driving down, 00:41:54.740 --> 00:41:55.340 we're going to, you know, 00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:56.500 entertain them a bit. 00:41:56.980 --> 00:41:59.700 So, I mean, that stuff was that was pretty wild. 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.260 and some people that I saw there, 00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.340 I didn't see anything with my eyes. 00:42:06.820 --> 00:42:09.860 But I would tell you that there was a lot of people, 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.120 not with Troma, 00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:14.400 but I knew from like various film projects or whatever, 00:42:15.080 --> 00:42:19.400 doing some like really like interesting meetups. 00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:20.740 We'll just leave it at that. 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.900 I mean, that that's kind of like and it's funny for them 00:42:25.820 --> 00:42:35.560 to sort of tag Trome as bad guys when in fact the debauchery level is off the hook out there. 00:42:36.140 --> 00:42:41.980 And then you also have some really beautiful things going on as well, but the debauchery 00:42:42.080 --> 00:42:43.540 is right in your face. 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:45.040 It's crazy. 00:42:46.600 --> 00:42:50.960 I don't have a really great April Fool's story, 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:51.779 but 00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:55.120 just like a lot of memories like that, like stuff that you would never see 00:42:55.740 --> 00:42:58.180 with a group of people that were their whole, 00:42:58.400 --> 00:42:59.540 you know, they're a production 00:42:59.740 --> 00:43:04.300 company and so they want to put off certain errors to be taken seriously. 00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:06.040 We were always the opposite. 00:43:06.060 --> 00:43:09.920 And I was so way more comfortable with that because of that. 00:43:10.740 --> 00:43:14.160 Not because you're not, you don't have to try or work hard, 00:43:14.520 --> 00:43:15.540 but because that 00:43:15.540 --> 00:43:17.700 was sort of where I came out of, you know, 00:43:18.020 --> 00:43:21.800 the true underground punk thing and, 00:43:22.130 --> 00:43:22.380 you know, 00:43:22.540 --> 00:43:28.480 everything from being a homeless teen, all that stuff. So it seemed like a natural struggle, 00:43:28.740 --> 00:43:29.320 if you will. 00:43:30.080 --> 00:43:37.180 I was more relating to the underdog by far and still creating art than, 00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:39.140 you know, 00:43:39.260 --> 00:43:44.520 doing-- I was more comfortable-- let me just put it this way-- I was more comfortable, 00:43:45.180 --> 00:43:49.960 or not for doing insane stuff on film for the sake of art. 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.880 Then I was doing crazy, 00:43:53.200 --> 00:43:53.960 insane stuff 00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.800 behind the scenes with people to get ahead, 00:43:57.980 --> 00:43:59.780 which I never did ever. 00:44:00.660 --> 00:44:01.420 So that's why, 00:44:01.580 --> 00:44:03.560 you know, in some certain ways I didn't. 00:44:03.720 --> 00:44:06.040 And yet, you know, I'm very happy with what I've done. 00:44:06.060 --> 00:44:07.480 So it's not even a complaint. 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.220 It's just the nature of the business, right? 00:44:11.140 --> 00:44:11.900 Very true. 00:44:12.060 --> 00:44:17.160 And I think on that is a good segue into the main part. 00:44:18.040 --> 00:44:19.740 The most insane, 00:44:21.190 --> 00:44:25.960 crazy thing ever committed to mini DV tape. 00:44:26.780 --> 00:44:27.900 I say so annoyed, 00:44:28.120 --> 00:44:28.660 but it was, 00:44:29.140 --> 00:44:31.360 it's definitely a mini DV tape, 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:32.980 Doggie Tails. 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.420 And for those out there driving, 00:44:35.780 --> 00:44:38.240 please don't watch along, but you could listen along. 00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:40.440 If you're at home, 00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:42.300 cue up your DVD player. 00:44:42.380 --> 00:44:46.840 We'll also have this on our channels synced up with the film as well. 00:44:47.120 --> 00:44:47.680 Um, 00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:52.120 so I'm going to give people a countdown and then we can start the film 00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:53.360 and, 00:44:53.740 --> 00:44:54.900 and all that good stuff. 00:44:55.300 --> 00:44:56.000 Three, 00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:57.380 two, 00:44:58.060 --> 00:44:58.480 one. 00:44:59.780 --> 00:45:04.060 Greetings TromaVille and I'm Zack Beins with the Talkin' Troma podcast. 00:45:04.660 --> 00:45:09.120 Alongside of me is legendary icon Debbie Rochon here. 00:45:09.220 --> 00:45:12.460 for the commentary of Doggie Tails. 00:45:13.580 --> 00:45:14.280 Who knew? 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.940 But it has been demanded that we do this, so here we are. 00:45:20.020 --> 00:45:22.780 This might be one of the most important films 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.600 in Troma's library, Doggie Tails, 00:45:26.040 --> 00:45:26.580 volume one, 00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:27.980 Lucky's First Sleepover. 00:45:30.060 --> 00:45:31.560 Was there a volume two? 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.180 I don't even know if they ever planned a volume two. 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:36.480 (laughing) 00:45:38.140 --> 00:45:40.480 I'm sure that they hoped for a volume two, 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:41.820 I guarantee you. 00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:45.660 I think the problem was they marketed the film 00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:49.620 more towards children instead of stone teenagers 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:51.460 who love dogs. 00:45:52.490 --> 00:45:52.660 (laughs) 00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:53.740 Right, 00:45:54.200 --> 00:45:54.500 exactly, 00:45:54.680 --> 00:45:54.800 yeah, 00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:55.300 exactly, 00:45:55.540 --> 00:45:55.820 exactly. 00:45:56.050 --> 00:45:58.800 I think it was a great idea, 00:45:59.380 --> 00:46:02.700 and who knew that Tromavelle would come out 00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:04.080 with a family film? 00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:07.900 Which here we are, this is it. 00:46:10.220 --> 00:46:10.980 And oh, 00:46:11.590 --> 00:46:13.300 should we just jump into the story? 00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:14.920 Yeah, let's just jump right in. 00:46:15.720 --> 00:46:16.060 Real quick, 00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.260 that's Academy Award nominee Charlotte Kaufman 00:46:19.860 --> 00:46:21.740 alongside of President of Trump Entertainment, 00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:22.580 Lloyd Kaufman. 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:25.760 Isn't that cute? 00:46:26.080 --> 00:46:26.800 Look at that, 00:46:27.180 --> 00:46:27.620 look at that. 00:46:28.060 --> 00:46:28.380 Now, 00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:32.140 that they actually scripted and filmed, 00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:34.120 But the rest of it, 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.560 they literally went to Central Park 00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:39.340 with a couple of like, you know, 00:46:40.140 --> 00:46:41.660 DV cams, small ones, 00:46:42.040 --> 00:46:43.480 and filmed random people 00:46:43.600 --> 00:46:47.740 with their dogs with nothing particular going on 00:46:47.830 --> 00:46:50.000 other than the dogs just doing what they would do 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:51.460 in the park anyway. 00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:55.160 And took hours and hours of that footage 00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:58.960 and just like made this story work. 00:46:59.570 --> 00:47:01.860 I kind of forced it together, this footage. 00:47:02.200 --> 00:47:04.100 of just like random, 00:47:04.290 --> 00:47:05.140 do you know what I'm saying? 00:47:05.240 --> 00:47:06.160 Like there was no script. 00:47:06.570 --> 00:47:09.460 They just shot dogs in the park for many hours. 00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:11.220 I for one am shocked actually. 00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:14.660 I'm first learning there was no script to "Doggie Tails," 00:47:14.720 --> 00:47:15.660 Lucky's first sleepover. 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:17.140 Right. 00:47:18.060 --> 00:47:18.580 (both laughing) 00:47:20.560 --> 00:47:21.560 Who needed one? 00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:22.520 I don't know. 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:25.160 I find it fascinating that, 00:47:25.730 --> 00:47:26.000 you know, 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:27.980 you could take that much footage and just, 00:47:28.410 --> 00:47:28.760 you know, 00:47:29.200 --> 00:47:32.880 make it seem like it kind of sort of makes sense. 00:47:33.430 --> 00:47:36.820 And it's the beauty of the fact that it kind of doesn't 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.460 in a way, like it doesn't go from a close up 00:47:39.600 --> 00:47:42.500 from this guy and he's gonna do that, 00:47:42.500 --> 00:47:44.760 but it was all put together visually. 00:47:45.340 --> 00:47:46.320 And then afterwards, 00:47:47.060 --> 00:47:48.580 okay, we're gonna figure out a story 00:47:48.620 --> 00:47:49.500 from the footage. 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.260 So how did you become involved 00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:54.980 in the Doggie Tails project? 00:47:56.580 --> 00:47:56.880 Well, 00:47:57.240 --> 00:48:01.960 you know, it's one of those things that as the artists call, 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.920 you must answer the call to the art. 00:48:05.520 --> 00:48:09.480 And the art this time was, I actually did two voices, 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:14.540 one for Roxy and one for another dog. 00:48:14.540 --> 00:48:18.720 I can't remember. I think they either cut the whole 00:48:19.460 --> 00:48:20.300 character out, 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.680 meaning the dog, out of the scenes. 00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:24.240 He really wasn't doing anything. 00:48:25.080 --> 00:48:28.820 Or I did a crappy job. I don't know. 00:48:29.060 --> 00:48:29.500 Who knows? 00:48:29.660 --> 00:48:32.020 But I'm one voice and I was going to be two. 00:48:32.900 --> 00:48:35.360 And I think it was Gabe Friedman or the director, 00:48:35.520 --> 00:48:36.020 Paul, 00:48:37.680 --> 00:48:38.160 said, 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.560 called me up, "Hey, come on down to Troma and do the 00:48:42.140 --> 00:48:44.940 the voice for one of the characters, 00:48:46.200 --> 00:48:47.820 the characters in the movie." 00:48:48.100 --> 00:48:50.700 And there was just like a whole bunch of lines. 00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:54.060 and I did them and that was it. 00:48:54.120 --> 00:48:54.760 And I thought, 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.860 wow, this must have been really ambitious, 00:48:58.430 --> 00:48:58.660 you know, 00:48:58.820 --> 00:49:02.300 getting all this footage together of these trained dogs. 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:03.600 I hadn't seen anything yet. 00:49:03.870 --> 00:49:04.420 They were like, 00:49:05.120 --> 00:49:05.740 trained dogs. 00:49:05.830 --> 00:49:07.240 We just went to Central Park, 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.780 shot a bunch of dogs just milling about 00:49:10.560 --> 00:49:11.580 and, you know, 00:49:12.100 --> 00:49:13.460 clobbered something together. 00:49:13.510 --> 00:49:14.040 And I was like, 00:49:14.580 --> 00:49:14.660 OK, 00:49:15.080 --> 00:49:15.480 cool. 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:15.860 Like, 00:49:16.020 --> 00:49:17.480 right. Like you see this part here. 00:49:18.100 --> 00:49:20.940 But nobody's nobody's telling anybody what to do. 00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:21.820 They're just 00:49:22.040 --> 00:49:22.740 dogs running. 00:49:27.120 --> 00:49:28.440 None of them are trained. 00:49:29.860 --> 00:49:31.620 No, no, he's digging. 00:49:31.860 --> 00:49:32.800 You know what I mean? Like that. 00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:33.620 This is 00:49:33.740 --> 00:49:38.740 just if I went and took footage of something, that's what this 00:49:38.780 --> 00:49:40.100 is. And so that's where, 00:49:40.530 --> 00:49:40.800 you know, 00:49:41.020 --> 00:49:42.300 they did do this stuff 00:49:42.300 --> 00:49:46.300 with Lloyd and his family, with some dogs at the vet. 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.220 I like to run. 00:49:47.860 --> 00:49:48.260 But yeah, 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:48.760 I mean, 00:49:49.080 --> 00:49:49.780 but look at the, 00:49:49.940 --> 00:49:53.100 look at the name value of the people doing voices in this. 00:49:53.140 --> 00:49:53.880 This is, 00:49:54.030 --> 00:49:55.940 and this isn't me being facetious. 00:49:56.060 --> 00:50:00.340 This has probably some of the biggest star power 00:50:00.740 --> 00:50:04.200 of any Troma movie that exists in their entire library. 00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:07.620 Let's just run it down real quick. 00:50:07.780 --> 00:50:10.520 So there's you doing the voice of Roxy. 00:50:11.300 --> 00:50:13.760 There is Academy Award nominee, 00:50:13.980 --> 00:50:14.840 Charlotte Kaufman, 00:50:15.260 --> 00:50:16.640 president of Trome Entertainment, 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:17.480 Lloyd Kaufman, 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:19.300 you know, basically playing themselves. 00:50:19.780 --> 00:50:20.880 You have Jenna Fisher, 00:50:21.180 --> 00:50:22.020 star of "The Office" 00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:23.200 playing the puppy dog, 00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:23.660 Kelsey, 00:50:24.260 --> 00:50:26.920 and the head of DC Films, 00:50:27.540 --> 00:50:28.820 James Gunn, 00:50:29.160 --> 00:50:29.860 playing Riley. 00:50:30.180 --> 00:50:30.320 Like, 00:50:30.580 --> 00:50:34.040 it is absolutely insane that all of you came together 00:50:35.200 --> 00:50:36.500 for Doggie Tails, 00:50:36.680 --> 00:50:37.560 like he's for sleepover. 00:50:38.600 --> 00:50:41.180 Well, I mean, that's the whole thing. 00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:41.860 isn't it? Just, 00:50:42.340 --> 00:50:46.680 you know, people assisting others in, you know, 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:47.920 making it happen. 00:50:48.380 --> 00:50:51.420 And, you know, back then when people had time to 00:50:51.560 --> 00:50:54.300 do that, they may have had a lot going on, but they had the time 00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:54.860 to help. 00:50:55.020 --> 00:50:55.540 They did. 00:50:55.980 --> 00:50:57.560 So that says a lot about the people, 00:50:58.280 --> 00:50:58.360 really, 00:50:58.600 --> 00:50:58.880 doesn't it? 00:50:59.160 --> 00:50:59.360 And, 00:50:59.520 --> 00:51:02.040 you know, Gabe Friedman was a big, 00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:03.800 not just 00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:04.720 Paul, the director, 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.560 but Gabe Friedman had like a lot to do 00:51:07.560 --> 00:51:10.600 with, obviously he was the guy stuck with all the footage. 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:12.400 (laughing) 00:51:13.420 --> 00:51:15.140 There's gotta be a story in here somewhere. 00:51:15.250 --> 00:51:15.540 I mean, 00:51:16.210 --> 00:51:17.560 he would be another great guy 00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:20.620 to talk about just how much footage he had to go through 00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:27.420 to clobber together or paw together a story with this. 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:28.820 Fetching all that extra footage. 00:51:30.460 --> 00:51:31.340 Yeah, where are the extras? 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:36.280 Where are the deleted scenes of more dogs running? 00:51:36.520 --> 00:51:37.260 (laughing) 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.800 There's probably hours of DV tape in the Troma archives 00:51:42.240 --> 00:51:45.500 of these dogs just running around in the park. 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:46.620 Yeah, 00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:47.660 like look at them. 00:51:48.540 --> 00:51:50.060 There was nobody was planning, 00:51:50.300 --> 00:51:51.620 okay, get the black and white dog 00:51:51.720 --> 00:51:55.100 to carry that ball in a sack over to the, you know, 00:51:55.600 --> 00:51:57.000 the thing over there in the buckets. 00:51:57.680 --> 00:51:58.560 No, it was just like, 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:00.260 okay, just follow the dog. 00:52:00.940 --> 00:52:01.260 We'll just, 00:52:01.660 --> 00:52:02.280 whatever happens, 00:52:02.560 --> 00:52:03.580 we'll figure it out later. 00:52:05.120 --> 00:52:06.140 That's pretty genius. 00:52:06.540 --> 00:52:09.340 It's right up there with my idea 00:52:10.300 --> 00:52:12.060 how I think it would be so cool 00:52:12.180 --> 00:52:15.300 to do a commentary track of a Yule log. 00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:18.220 But I mean it, 00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:18.500 like, 00:52:19.060 --> 00:52:20.460 just like the guy, you know, 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:21.760 talking or the woman, like, 00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:22.640 whomever's doing it, 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.740 oh, this is the part where I went in with the poker 00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:27.760 and I had to, like, get the flames going 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.020 and I had to put one log in, 00:52:30.120 --> 00:52:31.860 but it had to be a certain way, like, 00:52:32.580 --> 00:52:32.840 you know, 00:52:33.180 --> 00:52:34.860 you can only get the hand in so far. 00:52:35.100 --> 00:52:39.640 I mean, I really thought that would be a fun and funny thing to do. 00:52:40.640 --> 00:52:41.920 But this is right up there, though. 00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:44.880 Just go to sleep or play with your dog. 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.660 I don't think there's many audio commentaries out there 00:52:49.640 --> 00:52:52.000 with renowned actresses over 00:52:53.040 --> 00:52:54.780 almost a home video of dogs. 00:52:55.680 --> 00:53:00.420 So I think that's really cool that this is happening 00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:03.460 and it's a part of cinema history now. 00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:07.540 No, I really think, and I, 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:08.200 you know, 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.300 again, it's probably a Lloyd question or somebody 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:11.620 else, 00:53:11.900 --> 00:53:16.760 but I think it did surprisingly really well. 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:18.020 And then, 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.020 I don't know why it ended. 00:53:20.780 --> 00:53:28.740 I want to say that there was hopes to do like a series for like family films. 00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:32.540 Like there would be a branch of Troma 00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:36.860 making family type films and this was the beginning. 00:53:37.700 --> 00:53:40.200 They even made a new logo at the beginning 00:53:40.340 --> 00:53:42.260 with Toxie inside the paw print, 00:53:42.980 --> 00:53:43.920 the family fun. 00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:46.180 And I remember when this first came out, 00:53:46.190 --> 00:53:47.940 I thought that was such a great idea 00:53:48.250 --> 00:53:51.140 to introduce a younger generation into Troma movies. 00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:52.160 Like maybe they could have put 00:53:52.460 --> 00:53:53.960 the Toxic Crusaders stuff out. 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:54.840 Or even, 00:53:55.300 --> 00:53:56.620 I know there's filmmakers out there 00:53:56.560 --> 00:54:00.640 who make kids' movies that are looking for distribution. 00:54:01.220 --> 00:54:03.780 And it would have been a cool kind of launching point 00:54:03.860 --> 00:54:04.520 for that, I thought, 00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:04.860 but. 00:54:06.020 --> 00:54:06.420 Yeah, 00:54:07.140 --> 00:54:08.820 I truly believe, 00:54:08.980 --> 00:54:09.580 and again, 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:11.680 they could tell me I'm wrong, 00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.060 but at the time when I was there doing the voice 00:54:14.120 --> 00:54:15.920 and all this stuff, everybody was talking about it, 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.200 that this was the beginning. 00:54:18.560 --> 00:54:19.560 This was the beginning, 00:54:20.120 --> 00:54:22.000 but it turned out it was the beginning and the end. 00:54:22.520 --> 00:54:23.180 Volume one. 00:54:24.060 --> 00:54:24.600 And you know, 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.620 it's funny because Doggie Tails, 00:54:27.820 --> 00:54:29.600 Lucky's first sleepover, 00:54:29.640 --> 00:54:30.780 even the name Lucky, 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.780 people would ask me who had never seen it. 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.280 Is that like a porn movie? 00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:38.500 What is that? 00:54:39.040 --> 00:54:39.520 Lucky's, 00:54:39.740 --> 00:54:41.260 Lucky's first sleepover? 00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:42.100 No, 00:54:42.580 --> 00:54:45.940 it is straight up children's film, 00:54:46.700 --> 00:54:51.460 like straight up family movie with all these great 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:56.920 people in there and they wouldn't be voicing something like weird and crazy. 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.160 But yeah, 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:00.800 so I, 00:55:01.300 --> 00:55:01.480 you know, 00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:06.020 I think it's just good fun and look at these good sports putting treats on, 00:55:06.180 --> 00:55:10.980 on cement blocks for the filmmaker who's probably saying, 00:55:11.140 --> 00:55:12.920 I just need some fun footage. 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:18.340 I'm going to go chase a dog around with some, it looks like green Tootsie rolls. 00:55:21.200 --> 00:55:23.660 throw them and they'll surely run. 00:55:23.900 --> 00:55:24.920 They'll surely run. 00:55:26.620 --> 00:55:26.900 But 00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:27.460 yeah, 00:55:27.640 --> 00:55:28.180 I think, 00:55:29.580 --> 00:55:29.720 yeah, 00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:34.060 Gabe Friedman probably spent many a 00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:36.840 month putting something together. 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.720 But then you have the 00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:43.720 scenes that sort of like bring it all together at the vet with 00:55:43.820 --> 00:55:46.040 Lloyd and his family. So I think that was, 00:55:46.420 --> 00:55:47.260 at the end of the day, 00:55:47.520 --> 00:55:51.160 just the wild footage of the park from the park. 00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.640 Just you had to have a little bit more. 00:55:54.380 --> 00:55:54.780 Who knew? 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:56.240 You need more, 00:55:56.600 --> 00:55:57.280 more, uh, 00:55:57.900 --> 00:55:59.900 more pound for your pups in, uh, 00:56:01.140 --> 00:56:01.820 in this movie. 00:56:02.680 --> 00:56:03.580 But I will say, 00:56:03.940 --> 00:56:04.540 how about this? 00:56:05.100 --> 00:56:05.300 What, 00:56:05.640 --> 00:56:06.480 here's a question for you. 00:56:06.540 --> 00:56:08.280 Cause I don't actually know the answer. 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.000 When was the first, 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.160 you know how for the, 00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:11.580 um, 00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:13.120 uh, 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.180 I think it's football where they have the, 00:56:16.820 --> 00:56:17.680 the puppy, 00:56:17.940 --> 00:56:18.720 Oh, the puppy bowl. 00:56:19.510 --> 00:56:21.720 The puppy bowl or the kitty bowl. 00:56:22.220 --> 00:56:23.860 What year did that start? 00:56:24.700 --> 00:56:26.020 I don't, I don't know. 00:56:26.020 --> 00:56:29.400 I feel like it might be about 10 years old-ish now. 00:56:29.560 --> 00:56:29.820 Okay. 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.640 So this was before that. 00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:34.520 And it's really the same thing. 00:56:34.830 --> 00:56:36.620 You just have like one set. 00:56:36.980 --> 00:56:38.040 These guys don't even have a set. 00:56:38.100 --> 00:56:40.840 They have a park and you just have a bunch of puppies 00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:41.700 and you say, go, 00:56:42.140 --> 00:56:42.960 aren't they cute? 00:56:43.140 --> 00:56:43.880 And that's really, 00:56:44.340 --> 00:56:45.880 you know, you maybe have some voiceover 00:56:46.080 --> 00:56:47.440 of refs or something, 00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:49.140 but that's it. 00:56:49.140 --> 00:56:51.100 And people love it and watch the whole thing. 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.100 This is basically a version of that, isn't it? 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.900 And I guess it's actually 2005 was the first Puppy Bowl. 00:56:58.060 --> 00:57:01.040 So right around the same time as this. 00:57:01.040 --> 00:57:01.780 (laughing) 00:57:01.780 --> 00:57:03.020 He stepped on my car. 00:57:03.160 --> 00:57:03.680 As this. 00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:04.780 He stole, 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.900 they stole the idea. 00:57:07.180 --> 00:57:08.520 This has a better soundtrack 00:57:08.900 --> 00:57:12.060 than any of the Puppy Bowls ever had. 00:57:12.540 --> 00:57:14.420 because I don't remember a single Puppy Bowl 00:57:14.520 --> 00:57:16.740 that you could sing along with. 00:57:16.900 --> 00:57:17.080 Right. 00:57:19.740 --> 00:57:22.360 Talk a little bit about Paul directing. 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.260 Did Paul direct you and your voice performances for this? 00:57:28.340 --> 00:57:28.680 Well, 00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:29.040 you know, 00:57:29.220 --> 00:57:31.540 Paul did a little bit of that. 00:57:31.620 --> 00:57:32.960 I mean, he wrote it. 00:57:34.180 --> 00:57:35.020 He was there. 00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:40.420 I think Gabe was a little bit of a stronger force 00:57:41.180 --> 00:57:43.060 as far as like trying to help people. 00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:45.680 Okay, it's this type of thing. 00:57:45.980 --> 00:57:46.860 Because keep in mind, 00:57:47.040 --> 00:57:47.320 I mean, 00:57:47.700 --> 00:57:49.880 we don't know what footage they have. 00:57:51.060 --> 00:57:52.040 Maybe they would say, 00:57:52.180 --> 00:57:54.520 "Okay, this is like a bassinet type of dog 00:57:54.580 --> 00:57:57.000 and it's walking around and these are the lines." 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.000 You don't even really visually know 00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:02.320 what is happening with the dog. 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:03.320 (laughing) 00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.840 What you're trying to like say for the dog. 00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:08.200 So, 00:58:08.460 --> 00:58:09.800 I mean, at least in my case, 00:58:10.020 --> 00:58:10.900 that's what happened. 00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.020 So I did the, 00:58:13.180 --> 00:58:14.720 like I said, the one character. 00:58:15.240 --> 00:58:16.340 And then he said, "Oh, 00:58:16.620 --> 00:58:18.060 do this other one." 00:58:18.160 --> 00:58:19.420 You know, she's like this, you know, 00:58:19.580 --> 00:58:23.320 real snappy Brooklyn type of character dog. 00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:26.480 And I did that as well, and it wasn't used, 00:58:26.680 --> 00:58:29.060 but I guess they had to like, you know, 00:58:29.620 --> 00:58:30.020 "Listen, 00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:31.860 if you're gonna be a professional, 00:58:31.980 --> 00:58:34.740 you have to learn how to get cut." 00:58:34.740 --> 00:58:37.020 And so that was, it was a hard lesson, 00:58:37.240 --> 00:58:37.580 Zack, 00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:38.520 hard. 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:40.640 But I took it on the chin. 00:58:41.620 --> 00:58:43.360 I have one voice in here, not two. 00:58:43.380 --> 00:58:44.780 Let's go back to Doggie Panic. 00:58:45.750 --> 00:58:49.280 I think I need to go track down that deleted scene. 00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.660 Because I thought we saw all the Doggie Tails 00:58:53.680 --> 00:58:56.900 there was to see, but knowing there's more, 00:58:57.860 --> 00:59:01.580 I feel like the fans and the world deserve 00:59:01.580 --> 00:59:05.660 to see the other puppy dog that you play in the film? 00:59:06.520 --> 00:59:06.780 Yeah, 00:59:07.100 --> 00:59:12.140 that would be both a Troma team at the office 00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:13.500 and Gabe Friedman, 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.300 because perhaps in his hard drive, 00:59:16.780 --> 00:59:18.000 it was deleted forever. 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:18.520 I mean, 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:19.960 who would keep, 00:59:20.660 --> 00:59:20.900 I mean, 00:59:21.050 --> 00:59:22.180 only he could tell you, 00:59:22.310 --> 00:59:24.060 oh, there's another song going on, I love it, 00:59:24.290 --> 00:59:25.360 but you could sing along. 00:59:27.560 --> 00:59:29.760 Only he would know what happened to that footage, 00:59:29.860 --> 00:59:31.720 whether he hit that delete, 00:59:31.820 --> 00:59:33.680 I'll never need this for anything, 00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:36.840 delete or if it actually exists somewhere. 00:59:38.580 --> 00:59:39.060 But yeah, 00:59:40.080 --> 00:59:40.660 holy cow. 00:59:41.300 --> 00:59:43.000 When it came out, I was just like, wow, 00:59:43.200 --> 00:59:43.640 this is, 00:59:45.020 --> 00:59:45.980 I'm telling you, 00:59:46.240 --> 00:59:48.100 it was supposed to be 00:59:48.340 --> 00:59:50.140 a new launch of something, 00:59:51.270 --> 00:59:52.760 a new area for Troma, 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.820 because keep in mind, 00:59:53.980 --> 00:59:56.000 Troma did like a golf movie, 00:59:56.560 --> 00:59:56.660 right? 00:59:56.780 --> 00:59:59.280 around the same time like an instructional video. 01:00:00.120 --> 01:00:00.300 Yeah, 01:00:01.220 --> 01:00:03.380 so there was some testing going on, 01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:04.420 you know, 01:00:04.600 --> 01:00:11.120 where's the sort of side journey that Troma could go on? Could it be sports? 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:12.360 Could it be 01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:15.320 dogs? 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.300 I don't know. I do think it is funny, 01:00:17.540 --> 01:00:18.360 like in all seriousness, 01:00:18.600 --> 01:00:20.520 this movie has got 01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:22.160 its cult following of, 01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:23.000 you know, 01:00:23.180 --> 01:00:24.820 Troma already is a cult following, 01:00:25.020 --> 01:00:26.140 but there's even a smaller 01:00:26.140 --> 01:00:32.060 sub subgroup of all of us that you know unironically love Doggie tails. 01:00:34.340 --> 01:00:34.900 And yeah, 01:00:35.120 --> 01:00:35.460 it's like, 01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:37.480 but which dog are you 01:00:39.260 --> 01:00:39.840 hoping for? 01:00:39.940 --> 01:00:43.620 I don't say hoping for, but rooting for you enjoy the most. 01:00:43.640 --> 01:00:45.440 I mean, you have a favorite at this point. 01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:50.300 I mean, you got watching the movie so many times you have to have somebody that 01:00:51.240 --> 01:00:53.380 I always am going to love a Roxy. 01:00:54.340 --> 01:00:54.860 Yeah. 01:00:56.700 --> 01:00:59.700 But Lucky is such a great protagonist 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:02.300 and you really feel for his adventure 01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:04.120 of being nervous going to the vet. 01:01:06.640 --> 01:01:09.280 And Gabe Friedman brought that character to life 01:01:09.500 --> 01:01:10.500 so well with the voice. 01:01:11.340 --> 01:01:12.260 Yes, he did. 01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:13.580 Yes, he did. 01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:16.640 Which is funny 'cause this is like 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:18.800 super deep trolling nerd lore, 01:01:19.060 --> 01:01:20.540 but the voice he does for Lucky, 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:22.500 you hear him do that voice 01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:24.620 as like just random background characters 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.440 in like "Terror Firm" and stuff. 01:01:26.450 --> 01:01:26.940 Like you'll hear, 01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:29.420 "Oh no, they got a knife!" 01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:30.340 And it's the same, 01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.080 so that was like the character 01:01:35.220 --> 01:01:38.140 who's always in the background of a random Troma scene 01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:40.960 now is finally front and center of - He's 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:41.780 front and center. 01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:43.640 He's like, 01:01:43.820 --> 01:01:47.940 it's almost like a South Park type of character, if you will. 01:01:48.220 --> 01:01:57.160 the vocal stylings of Gabe Breedman as Lucky and the plethora of characters 01:01:57.360 --> 01:01:59.160 throughout the Troma movies that he edited. 01:02:00.430 --> 01:02:02.240 I mean, you can't mistake it. 01:02:02.370 --> 01:02:05.500 He does that voice and and yeah. 01:02:07.420 --> 01:02:07.960 Look at this. 01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:12.980 The puggy's cute. 01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:19.040 And then also another editor from Troma, 01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:21.580 he did the voice of Patches in this. 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.320 But Sean McGrath and he also edited Terra Firmware and Citizen Toxy as well. 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.760 So it's really also just kind of like a slice of 01:02:32.560 --> 01:02:35.220 we are in between Troma films at the moment, 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.480 but we're making Doggie Tails. 01:02:38.140 --> 01:02:39.960 There was no downtime. 01:02:41.860 --> 01:02:43.340 They had, right, 01:02:43.540 --> 01:02:46.660 they had a bunch of footage and they were commissioned to, 01:02:47.260 --> 01:02:49.580 between them and Paul, they were commissioned to, 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:50.100 OK, 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:51.100 make a movie. 01:02:51.250 --> 01:02:55.020 But I do think Paul had a really good idea 01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.080 to do something like this, 01:02:58.520 --> 01:03:00.100 you know, for the kids 01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:01.180 so that people, 01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:04.940 there'd be like another avenue of like 01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:10.180 Troma movies for people who had like the even the Troma fans 01:03:10.180 --> 01:03:11.300 you were starting to have kids, 01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:13.800 surely they needed something besides, 01:03:14.540 --> 01:03:14.840 you know, 01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:16.480 even besides even the, 01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:18.060 the Crusaders, 01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:21.680 like something that was completely nonviolent for like little, little, 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:22.600 little kids. 01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:24.320 Um, and this was it. 01:03:24.790 --> 01:03:25.840 Well, my kids were, 01:03:26.200 --> 01:03:27.800 were like two and three. 01:03:28.170 --> 01:03:31.440 We would watch Doggie Tails together and they would love to sing the songs. 01:03:31.540 --> 01:03:31.600 And, 01:03:32.150 --> 01:03:32.300 um, 01:03:32.330 --> 01:03:35.880 I have video of them watching it and barking at the dogs on the screen, 01:03:36.460 --> 01:03:36.700 uh, 01:03:37.080 --> 01:03:38.000 when they were super little. 01:03:38.370 --> 01:03:40.040 And I w I, 01:03:40.040 --> 01:03:42.160 I was just super happy that I could share something 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:43.340 like this with them. 01:03:44.220 --> 01:03:47.200 And always hoping to be more in another one of the, 01:03:47.300 --> 01:03:49.180 ahead of the times type of thing. 01:03:49.180 --> 01:03:52.620 I feel like something like this would make a ton of money 01:03:52.740 --> 01:03:55.240 on YouTube and you could do like a, 01:03:55.640 --> 01:03:55.840 you know, 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.500 a weekly Doggie Tails series and people would, 01:04:00.020 --> 01:04:01.240 would be all about it now. 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.120 But back when this came out, 01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:03.460 you know, 01:04:03.560 --> 01:04:06.440 Troma being ahead of its time and way ahead of the buck. 01:04:08.680 --> 01:04:09.020 Yeah, 01:04:09.860 --> 01:04:10.840 exactly. I agree. 01:04:11.020 --> 01:04:15.740 And I'm so glad that it exists because it's one of those, 01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:19.660 this is going to sound really weird, 01:04:20.420 --> 01:04:23.640 but it's kind of like the story of a junkie movie 01:04:24.040 --> 01:04:26.200 where it's all actual footage 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.640 and then maybe a couple of scenes 01:04:29.100 --> 01:04:31.800 that were scripted to bring it together, 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:33.380 but it's really a documentary. 01:04:33.540 --> 01:04:35.160 It's not a narrative film, 01:04:35.560 --> 01:04:38.120 but it's kind of presented like a narrative film. 01:04:39.260 --> 01:04:40.080 Think about this, 01:04:41.070 --> 01:04:41.620 follow me, 01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:42.260 stay with me. 01:04:42.260 --> 01:04:42.860 I'm with ya. 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.320 "Story of a Junkie", "Doggie Tails", 01:04:46.340 --> 01:04:48.240 Lucky's first sleepover, 01:04:49.040 --> 01:04:50.360 have that in common. 01:04:51.160 --> 01:04:57.980 Maybe Lucky is a gringo's dog from another life. 01:04:59.180 --> 01:05:00.800 And I don't know, 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:03.020 but there should be, 01:05:03.120 --> 01:05:07.980 if there's not a mural of Lucky painted on a wall in the East Village. 01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:09.500 Yeah. 01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.680 Like right beside Joe Strummer. 01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:12.340 Yeah. 01:05:13.620 --> 01:05:14.180 Icons. 01:05:15.100 --> 01:05:15.880 I know you're right. 01:05:16.780 --> 01:05:18.160 Joe Strummer, know your rights. 01:05:18.860 --> 01:05:19.120 Lucky, 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:20.760 shake, shake, shake. 01:05:22.260 --> 01:05:23.980 You gotta shake it, shake it, shake it. 01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:26.960 Yeah. 01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:31.500 I would totally, I would absolutely love that. And just, yeah, 01:05:31.620 --> 01:05:33.320 just that little face part. 01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:34.180 Exactly. 01:05:36.619 --> 01:05:40.600 How much were you paid to do the voice of Roxy on this? 01:05:40.820 --> 01:05:41.480 I was, 01:05:41.980 --> 01:05:42.740 I was, 01:05:43.220 --> 01:05:43.500 wasn't. 01:05:43.900 --> 01:05:45.480 The typical Troma pay, 01:05:45.640 --> 01:05:48.620 you can grab one of the shaker DVDs by the door. 01:05:54.060 --> 01:05:57.580 Hey, I demanded the non-shaker DVDs. 01:05:58.900 --> 01:06:00.140 You know, I can't remember. 01:06:00.620 --> 01:06:04.180 It's possible that I was. So I don't 01:06:04.210 --> 01:06:06.500 want to like definitely say that I wasn't. 01:06:07.080 --> 01:06:08.220 But yeah, 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:08.680 I mean, 01:06:09.040 --> 01:06:14.360 they were so good. I lived extremely close to the Hell's 01:06:14.460 --> 01:06:16.340 Kitchen compound. 01:06:17.120 --> 01:06:20.400 And I mean, they were so good at just, 01:06:20.790 --> 01:06:20.900 you 01:06:20.900 --> 01:06:24.240 know, giving me stuff to take to conventions and stuff like that. 01:06:24.580 --> 01:06:29.480 that coming in for a day to have some fun, it didn't really seem 01:06:29.600 --> 01:06:29.820 like, 01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:30.820 you know, 01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:32.960 anybody was taking advantage of anybody 01:06:33.220 --> 01:06:34.640 because like I said, I mean, 01:06:35.100 --> 01:06:36.080 you know, there was all kinds of 01:06:36.220 --> 01:06:39.560 stuff that they would just everything was physical media, 01:06:39.700 --> 01:06:39.960 right? 01:06:40.120 --> 01:06:41.680 So they had just lots of it. 01:06:42.160 --> 01:06:43.500 And they would say, Oh, take 01:06:43.600 --> 01:06:43.820 some, 01:06:44.230 --> 01:06:44.480 you know, 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.320 oversized posters. 01:06:46.640 --> 01:06:47.580 I mean, my goodness, I 01:06:47.660 --> 01:06:48.520 still have some here. 01:06:49.120 --> 01:06:49.500 And, 01:06:49.950 --> 01:06:51.900 you know, stuff that people really 01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:56.860 don't buy anymore like the oversized posters because it's like you have to 01:06:56.860 --> 01:06:58.680 have five walls to fit them. 01:06:58.940 --> 01:06:59.660 They're so big. 01:06:59.930 --> 01:07:00.080 Yeah. 01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:01.700 Um, but yeah, 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:03.800 I mean I think it was more like that for, 01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:05.180 for something like this. 01:07:05.350 --> 01:07:05.640 I mean, 01:07:05.640 --> 01:07:14.000 I think I want to say Terra firmer was a solid $150. 01:07:17.059 --> 01:07:19.960 So this would probably easily be double, 01:07:20.790 --> 01:07:21.500 double the budget. 01:07:21.580 --> 01:07:23.880 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, that's that's what I'm 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:24.260 saying. 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.120 This is probably a thousand. 01:07:30.180 --> 01:07:33.480 I mean, nothing less than scale for Doggie Tails. 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:34.620 Right. 01:07:35.020 --> 01:07:35.320 Well, 01:07:35.940 --> 01:07:36.720 full union, 01:07:37.660 --> 01:07:38.420 full union. 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.340 There was a union person on the set, you know, with the dogs. 01:07:44.140 --> 01:07:46.200 The Humane Society also hanging out. 01:07:48.220 --> 01:07:49.220 It was intense. 01:07:49.340 --> 01:07:51.160 It was really intense. 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:51.980 But you know what? 01:07:52.200 --> 01:07:53.740 They couldn't be more 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:54.340 humane. 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:57.440 Because I think everybody making this movie were 01:07:57.620 --> 01:07:59.480 just such dog lovers. They were like, 01:08:00.080 --> 01:08:01.860 "It's all good footage. How 01:08:01.860 --> 01:08:03.440 do we cut anything?" Yeah, 01:08:03.660 --> 01:08:05.100 Gabe is rolling his eyes right now. 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:07.620 But it's yeah, 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:09.280 look at there's some story happening. 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.700 "I got to get clean and sophisticated for Lucky's 01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:12.760 family." 01:08:13.540 --> 01:08:14.320 You had to look. 01:08:14.560 --> 01:08:15.540 You had to look. 01:08:16.080 --> 01:08:17.140 There's the this is the 01:08:17.020 --> 01:08:18.020 story part, 01:08:18.740 --> 01:08:19.600 right? Where he gets a little, 01:08:20.080 --> 01:08:20.339 you know, 01:08:20.660 --> 01:08:21.380 bath and 01:08:21.620 --> 01:08:22.460 feels good. 01:08:22.850 --> 01:08:27.720 I mean, but who can't relate to being chained up into a metal 01:08:27.980 --> 01:08:30.920 sink in Hell's Kitchen and getting sprayed down by a 01:08:31.049 --> 01:08:31.960 strange person with a hose? 01:08:32.270 --> 01:08:33.940 You had a very similar situation in 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:35.359 Shakespeare's Shitstorms. 01:08:36.299 --> 01:08:36.819 Nice. 01:08:37.020 --> 01:08:38.160 Oh, that's a great, 01:08:38.660 --> 01:08:39.140 beautiful. 01:08:40.060 --> 01:08:40.779 Yes, I did. 01:08:46.480 --> 01:08:47.000 Wasn't 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:52.560 to Lloyd Kaufman in Shakespeare's Shitstorm and Senator Sebastian. 01:08:52.960 --> 01:09:00.680 So we had at the beginning of the movie when the whales defecate all over and 01:09:00.819 --> 01:09:06.580 the shite comes down on us and we you know everybody sort of gets their 01:09:06.770 --> 01:09:13.739 clothes up being you know doused in shite and so Lloyd for whatever reason 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.880 that I still say is sort of like one of those, 01:09:17.040 --> 01:09:17.500 um, 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:19.380 uh, 01:09:21.240 --> 01:09:24.440 sub things like, you know, a submissive would like, 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:28.020 cause I can't think of any other reason the person would want to do this. 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.799 Unless he wouldn't want it to set an example. 01:09:30.839 --> 01:09:32.799 So maybe it's a combination of both of those. 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:34.480 He said, I said, 01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:38.259 are we going to go first in the middle or last? And he says, 01:09:38.259 --> 01:09:39.960 we're going dead last. 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:40.720 And I'm like, 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:41.460 oh load. 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:43.740 The reason I said "oh, load" 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:48.980 is because it was the same shit being dumped on 01:09:49.700 --> 01:09:49.980 everybody. 01:09:50.420 --> 01:09:52.520 It was cleaned up off the floor, 01:09:53.240 --> 01:09:54.140 like, because there was a lot of 01:09:54.140 --> 01:09:54.520 it, right? 01:09:54.900 --> 01:09:56.300 Sort of like scooped up, 01:09:56.540 --> 01:09:56.840 you know, 01:09:57.020 --> 01:09:58.360 however they scooped it up, 01:09:58.960 --> 01:09:59.080 put 01:09:59.080 --> 01:10:01.780 it back in the buckets and dumped. 01:10:02.460 --> 01:10:05.480 This same shit. 01:10:06.780 --> 01:10:08.760 So now we're talking how 01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:10.160 many times into it. 01:10:10.820 --> 01:10:11.820 Floor, like person, 01:10:12.740 --> 01:10:13.080 floor, 01:10:13.660 --> 01:10:13.820 you know, 01:10:14.040 --> 01:10:14.500 shoes, 01:10:15.240 --> 01:10:15.960 the whole bet. 01:10:16.240 --> 01:10:19.440 Like how many times, like 10 times, 20 times 01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:22.200 previous to it now going on you. 01:10:22.440 --> 01:10:25.680 So there's no acting needed at 01:10:25.900 --> 01:10:26.140 all. 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:27.620 When you have that, 01:10:27.900 --> 01:10:31.420 that kind of shit coming down, 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:32.600 it is 01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:37.840 no acting needed. 01:10:38.140 --> 01:10:39.460 So when it was time, 01:10:39.900 --> 01:10:41.060 just like you see in the 01:10:41.660 --> 01:10:42.340 Lucky movie, 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.060 so when it was time to get the hose down, so to 01:10:46.180 --> 01:10:46.320 speak, 01:10:46.940 --> 01:10:51.220 I said, you know, I can't, you know, I can't get in 01:10:51.460 --> 01:10:54.380 the subway or a car or anything like this. 01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:56.080 Because the place 01:10:56.200 --> 01:10:56.460 was, 01:10:56.930 --> 01:10:59.720 where we were shooting was a restaurant at Two Sides. 01:11:06.100 --> 01:11:06.620 And 01:11:07.200 --> 01:11:08.080 So they said, 01:11:08.240 --> 01:11:08.400 "Yeah, 01:11:08.860 --> 01:11:08.980 no, 01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:11.620 everybody's getting like washed off out back." 01:11:12.280 --> 01:11:14.360 So I went out back and they were like, 01:11:14.580 --> 01:11:14.760 "Okay, 01:11:15.080 --> 01:11:17.760 so what you got to do is just strip down." 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.920 We got the hose from the restaurant where they just like hose down the buckets, 01:11:22.100 --> 01:11:23.240 the old grease buckets. 01:11:24.120 --> 01:11:25.180 And this is what we're doing. 01:11:25.980 --> 01:11:26.320 And I was like, 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:27.780 "Oh my God." 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:35.740 I said, "Okay, the choice is to not have it done and go that way or have it done, be it over with." 01:11:35.620 --> 01:11:40.860 with and do it and get out like that. 01:11:41.300 --> 01:11:42.220 And tomorrow's another day. 01:11:42.580 --> 01:11:43.740 So I opted for that. 01:11:44.540 --> 01:11:45.280 So I was hosed, 01:11:46.700 --> 01:11:48.460 took everything off, 01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:52.480 hosed down and, 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:53.100 you know, 01:11:53.140 --> 01:11:54.020 took it for the art. 01:11:54.280 --> 01:11:57.620 And they gave you a little nice green treat afterwards. 01:12:00.120 --> 01:12:00.380 Yeah. 01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:02.800 They gave me a green treat. 01:12:03.380 --> 01:12:04.000 The end. 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.360 See, that was a beautiful, 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:07.640 beautiful ending. 01:12:07.980 --> 01:12:09.920 And to the story as well. 01:12:10.820 --> 01:12:10.980 (laughing) 01:12:11.260 --> 01:12:12.200 Look it, 01:12:12.460 --> 01:12:13.440 you can learn about- 01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:16.260 I do wanna say something about the film. 01:12:16.780 --> 01:12:17.120 So, 01:12:18.460 --> 01:12:18.860 Paul Moisio, 01:12:20.060 --> 01:12:21.740 he passed away in '22 01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:27.040 and this is the only film in his director credits. 01:12:27.780 --> 01:12:29.980 So, I do wanna give him his flowers for that. 01:12:30.080 --> 01:12:36.340 And if it wasn't for Paul's vision to bring this to the big screen, 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:40.760 or to the mini DVD market, 01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:42.280 we wouldn't have this. 01:12:42.660 --> 01:12:46.500 And it has brought hours of entertainment to myself and others. 01:12:47.480 --> 01:12:47.820 Yes. 01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:48.460 Yes. 01:12:48.540 --> 01:12:48.900 I am. 01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:52.340 I very sad to hear that news because I did not know. 01:12:53.120 --> 01:12:53.940 So yes. 01:12:54.380 --> 01:12:55.060 Thank you, 01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:58.900 Paul, for bringing us this and we will forever. 01:12:59.500 --> 01:13:02.540 Look, you have a nice little character card for all of them. 01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:06.300 It wouldn't be the same without Doggie Tails. 01:13:06.320 --> 01:13:07.240 I have to be honest. 01:13:07.420 --> 01:13:08.940 Like, people still, 01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:12.020 they're downstairs in the basement of Troma and they're 01:13:12.180 --> 01:13:13.740 looking through the things and out of nowhere, 01:13:14.460 --> 01:13:15.860 there will be Doggie Tails and 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:17.080 they just won't believe it. 01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:21.780 So it will forever have its own very special place in the Troma library. 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:23.140 Definitely. 01:13:23.980 --> 01:13:26.780 And real quick, I have to know, have you ever talked to James or 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:28.440 Jenna about this film? 01:13:28.500 --> 01:13:29.660 birds and rabbits. 01:13:30.100 --> 01:13:30.320 No, 01:13:30.620 --> 01:13:32.040 I have not. 01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:34.880 I would be curious to know what they think or if 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:35.840 they even think about it. 01:13:38.100 --> 01:13:39.020 If they remember. 01:13:40.080 --> 01:13:40.900 If they remember. 01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:42.680 Well, I think 01:13:42.780 --> 01:13:44.020 there's only one way to find out. 01:13:45.080 --> 01:13:48.880 We must ask them. For the criterion of Doggie 01:13:49.040 --> 01:13:49.280 tails, 01:13:50.260 --> 01:13:54.920 we'll have to have the very in-depth vinegar syndrome type documentary 01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:00.440 with James and Jenna and Academy Award nominee Charlotte Kaufman. 01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.900 If there was ever anything to go for, 01:14:04.480 --> 01:14:05.180 that's it. 01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.280 The criterion version of Doggie Tails. 01:14:09.580 --> 01:14:10.680 I don't know who to start, but, 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:12.980 you know, let's work on this when we're, 01:14:13.460 --> 01:14:15.880 you know, when this is over, the commentary is done. 01:14:16.200 --> 01:14:19.160 You and I are going to get hard to work on that. 01:14:19.780 --> 01:14:22.380 We'll go digging through all the mini TV tapes. 01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:23.000 Oh, 01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:23.760 Roxy, 01:14:24.360 --> 01:14:24.900 the best. 01:14:24.940 --> 01:14:26.640 the top of the film. 01:14:27.080 --> 01:14:28.400 [JADE] Oh! 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:30.320 Roxy! 01:14:30.980 --> 01:14:32.920 [JAY] And she's from ancient Egypt. 01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.680 [JADE] Yeah, and Sherman. 01:14:36.940 --> 01:14:39.000 Oh, I love Sherman. I love Pugs. 01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:40.400 Yeah, 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:42.220 you know, I gotta say, 01:14:43.280 --> 01:14:45.080 I want to say that it was like a 01:14:45.440 --> 01:14:50.080 basset hound that got axed that I did the voice for. 01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:53.080 But we have 01:14:53.080 --> 01:14:54.880 dig deeper for the next one, 01:14:55.180 --> 01:14:56.840 because this deserves more than one commentary. 01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:57.360 I agree. 01:14:58.500 --> 01:14:58.820 Question, 01:14:59.160 --> 01:15:02.860 a technical one. Do you think these title cards here are to stretch 01:15:02.860 --> 01:15:04.000 the movie out to 30 minutes? 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:05.320 Yes. 01:15:06.380 --> 01:15:06.860 Yes. 01:15:07.540 --> 01:15:08.760 There's no doubt about it. 01:15:09.160 --> 01:15:10.380 A family fun... See? 01:15:10.630 --> 01:15:11.160 Here we go. 01:15:11.400 --> 01:15:11.920 This is it. 01:15:12.140 --> 01:15:12.320 Well, 01:15:12.500 --> 01:15:13.880 as the credits are going, 01:15:14.050 --> 01:15:18.120 do you have any final thoughts for the Doggie Tails fans 01:15:18.300 --> 01:15:18.580 out there? 01:15:19.080 --> 01:15:20.680 You will miss the Basset Hound! 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:22.020 Anyway, 01:15:22.420 --> 01:15:23.280 you can rewind. 01:15:23.440 --> 01:15:24.960 It's just in the end. 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:26.120 Ah! 01:15:26.340 --> 01:15:27.560 Okay, any final thoughts? 01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:31.160 I'm just really glad that I did it because it is still to this day 01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:34.000 the only thing that I was mad about when it came out, 01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:37.280 which actually made me laugh and still makes me laugh, 01:15:37.400 --> 01:15:39.200 on the physical DVD, 01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:41.000 they spelled my name wrong. 01:15:41.300 --> 01:15:42.100 And I thought, 01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:43.540 "Damn it!" 01:15:43.540 --> 01:15:45.340 I was so excited and then I was like, 01:15:45.740 --> 01:15:47.080 "Son of a..." 01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:48.420 What do you mean? 01:15:49.120 --> 01:15:51.900 R-A-C-H-O-N. 01:15:52.400 --> 01:15:53.460 What are you talking about? 01:15:54.310 --> 01:15:56.160 You know, after all the trouble movies, 01:15:56.380 --> 01:15:58.840 you'd think it'd be easy to, you know... 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:01.420 They could grab a DVD off the shelf and double check. 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:03.720 And I was like, 01:16:03.940 --> 01:16:06.260 "I can't believe it." So I'll end with that. 01:16:06.360 --> 01:16:07.240 That's a gripe. 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:08.580 I'll end with a gripe. 01:16:08.740 --> 01:16:09.100 How about that? 01:16:09.280 --> 01:16:10.240 I'll end with a gripe. 01:16:10.280 --> 01:16:13.920 They got on the cover of that disc. 01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.780 They couldn't spell my name right and I was very sad, 01:16:19.180 --> 01:16:21.840 but not sad enough to not love this 01:16:22.100 --> 01:16:22.260 movie. 01:16:23.990 --> 01:16:24.160 Well, 01:16:24.340 --> 01:16:25.100 thank you so much, 01:16:25.260 --> 01:16:27.440 Debbie Rochon, and everybody else out there, 01:16:28.320 --> 01:16:29.320 stay Tromatized. 01:16:30.120 --> 01:16:30.780 There you go. 01:16:31.380 --> 01:16:32.320 Stay Tromatized. 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:35.560 Oh my God, 01:16:36.080 --> 01:16:36.920 that was incredible. 01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:40.960 I hope it was what you wanted. 01:16:41.320 --> 01:16:42.580 Oh, a hundred percent. 01:16:43.400 --> 01:16:46.620 There's only so much you could talk about a home video of dogs. 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:50.000 Isn't that hilarious? 01:16:50.200 --> 01:16:54.520 I, and I swear to God from what Doug Sackman told me, I'm like Central Park. 01:16:54.580 --> 01:16:55.780 And then it said Park Slope. 01:16:56.030 --> 01:16:58.780 I swear to God it, maybe it was both. 01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:00.400 Cause I swear he went, 01:17:00.900 --> 01:17:04.440 I think maybe Gabe went as well and probably Paul went as 01:17:04.440 --> 01:17:04.800 well. 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:06.660 But regardless, 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:07.520 it's funnier. 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:10.120 It's like all this hodgepodge of 01:17:10.260 --> 01:17:10.720 information. 01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:14.680 Who can really believe on the Doggie tails 01:17:14.980 --> 01:17:15.400 commentary? 01:17:17.100 --> 01:17:18.780 Unreliable narrator. There you go. 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:21.200 There's too much is we 01:17:21.320 --> 01:17:21.640 have to, 01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:22.340 you know, 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:23.720 don't don't trust. 01:17:24.180 --> 01:17:24.760 Don't trust it. 01:17:25.100 --> 01:17:25.800 That was fun. 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:26.320 Well, 01:17:27.160 --> 01:17:30.540 I had a great time with you guys. Thank you so much. 01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:38.340 Oh my God. 01:17:38.950 --> 01:17:40.760 I can't believe that fucking happened. 01:17:41.280 --> 01:17:42.560 That is insane. 01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.400 Everybody out there, thank you so much for listening 01:17:47.300 --> 01:17:47.760 and watching. 01:17:47.770 --> 01:17:49.120 If you're watching this on YouTube, 01:17:49.540 --> 01:17:50.360 please like, 01:17:50.580 --> 01:17:51.300 share, and subscribe 01:17:52.480 --> 01:17:54.000 because honestly it does help us. 01:17:54.180 --> 01:17:55.180 More people can see it. 01:17:55.320 --> 01:17:59.480 And this is very much a word of mouth type of project 01:17:59.480 --> 01:18:00.720 and a labor of love. 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:02.920 Of course it's a labor of love 01:18:03.140 --> 01:18:04.680 because you probably couldn't pay anybody 01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:06.460 to talk about "Doggie Tails." 01:18:06.940 --> 01:18:11.360 But I love you and I hope you love this 01:18:11.540 --> 01:18:16.160 and please show your love by subscribing and sharing it. 01:18:16.480 --> 01:18:19.080 And if you're just listening to this in the old automobile, 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:22.060 hop on over when you're done driving 01:18:22.420 --> 01:18:23.840 and watch us on YouTube. 01:18:23.910 --> 01:18:26.700 We have all sorts of different deep dives 01:18:26.700 --> 01:18:28.600 in "Troma" history from their video archives. 01:18:29.280 --> 01:18:32.220 and you can watch along Doggie Tails 01:18:32.510 --> 01:18:34.180 as me and Debbie are talking about it. 01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.500 And also give us a click on the subscribe there. 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:42.180 You're already subscribing to other things, 01:18:42.180 --> 01:18:44.540 but you're not subscribing to the best thing, 01:18:44.890 --> 01:18:47.000 which is Talking Troma on YouTube. 01:18:48.019 --> 01:18:51.500 And follow us on the socials, all that good stuff. 01:18:51.850 --> 01:18:52.700 We love you all. 01:18:52.860 --> 01:18:57.720 And remember in the wise words of Doggie Tails, 01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:00.300 Don't forget to shake it, shake it, shake it. 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:24.200 Talkin' Troma with Zack Beins is hosted and produced by Zack Beins, 01:19:24.700 --> 01:19:25.460 Chris Lanphear, 01:19:25.580 --> 01:19:26.360 and Chaz Kangas. 01:19:27.080 --> 01:19:28.300 Our head of research is Dr. 01:19:28.460 --> 01:19:29.300 Nolan Stolz. 01:19:29.820 --> 01:19:31.960 The show is recorded at Loudspeaker Studios 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:32.700 in Fort Collins, 01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:33.200 Colorado. 01:19:34.040 --> 01:19:36.900 Executive producers for Loudspeaker are Chris Lanphear 01:19:37.100 --> 01:19:38.080 and Charles Joseph Kelly. 01:19:38.780 --> 01:19:41.900 Our theme music is by J57 and Bald Halfwit. 01:19:42.500 --> 01:19:44.900 Talkin' Troma is a listener-supported production 01:19:44.990 --> 01:19:46.320 of Loudspeaker Studios, 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:48.720 a nonprofit public radio service. 01:19:49.290 --> 01:19:50.340 To support the show, 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:52.100 please consider making a donation 01:19:52.230 --> 01:19:53.560 at loudspeaker.org. 01:19:54.160 --> 01:19:56.200 Catch new episodes of the show Thursdays 01:19:56.620 --> 01:19:57.800 at 9 p.m. Eastern, 01:19:58.200 --> 01:19:59.700 6 p.m. Pacific streaming 01:20:00.160 --> 01:20:03.160 at loudspeaker.org and the Loudspeaker mobile app. 01:20:04.040 --> 01:20:05.720 Past episodes of the show can be found 01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:08.200 at talkintroma.com and you can find us 01:20:08.260 --> 01:20:09.740 on social media at TalkinTroma. 01:20:10.660 --> 01:20:12.820 Thanks for listening and we'll see you in Tromaville. 01:20:19.420 --> 01:20:21.800 This has been a listener supported production 01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:23.380 of Loudspeaker Studios. 01:20:23.740 --> 01:20:25.640 For more on this and other programs, 01:20:26.080 --> 01:20:27.680 visit loudspeaker.org.