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Zack Beins: Good morning, Tromaville.

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Zack Beins: It's me,

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Zack Beins: Zack Beins,

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Zack Beins: host of the Talkin' Troma podcast.

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Zack Beins: I'm so grateful that all of you could be here with me today

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Zack Beins: on April Fools.

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Zack Beins: There is a graphic there unless there's not.

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Zack Beins: If you're listening,

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Zack Beins: there's definitely

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Zack Beins: no graphic and please pay attention to the roads.

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Zack Beins: Today,

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Zack Beins: I was joined with one of the best people

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Zack Beins: in all of Tromaville, in all of the world,

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Zack Beins: Debbie Rochon.

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Zack Beins: And we catch up a little bit,

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Zack Beins: and we got to put something out in the world

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Zack Beins: that I never thought would exist.

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Zack Beins: It's ridiculous and hilarious and should it exist?

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Zack Beins: I don't know, but I thought it should.

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Zack Beins: Me and Debbie do an audio commentary

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Zack Beins: for the Troma Family Fun Classic,

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Zack Beins: Doggie Tails.

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Zack Beins: So everybody,

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Zack Beins: enjoy,

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Zack Beins: listen,

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Zack Beins: and please have a good time with this conversation

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Zack Beins: and commentary for Doggie Tails with Debbie Rochon.

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Zack Beins: Good morning, Tromaville,

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Zack Beins: and if you're listening on April 1st,

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Zack Beins: Happy April Fool's Day.

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Zack Beins: And today I have the most legendary person

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Zack Beins: in all of Tromaville,

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Zack Beins: in all of the world,

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Zack Beins: in all of cinema,

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Zack Beins: Debbie Rochon.

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Zack Beins: Me?

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Zack Beins: Yes.

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Debbie Rochon: Thank you.

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Debbie Rochon: Happy April Fool's,

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Debbie Rochon: fools.

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Zack Beins: Gotcha.

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Zack Beins: Gotcha.

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Zack Beins: So I thought instead of playing a joke on the audience

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Zack Beins: I thought it would be great to do a commentary today

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Zack Beins: for one of the most star-studded Troma movies of all time,

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Zack Beins: Doggie Tails.

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Debbie Rochon: Why hasn't this happened before?

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Debbie Rochon: The demand had to be there.

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Zack Beins: Why there isn't a Criterion disc of Doggie Tails yet?

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Zack Beins: I don't know.

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Debbie Rochon: I'm telling you, if somebody doesn't do a special release

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Debbie Rochon: with like all the, a booklet and the artwork

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Debbie Rochon: I don't know,

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Debbie Rochon: putting it out there.

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Zack Beins: Maybe they were talking to Drew Struzan at one point

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Zack Beins: but you know.

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Zack Beins: But before we hop into Doggie Tails though,

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Zack Beins: I wanna catch up, it's been a while since I've seen ya.

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Zack Beins: Last time was when you were out here in Colorado

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Zack Beins: for the Festival of Horror,

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Zack Beins: where I was lucky enough to be able to present you

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Zack Beins: the Lifetime Achievement Award.

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Debbie Rochon: Amazing.

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Debbie Rochon: I'm still blown away.

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Debbie Rochon: I'm still honored and blown away.

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Debbie Rochon: So yeah, thank you.

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Debbie Rochon: That was great.

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Debbie Rochon: Amazing.

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Zack Beins: It, it was,

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Debbie Rochon: maybe heels.

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Debbie Rochon: I got all the heels.

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Debbie Rochon: It's amazing.

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Debbie Rochon: Thank you.

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Zack Beins: You're welcome.

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Zack Beins: Yeah.

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Zack Beins: It was super honored just to,

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Zack Beins: and we, we had such a great time and I can't say.

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Zack Beins: kind enough things about you because you're just so awesome.

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Zack Beins: One thing I did want to ask you about, which was one of the current-ish projects that you did,

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Zack Beins: the Troma Project, "50 Years of Real Fan-Toxic Hip-Hop."

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Zack Beins: Yeah, tell us a little bit about that, because it's so fun to hear you pop up on there.

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Debbie Rochon: so who knew that I'd be doing so much music these days?

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Debbie Rochon: But I did do something for Chaz.

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Debbie Rochon: fantastic."

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Debbie Rochon: because we did it so long before the record came out, right?

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Debbie Rochon: People should get it.

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Debbie Rochon: It's just,

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Zack Beins: And it's so cool that it,

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Debbie Rochon: That's hard and not, and not inexpensive.

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Debbie Rochon: You're never supposed to say the word cheap.

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Debbie Rochon: That's what salespeople tell you.

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Debbie Rochon: Never use the word cheap.

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Debbie Rochon: It's not inexpensive to make this.

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Debbie Rochon: Nor is it inexpensive to make this commentary track

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Debbie Rochon: to Doggie Tails.

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Zack Beins: It's true.

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Zack Beins: And also,

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Zack Beins: One of your first forays into the feature film world.

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Debbie Rochon: The memories were just so incredible and varied and different and reflective of the 90s

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Debbie Rochon: it will blow your mind to see the movie.

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Debbie Rochon: our meat man,

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Debbie Rochon: And I felt like it was a different time.

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Debbie Rochon: I personally,

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Debbie Rochon: there was a big difference between Tromeo and Juliet and Tara Firmer and then kind of beyond,

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Debbie Rochon: So there's certain things I think I hit on

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Debbie Rochon: But overall I think just the experience with everybody and the sheer

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Debbie Rochon: Yes.

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Debbie Rochon: I think the whole film is like wildly fleshed out in a lot of ways.

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Debbie Rochon: But that's the best way I could describe it because I knew the vibe that Lloyd wanted

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Debbie Rochon: I'll tell you something too, though.

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Debbie Rochon: And so there I am, rehearsing in my room over and over with the YouTube,

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Debbie Rochon: I think it almost fell into a class situation, which is a lot like the book Crime and Punishment,

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Debbie Rochon: in the movie version.

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Debbie Rochon: The movie!

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Debbie Rochon: You like that?

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Debbie Rochon: of crime and punishment.

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Zack Beins: The official adaptation.

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Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

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Debbie Rochon: If only he knew,

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Debbie Rochon: If only he could have foreseen what would be.

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Debbie Rochon: And I really believe he would enjoy it, to be honest.

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Debbie Rochon: But yeah, it's been a wild ride.

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Debbie Rochon: And I think it's just got this really nice

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Debbie Rochon: I mean, I think they found the sweet spot of having just enough this stuff,

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Debbie Rochon: I mean, there was an intermission at one point.

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Zack Beins: Yeah,

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Zack Beins: and it's still being edited as the recording of this episode.

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Zack Beins: But it's also different from a typical Lloyd movie is it's not super reliant on special

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Zack Beins: which I was really happy to

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Debbie Rochon: I know. And I really, I have to commend him because nobody is going to expect this.

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Debbie Rochon: But one thing that Lloyd does know how to do is he understands that a lot of people,

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Debbie Rochon: even though he would love everybody to love it,

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Debbie Rochon: that's the truth.

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Debbie Rochon: And that's the truth with a lot of artists.

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Debbie Rochon: But the truth is,

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Debbie Rochon: I mean, if if you've done something and you have people who

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Debbie Rochon: love it,

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Debbie Rochon: you know, obsess over it,

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Debbie Rochon: you know, hate it, all the

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Debbie Rochon: extremes, and you're going to have that in Troma Bell,

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Debbie Rochon: this is sort of his

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Debbie Rochon: For those that don't know already,

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Debbie Rochon: as close as you get to like a serious Hannah and her sisters kind of film,

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Debbie Rochon: even though it's not that it's not that at all.

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Debbie Rochon: But it's sort of Lloyd's.

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Debbie Rochon: They're all art films, so it's weird to say this, but bear with me.

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Debbie Rochon: His art art film,

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Debbie Rochon: if that makes sense.

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Debbie Rochon: Would you agree with that?

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Zack Beins: Yeah, it's it's a very restrained Lloyd movie

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Zack Beins: when you watch the performances of like you and Jane and Tromeo just like talking

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Zack Beins: but it's,

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Zack Beins: uh, it's with a

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Debbie Rochon: Right.

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Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

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Debbie Rochon: And the evil forces that the anti-hero,

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Debbie Rochon: The evil force or forces that

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Debbie Rochon: that would be normal in Tromaville.

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Debbie Rochon: It's a person that,

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Debbie Rochon: it's a really basic thing that we all experience.

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Debbie Rochon: maybe 11.

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Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

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Debbie Rochon: But at the same time, it is. Yeah. It's really all

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Zack Beins: the elements are so different. Right. Just like I feel like the fans have seen

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Zack Beins: but it's really story driven and character driven,

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Zack Beins: which in talking to

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Zack Beins: So,

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Debbie Rochon: I'm so happy that he got to do it and who knows what his next will be.

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Debbie Rochon: But I,

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Debbie Rochon: I was just so proud to be a part of that movie because so many

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Debbie Rochon: directors get the chance and some don't to do that movie that their audience is not expecting

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Debbie Rochon: from them.

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Debbie Rochon: Right.

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Debbie Rochon: But it's in them to do and they want to do it.

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Debbie Rochon: And it's kind of like

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Debbie Rochon: But it's so different. You don't know how it's going to go.

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Debbie Rochon: Right. You

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Zack Beins: And so what's more Troma than,

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Zack Beins: you know,

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Zack Beins: throughout his throughout the entire history

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Zack Beins: you know,

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Zack Beins: And this is definitely the unexpected Lloyd Kaufman movie.

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Debbie Rochon: I think so,

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Debbie Rochon: too.

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Debbie Rochon: And I kind of love it.

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Debbie Rochon: There's a part of me that is like so digging it because,

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Debbie Rochon: you know, you have Lisa Gay.

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Debbie Rochon: Well, it's just a painting of Joe Fleishaker, but he's represented there.

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Debbie Rochon: And unfortunately, we don't have him with us anymore.

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Debbie Rochon: But in Lloyd and other Troma stars like Bill Whedon,

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Debbie Rochon: and nobody is, matter of fact, they're

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Debbie Rochon: trying to play even older than what they are in real life.

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Debbie Rochon: Nobody's like faking it backwards.

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Debbie Rochon: Everybody's like themselves or forward.

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Debbie Rochon: And I almost feel like this is the, I don't know how to say it really, but the Troma

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Debbie Rochon: Does that make any sense?

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Zack Beins: It does.

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Zack Beins: Well, and there's always been a theme in Lloyd's movies about aging,

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Zack Beins: like with the Toxic Avengers

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Zack Beins: two and three,

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Zack Beins: and people letting themselves age gracefully,

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Zack Beins: you playing themselves, but maybe older,

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00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:38,320
Zack Beins: is,

459
00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:40,980
Zack Beins: it's also just unexpected.

460
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,640
Debbie Rochon: It is, and when Lloyd first asked me about doing this,

461
00:20:46,220 --> 00:20:46,620
Debbie Rochon: Ironically,

462
00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:49,140
Debbie Rochon: okay, here to me, this is a new thing.

463
00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:50,280
Debbie Rochon: He's got a

464
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,380
Debbie Rochon: process that he does. And that's part of his process,

465
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,040
Debbie Rochon: even if he

466
00:20:54,060 --> 00:20:55,120
Debbie Rochon: already knows,

467
00:20:55,660 --> 00:20:57,080
Debbie Rochon: and he's already made up his mind.

468
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:58,860
Debbie Rochon: He until this

469
00:20:58,980 --> 00:21:00,840
Debbie Rochon: movie would always say,

470
00:21:01,060 --> 00:21:03,340
Debbie Rochon: Okay, yeah, I'm doing a new movie. And

471
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,700
Debbie Rochon: I'd like you to do this, if you can just send in a video.

472
00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:07,260
Debbie Rochon: Like,

473
00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:07,680
Debbie Rochon: it's like,

474
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:08,360
Debbie Rochon: just,

475
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,860
Debbie Rochon: it's the process,

476
00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:10,680
Debbie Rochon: like, you know, how

477
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,080
Debbie Rochon: everybody has one, like you're sending in a video,

478
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:13,700
Debbie Rochon: like an

479
00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:14,900
Debbie Rochon: audition video, if you will,

480
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,760
Debbie Rochon: but it's really just like have it on

481
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:17,480
Debbie Rochon: file. Like,

482
00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:20,080
Debbie Rochon: it wasn't the the beginning or end, because he

483
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,540
Debbie Rochon: knows what you could do and what you can't do or whatever.

484
00:21:23,180 --> 00:21:23,320
Debbie Rochon: This

485
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,800
Debbie Rochon: was the only film he never asked me to.

486
00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:29,620
Debbie Rochon: And when he asked me

487
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,820
Debbie Rochon: about this movie, he said,

488
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,900
Debbie Rochon: I really want you to play this

489
00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:35,340
Debbie Rochon: Debbie, I really do.

490
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,840
Debbie Rochon: I just want to ask you,

491
00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:39,900
Debbie Rochon: do you do you mind

492
00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,220
Debbie Rochon: playing like a really,

493
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:42,900
Debbie Rochon: you know, an old,

494
00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:45,580
Debbie Rochon: old hag type of woman.

495
00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:47,100
Debbie Rochon: And I said,

496
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:47,860
Debbie Rochon: "Lori,

497
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,760
Debbie Rochon: I am an old hag.

498
00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:52,380
Debbie Rochon: I don't don't worry about it. This is good.

499
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,460
Debbie Rochon: I won't you won't even have to use special effects makeup on me."

500
00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:56,940
Debbie Rochon: And the truth is,

501
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:59,580
Debbie Rochon: we didn't use any special effects makeup.

502
00:21:59,830 --> 00:22:01,780
Debbie Rochon: We did some really cool,

503
00:22:02,060 --> 00:22:04,320
Debbie Rochon: like old school glamour,

504
00:22:04,590 --> 00:22:04,940
Debbie Rochon: you know,

505
00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:07,200
Debbie Rochon: makeup in that regard.

506
00:22:07,540 --> 00:22:09,160
Debbie Rochon: But we had no aging makeup.

507
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:10,900
Debbie Rochon: It's just like balls to the wall.

508
00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:15,000
Debbie Rochon: These are the Tromaville actors now.

509
00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:15,820
Zack Beins: Yeah.

510
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,120
Debbie Rochon: That's us now.

511
00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:20,300
Debbie Rochon: You know, it's Lisa Gay.

512
00:22:21,580 --> 00:22:22,560
Debbie Rochon: It's Lloyd Kaufman.

513
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,660
Debbie Rochon: It's like whomever you see is Bill Whedon

514
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,660
Debbie Rochon: in the nude again.

515
00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:30,940
Zack Beins: Speaking of balls to the wall.

516
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,240
Debbie Rochon: Yeah, literally,

517
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,940
Debbie Rochon: he has his balls to a certain type of wall.

518
00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:39,200
Debbie Rochon: But it's yeah,

519
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,640
Debbie Rochon: it's phenomenal.

520
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,600
Debbie Rochon: I really hope people dig it.

521
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:43,700
Debbie Rochon: I think they will.

522
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,320
Debbie Rochon: I think they're going to surprise

523
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,520
Debbie Rochon: maybe themselves,

524
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,560
Debbie Rochon: but certainly Lloyd.

525
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:49,200
Debbie Rochon: I think.

526
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,320
Debbie Rochon: Yeah, I think it's going to resonate with people.

527
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,500
Zack Beins: I think so, too.

528
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:54,640
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

529
00:22:55,460 --> 00:22:57,060
Debbie Rochon: You know, it's not a bunch of 50, 60,

530
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,540
Debbie Rochon: 70,

531
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,640
Debbie Rochon: 80 year old people

532
00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:02,600
Debbie Rochon: trying to do comedy of 20s and 30s.

533
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,400
Debbie Rochon: It's people saying,

534
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:05,800
Debbie Rochon: what if?

535
00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:08,560
Zack Beins: It's a grown up Troma movie.

536
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:09,620
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

537
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:10,280
Debbie Rochon: that's,

538
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:11,620
Debbie Rochon: in a nutshell,

539
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,900
Debbie Rochon: that's what I've been trying to think of that phrase.

540
00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:15,540
Debbie Rochon: Hello,

541
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:17,640
Debbie Rochon: it's a grown up Troma movie.

542
00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:22,040
Zack Beins: Well, and it's also cool that you worked on this movie,

543
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,380
Zack Beins: but 30 years before you did Tromeo and Juliet.

544
00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:28,040
Zack Beins: What would you say the differences

545
00:23:29,179 --> 00:23:31,500
Zack Beins: from Power Positive Murder are,

546
00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:33,080
Zack Beins: as opposed to Tromeo?

547
00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:34,820
Zack Beins: What stuff was different,

548
00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:35,500
Zack Beins: what stuff,

549
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:39,480
Zack Beins: you know, is a through line on there that stayed kind of the same.

550
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:40,660
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

551
00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:49,120
Debbie Rochon: So the through line is Lloyd trusting you to create and come up with a

552
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:50,220
Debbie Rochon: memorable character,

553
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,880
Debbie Rochon: meaning it really is on you to shine, to show up with a

554
00:23:56,140 --> 00:23:57,520
Debbie Rochon: fully developed character,

555
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,620
Debbie Rochon: because he's not going to make that for you.

556
00:24:00,980 --> 00:24:03,260
Debbie Rochon: He's not one of those directors that sort of like,

557
00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:03,900
Debbie Rochon: you know,

558
00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:07,740
Debbie Rochon: takes actors hands. He encourages, he has stuff to say.

559
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,380
Debbie Rochon: But I mean,

560
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,760
Debbie Rochon: if you shine or do not shine in a movie,

561
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,820
Debbie Rochon: that's completely on you in one of his movies.

562
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:20,680
Debbie Rochon: It's what what work you have done and brought with you

563
00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:22,780
Debbie Rochon: and do when you're there.

564
00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:25,120
Debbie Rochon: That's always been the same.

565
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,760
Debbie Rochon: You know, that's never changed since Tromeo to today.

566
00:24:30,660 --> 00:24:34,700
Debbie Rochon: and his respect for departments,

567
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:38,120
Debbie Rochon: meaning that you need them.

568
00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:39,740
Debbie Rochon: You know, it doesn't matter.

569
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:40,600
Debbie Rochon: All this,

570
00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:41,020
Debbie Rochon: you know,

571
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:43,360
Debbie Rochon: the the post stuff, the AI stuff,

572
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,320
Debbie Rochon: all of this other stuff makes has no effect on him.

573
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:50,140
Debbie Rochon: It's like you need your art department.

574
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,660
Debbie Rochon: You need special effects.

575
00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:54,720
Debbie Rochon: You need, you know, five, six, seven departments,

576
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,240
Debbie Rochon: even if it's whittled down to at this point, like one or two people in them.

577
00:25:00,460 --> 00:25:03,480
Debbie Rochon: And sometimes there's five or six in them.

578
00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:06,780
Debbie Rochon: But you need to have like an art department.

579
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,820
Debbie Rochon: I love that about him because I don't see that enough in indie films

580
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:18,360
Debbie Rochon: where people take the time to really set dress a room to the character.

581
00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,040
Debbie Rochon: OK, you've rented the place.

582
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,400
Debbie Rochon: You've got the actors.

583
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,960
Debbie Rochon: You've spent all of this money,

584
00:25:24,130 --> 00:25:26,300
Debbie Rochon: but you're just shooting in a room.

585
00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:27,920
Debbie Rochon: how it is,

586
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,300
Debbie Rochon: not how it's going to reflect the character.

587
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:33,360
Debbie Rochon: Sounds so basic and obvious,

588
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:35,480
Debbie Rochon: but you'd be surprised,

589
00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:36,040
Debbie Rochon: you know?

590
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,980
Debbie Rochon: And so the amount of work that went into that was incredible.

591
00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:45,400
Debbie Rochon: And also the amount of work the DP put out

592
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,340
Debbie Rochon: and the whole film crew,

593
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,120
Debbie Rochon: it being black and white.

594
00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:50,520
Debbie Rochon: The rain.

595
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,539
Debbie Rochon: Lloyd at one point wanted every single scene in the movie

596
00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:55,960
Debbie Rochon: to be raining,

597
00:25:56,540 --> 00:25:57,340
Debbie Rochon: every one.

598
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,980
Debbie Rochon: But at some point it was like, well,

599
00:26:00,860 --> 00:26:03,060
Debbie Rochon: we can do the most dramatic

600
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:07,060
Debbie Rochon: ones with the storms and rain and all that.

601
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,800
Debbie Rochon: But it became like,

602
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,420
Debbie Rochon: even the building itself,

603
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:15,120
Debbie Rochon: the roof is so old it would leak.

604
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,060
Debbie Rochon: So when you would have all of the waterworks coming

605
00:26:19,060 --> 00:26:24,960
Debbie Rochon: off of the roof, it would start to come through in the house that we rented.

606
00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:26,780
Debbie Rochon: So no, you couldn't

607
00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:27,200
Debbie Rochon: do that.

608
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,540
Debbie Rochon: So there were sacrifices made,

609
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,680
Debbie Rochon: as there always is.

610
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,240
Debbie Rochon: But going back to Tromeo

611
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:35,680
Debbie Rochon: and Juliet,

612
00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:42,880
Debbie Rochon: I just remember the biggest thing the two films had in common, the through line,

613
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:49,900
Debbie Rochon: I would say the actors being that good,

614
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:51,720
Debbie Rochon: all of the actors.

615
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:55,700
Debbie Rochon: And I love all of the characters in Power of Positive Murder,

616
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,380
Debbie Rochon: and I love all of the

617
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:59,960
Debbie Rochon: characters seriously in Trome and Juliet.

618
00:27:00,860 --> 00:27:01,660
Debbie Rochon: I just do.

619
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,680
Debbie Rochon: I think everybody is there.

620
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Debbie Rochon: They showed up.

621
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,420
Debbie Rochon: They're present.

622
00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:07,060
Debbie Rochon: They're giving it all.

623
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:09,940
Debbie Rochon: They're leaving nothing on the table.

624
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:12,440
Debbie Rochon: And they're just shining.

625
00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:23,060
Debbie Rochon: And that was a beautiful James Gunn-Lloyd Kaufman collab because it kind of brought

626
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,180
Debbie Rochon: him -- at that point,

627
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,660
Debbie Rochon: everybody was -- and when I say everybody, I don't mean the fans,

628
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:29,580
Debbie Rochon: I mean the critics,

629
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,520
Debbie Rochon: which prior to the internet, it was all what was going on in the newspapers

630
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,480
Debbie Rochon: and magazines.

631
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:36,320
Debbie Rochon: And they were all like, "Oh yeah,

632
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,820
Debbie Rochon: you know, more of the same Troma stuff over there,

633
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:40,920
Debbie Rochon: silly."

634
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,100
Debbie Rochon: But no, all of a sudden,

635
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,800
Debbie Rochon: boom,

636
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,160
Debbie Rochon: reset.

637
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,020
Debbie Rochon: Troméon and Juliet resetted Troma.

638
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:49,460
Debbie Rochon: It did.

639
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:53,000
Debbie Rochon: And then it went on and then this is,

640
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,260
Debbie Rochon: I wouldn't say that this is a reset.

641
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,960
Debbie Rochon: This is more just a self-acknowledgement, but having fun with it.

642
00:28:01,140 --> 00:28:01,900
Debbie Rochon: Like we were talking about,

643
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:03,000
Debbie Rochon: you know, the age thing.

644
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:03,480
Debbie Rochon: I don't know.

645
00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:05,460
Debbie Rochon: That's what I think.

646
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:08,260
Debbie Rochon: Both I'm really proud of.

647
00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:09,340
Debbie Rochon: And what bookends,

648
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,640
Debbie Rochon: oh my god.

649
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,860
Debbie Rochon: What bookends!

650
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:13,820
Zack Beins: Incredible.

651
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:15,520
Zack Beins: Just seeing you in that,

652
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:18,340
Zack Beins: it's just super cool to see.

653
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,900
Zack Beins: And just like kind of knowing your journey through Tromaville and seeing,

654
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:25,580
Zack Beins: it just feels

655
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,300
Zack Beins: like a feather in everybody's cap.

656
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:28,900
Zack Beins: It's so cool.

657
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:30,140
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

658
00:28:30,580 --> 00:28:32,280
Debbie Rochon: I would really agree.

659
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,640
Debbie Rochon: 100%.

660
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,820
Debbie Rochon: Lots to be proud of, there are a lot.

661
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,500
Zack Beins: And it seems like also,

662
00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:41,100
Zack Beins: which is cool,

663
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Zack Beins: a lot of his movies that you're in

664
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:47,100
Zack Beins: are finally starting to get their flowers,

665
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,340
Zack Beins: like "Terra Firma," and I just watched

666
00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:53,380
Zack Beins: the new documentary on that, that you're in,

667
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,420
Zack Beins: is getting its flowers,

668
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,020
Zack Beins: and how it just captured

669
00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:59,860
Zack Beins: another slice of Tromaville,

670
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:01,680
Zack Beins: very different from "Tromeo"

671
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:02,980
Zack Beins: and "Positive Murder"

672
00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:04,340
Zack Beins: in that sense.

673
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,760
Zack Beins: definitely the more anarchic of his stuff,

674
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Zack Beins: but also,

675
00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:15,000
Zack Beins: so it's just so neat to see that getting its respect as well.

676
00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:20,700
Debbie Rochon: I love that so much because for a really long time

677
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,500
Debbie Rochon: and now Power's putting that to the test,

678
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:24,440
Debbie Rochon: I have to be honest,

679
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:27,980
Debbie Rochon: but "Terra Firma" was my favorite Troma movie.

680
00:29:28,540 --> 00:29:29,320
Debbie Rochon: And I would tell people,

681
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,260
Debbie Rochon: please understand,

682
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:32,180
Debbie Rochon: no, it's not because I was in it.

683
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Debbie Rochon: just pound for pound,

684
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Debbie Rochon: second for second worth of comedy.

685
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,100
Debbie Rochon: It's just like endless.

686
00:29:41,420 --> 00:29:50,700
Debbie Rochon: Like it's just eye candy of jokes and gags and lots of story and lots of

687
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:51,200
Debbie Rochon: everything.

688
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:56,820
Debbie Rochon: And it just kind of captured that whole 90s punk aesthetic and vibe.

689
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,580
Debbie Rochon: And it had the real people in it. Like not just people from the Luna Chicks and

690
00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:05,680
Debbie Rochon: Toilet Boys that had real people,

691
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,380
Debbie Rochon: like East Village Underground artists, all had roles

692
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:10,700
Debbie Rochon: in it.

693
00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:12,340
Debbie Rochon: It was so authentic.

694
00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:15,040
Debbie Rochon: And it was epic in scope.

695
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,680
Debbie Rochon: There was just a cast of thousands.

696
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:18,920
Debbie Rochon: I mean, really.

697
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,840
Debbie Rochon: You had some people that were within a year or two were also in a John Waters movie.

698
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,000
Debbie Rochon: And so it was just this 90s thing.

699
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,820
Debbie Rochon: And behind the scenes were just as insane.

700
00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:36,640
Debbie Rochon: And yet somehow it did not stifle this whatsoever.

701
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:42,240
Debbie Rochon: If anything, it sort of gave it another sort of level of sheen,

702
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Debbie Rochon: if you will.

703
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:44,060
Debbie Rochon: Right.

704
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:44,680
Debbie Rochon: Exactly.

705
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,140
Debbie Rochon: It's one of the few times where total anarchy,

706
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,760
Debbie Rochon: total anarchy behind the scenes fed into and

707
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,260
Debbie Rochon: flavored and gave to the project, I found.

708
00:30:58,820 --> 00:31:07,680
Zack Beins: I love movies like Terra Firma where it is a time capsule of not only a time but it's

709
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:12,760
Zack Beins: a time capsule of Troma at that time and it's a time capsule of New York City at that

710
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:19,740
Zack Beins: time with the actual people who all were doing that stuff anyways but it's all captured on

711
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,780
Zack Beins: film like Troma has Vegas in space which is a time capsule of the drag scene in San

712
00:31:24,580 --> 00:31:26,520
Zack Beins: Francisco of that time.

713
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:31,660
Zack Beins: Terra Firma is the underground weirdo scene of New York City at that time.

714
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,340
Zack Beins: And it's just so cool to see.

715
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,060
Zack Beins: And that's something I didn't realize until watching the newer documentary is

716
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:43,840
Zack Beins: how many of the people were just walking in from doing this all the time and

717
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,520
Zack Beins: essentially playing a lot of themselves on camera, which is just just neat to

718
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:48,820
Zack Beins: see.

719
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:50,420
Debbie Rochon: Yes,

720
00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:51,320
Debbie Rochon: I could.

721
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Debbie Rochon: I couldn't agree more.

722
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Debbie Rochon: and I give a lot of that credit.

723
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,040
Debbie Rochon: Lloyd Kaufman has a massive talent

724
00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:00,720
Debbie Rochon: for knowing how to choose people.

725
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Debbie Rochon: So when he chose to have his lead actor, Will Keenan,

726
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,080
Debbie Rochon: be his right hand man on this again,

727
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:11,540
Debbie Rochon: another masterful decision.

728
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:16,900
Debbie Rochon: Why? Because Will Keenan was the conduit

729
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,740
Debbie Rochon: to these people,

730
00:32:19,140 --> 00:32:20,440
Debbie Rochon: knew these people,

731
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400
Debbie Rochon: was able to bring a lot of them on board.

732
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,480
Debbie Rochon: And so he has to be credited with that.

733
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,200
Debbie Rochon: And

734
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:37,700
Debbie Rochon: so just how Lloyd teams up when it goes, it has that certain magic, if you will, that

735
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:40,180
Debbie Rochon: certain click that was meant to be.

736
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:42,280
Debbie Rochon: That's what comes of it.

737
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Debbie Rochon: And that's the perfect example.

738
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Debbie Rochon: Like it happened on Tromeo and Juliet with James Gunn.

739
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,940
Debbie Rochon: It happened on Terra Firma with Will Keenan,

740
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,680
Debbie Rochon: meaning his right hand person was,

741
00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:55,480
Debbie Rochon: boom,

742
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:55,960
Debbie Rochon: the

743
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,460
Debbie Rochon: perfect person at the perfect time.

744
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:06,620
Zack Beins: Even still, like when you think of like Tromeo and Terra Firma and all of that,

745
00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:07,520
Zack Beins: everybody

746
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,780
Zack Beins: gets a chance to shine.

747
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,320
Zack Beins: And in all of those movies,

748
00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:13,400
Zack Beins: you were very noticeable,

749
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Zack Beins: but also very different,

750
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,500
Zack Beins: a very

751
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:22,240
Zack Beins: different character in all of those movies where I think that's something that that you

752
00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:25,780
Zack Beins: should definitely get your flowers for because not.

753
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:28,540
Zack Beins: It's easy, I think,

754
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,020
Zack Beins: to write people off with low budget films like,

755
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:33,900
Zack Beins: oh, you're just,

756
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:34,560
Zack Beins: you

757
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,340
Zack Beins: know, doing the same thing over and over.

758
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Zack Beins: you're very different personality and character

759
00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:43,320
Zack Beins: and believable and every single one of these things

760
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,740
Zack Beins: is a very different person

761
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,600
Zack Beins: where you forget you're watching Debbie Rochon,

762
00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:52,620
Zack Beins: you're transported into the character of Ness or Christine.

763
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:52,900
Zack Beins: Mm-hmm.

764
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:53,040
Zack Beins: Yeah,

765
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,020
Zack Beins: so it's-

766
00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:58,580
Debbie Rochon: And I appreciate that a lot because when Time Out magazine,

767
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,800
Debbie Rochon: when Tara Firmer came out and Time Out magazine

768
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:05,620
Debbie Rochon: did an article on it,

769
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Debbie Rochon: I think it was Maitland McDonough,

770
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:12,200
Debbie Rochon: if I'm saying her last name properly, I believe so,

771
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:17,480
Debbie Rochon: who also wrote for Fangoria, by the way, and a whole bunch of very highly esteemed places.

772
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,240
Debbie Rochon: And she reviewed it,

773
00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:23,040
Debbie Rochon: and it was the most scathing,

774
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:24,620
Debbie Rochon: horrifying,

775
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:26,220
Debbie Rochon: you can probably still find it

776
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:26,639
Debbie Rochon: online,

777
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,399
Debbie Rochon: said like really horrible,

778
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:35,120
Debbie Rochon: like I think the fact that it got personal was the

779
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Debbie Rochon: thing. It wasn't even about the movie.

780
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:37,940
Debbie Rochon: And I bring it up

781
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,440
Debbie Rochon: because of what you said, right?

782
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,860
Debbie Rochon: Because she was like,

783
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:41,500
Debbie Rochon: you know,

784
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:41,940
Debbie Rochon: bait,

785
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:43,620
Debbie Rochon: I'm paraphrasing, but you know,

786
00:34:43,860 --> 00:34:44,620
Debbie Rochon: just look at her.

787
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:45,060
Debbie Rochon: She's a

788
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,260
Debbie Rochon: bottom of the barrel scream queen.

789
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Debbie Rochon: And look at you know,

790
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,280
Debbie Rochon: Lloyd with his you know, blah, blah, blah,

791
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,200
Debbie Rochon: whatever she said.

792
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,919
Debbie Rochon: And it was so bad that everybody in the office was like,

793
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:55,260
Debbie Rochon: what

794
00:34:55,379 --> 00:34:57,180
Debbie Rochon: next time I went there, they were kind of like,

795
00:34:58,580 --> 00:34:59,520
Debbie Rochon: not not I

796
00:34:59,540 --> 00:35:02,440
Debbie Rochon: don't say scared, but they felt so bad.

797
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:04,180
Debbie Rochon: And and to me, I was

798
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,420
Debbie Rochon: like,

799
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:08,400
Debbie Rochon: "I bet she didn't even get that I was doing a character.

800
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Debbie Rochon: Like, I really feel like the way that she wrote about it.

801
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:13,220
Debbie Rochon: And that's why I bring it up to you."

802
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:13,360
Debbie Rochon: Like,

803
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,820
Debbie Rochon: thank God there's people today,

804
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:17,280
Debbie Rochon: all those years later,

805
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:19,720
Debbie Rochon: when there's other things to sort of compare it to,

806
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:20,800
Debbie Rochon: can understand

807
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,300
Debbie Rochon: that it is, in fact, a character.

808
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,780
Debbie Rochon: You know, there is actually really bimbo characters

809
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,300
Debbie Rochon: that aren't bimbo actresses, right?

810
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,380
Debbie Rochon: And when Lloyd said,

811
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:33,140
Debbie Rochon: well,

812
00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:35,400
Debbie Rochon: gave that role to me, he's like,

813
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,980
Debbie Rochon: OK, so this is just a conglomerate,

814
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:40,180
Debbie Rochon: if you will,

815
00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:45,800
Debbie Rochon: of like all the crazy actresses I've ever worked with. So that's like sort of for me,

816
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:48,580
Debbie Rochon: that's like the invitation to just go,

817
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,200
Debbie Rochon: OK,

818
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,500
Debbie Rochon: I get it. I understand what that is. Yeah.

819
00:35:52,340 --> 00:35:53,120
Debbie Rochon: Go nuts.

820
00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:53,960
Debbie Rochon: But yeah,

821
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,980
Debbie Rochon: so I mean, I'm not underlying what you're saying with a negative,

822
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,820
Debbie Rochon: but I'm sort of

823
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Debbie Rochon: saying,

824
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,500
Debbie Rochon: I appreciate that we've come this far around and that we could talk

825
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,720
Debbie Rochon: about it this way and it not be, you know, somebody who's just looking at,

826
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:08,460
Debbie Rochon: uh,

827
00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:11,520
Debbie Rochon: just assuming that that's also the person.

828
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:12,860
Zack Beins: Which is funny.

829
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,280
Zack Beins: I feel like with,

830
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:17,260
Zack Beins: you know, the big budget Hollywood blockbusters,

831
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:17,940
Zack Beins: like

832
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:19,900
Zack Beins: nobody's like, oh, well, you know,

833
00:36:20,060 --> 00:36:20,420
Zack Beins: that's,

834
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Zack Beins: that's how,

835
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:22,020
Zack Beins: uh,

836
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:22,820
Zack Beins: you know, Emma

837
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,300
Zack Beins: Stone is in real life,

838
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:28,000
Zack Beins: like not her characters, but for underground movies,

839
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:29,900
Zack Beins: people like, oh, that's that,

840
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,720
Zack Beins: you know, that's Debbie Rochon,

841
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:32,700
Zack Beins: exactly how she

842
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,220
Zack Beins: is in,

843
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:34,640
Zack Beins: in Terror Firmer,

844
00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:40,880
Zack Beins: and it's like, no, like she's an actress and you're,

845
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,880
Zack Beins: I guess that speaks volumes to how good you do.

846
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:45,640
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

847
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:45,880
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

848
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:46,940
Debbie Rochon: It has to be,

849
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,160
Debbie Rochon: I mean, it's gotta be something like that because yeah.

850
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,020
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

851
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,240
Debbie Rochon: It's yeah, it's been a wild ride boy.

852
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:57,120
Debbie Rochon: What a and what an amazing bringing it all to power.

853
00:36:57,310 --> 00:37:01,020
Debbie Rochon: I feel like it's all been going there

854
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,620
Debbie Rochon: and I can't wait to people see it.

855
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:04,900
Debbie Rochon: So we could talk about that.

856
00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:05,580
Zack Beins: I know.

857
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,580
Zack Beins: I went once it's out, we'll have to get a bunch of people

858
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:12,680
Zack Beins: around and do a round table and I'll talk about it.

859
00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:15,000
Debbie Rochon: Yes, absolutely true.

860
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Debbie Rochon: Yep.

861
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,240
Zack Beins: Also just kind of pivoting a bit

862
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,040
Zack Beins: because this is our April Fool's episode,

863
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,880
Zack Beins: I wanna know what are some of the craziest things

864
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:27,840
Zack Beins: you've ever seen happen on a Troma set?

865
00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:30,120
Zack Beins: And I know there's stories out there

866
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,980
Zack Beins: that aren't in the documentaries

867
00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:35,000
Zack Beins: or that you've walked through the office

868
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,160
Zack Beins: and here's something random and silly or crazy

869
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,620
Zack Beins: that you've seen that just people should hear

870
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,020
Zack Beins: 'cause it's funny.

871
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,240
Debbie Rochon: Well,

872
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:49,420
Debbie Rochon: there is one that I could say about Lemmy.

873
00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:50,240
Zack Beins: Yes.

874
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,140
Debbie Rochon: Because he's I think I say it in the new vinegar syndrome release.

875
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,140
Debbie Rochon: So it's not like breaking news or anything,

876
00:37:59,940 --> 00:38:01,880
Debbie Rochon: but he's such a character.

877
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Debbie Rochon: He's such a good man.

878
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:07,720
Debbie Rochon: Like there's so many great stories about him that I could see something like this.

879
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,240
Debbie Rochon: And it would actually be funny.

880
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:11,840
Debbie Rochon: And it's not derogatory whatsoever,

881
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:14,820
Debbie Rochon: considering the amount of people in his

882
00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:15,920
Debbie Rochon: career that he's helped.

883
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,740
Debbie Rochon: So I could say something like this.

884
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,060
Debbie Rochon: He said basically,

885
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:22,060
Debbie Rochon: I can't remember

886
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,260
Debbie Rochon: if it was James,

887
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,540
Debbie Rochon: it was probably James that wanted to get Lemmy for the Tromeo,

888
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:28,940
Debbie Rochon: which

889
00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:33,000
Debbie Rochon: was Lemmy's first of many appearances in Troma movies.

890
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,480
Debbie Rochon: And so he did the Tromeo and Juliet

891
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,300
Debbie Rochon: narrator and then they asked him to come back for Tara Firmer.

892
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:44,180
Debbie Rochon: So I remember after shooting

893
00:38:44,180 --> 00:38:48,860
Debbie Rochon: a long day, one of the PAs came up and he said,

894
00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:52,460
Debbie Rochon: "Lemmy's coming in from the airport

895
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,100
Debbie Rochon: like tonight,

896
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:55,220
Debbie Rochon: like right now,

897
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,700
Debbie Rochon: but he's only going to get in the limo if there's like chicks

898
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,340
Debbie Rochon: and drugs.

899
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,420
Debbie Rochon: So I'm just trying to find somebody, you don't have to do anything,

900
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,020
Debbie Rochon: you don't have

901
00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:09,000
Debbie Rochon: to do the drugs or him or like whatever,

902
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:14,160
Debbie Rochon: just physically so that it looks like there's people

903
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,460
Debbie Rochon: And I was like,

904
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:18,180
Debbie Rochon: I know,

905
00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:19,260
Debbie Rochon: so exhausted. I was like,

906
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:19,920
Debbie Rochon: no,

907
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,260
Debbie Rochon: as I was just really the concept

908
00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:25,640
Debbie Rochon: I was just like, that's really uncomfortable.

909
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,720
Debbie Rochon: I wasn't judging it,

910
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:28,440
Debbie Rochon: mind you.

911
00:39:28,780 --> 00:39:29,100
Debbie Rochon: But at the

912
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:30,320
Debbie Rochon: same time, I was just like,

913
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:31,920
Debbie Rochon: no,

914
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:34,320
Debbie Rochon: because I didn't know him personally.

915
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:36,160
Debbie Rochon: Right. So I couldn't

916
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,080
Debbie Rochon: have made that decision,

917
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,180
Debbie Rochon: which turned turned out everything was like,

918
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,480
Debbie Rochon: great and fine and

919
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,100
Debbie Rochon: no problem with whatever happened, like whoever went and all this kind of stuff.

920
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,540
Debbie Rochon: But that's what he that's how he was going to get into a limo and come to

921
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:53,220
Debbie Rochon: Tromaville.

922
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:57,540
Debbie Rochon: And that was the only way he was going to get in a limo is if these

923
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,720
Debbie Rochon: elements were in place.

924
00:39:59,310 --> 00:39:59,440
Debbie Rochon: Now,

925
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:02,580
Debbie Rochon: that makes him sound like a crazy man and not a

926
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,980
Debbie Rochon: nice man. But in fact,

927
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,880
Debbie Rochon: if you know Lemmy, know stories of Lemmy or hear anybody

928
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,720
Debbie Rochon: talk about him,

929
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,140
Debbie Rochon: who he's changed their life through helping them.

930
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:14,460
Debbie Rochon: You would be like,

931
00:40:14,980 --> 00:40:16,680
Debbie Rochon: that's just him having fun,

932
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,740
Debbie Rochon: like having a laugh on or having

933
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,260
Debbie Rochon: whatever,

934
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:26,840
Debbie Rochon: you know, because he's not that the sleazy guy that comes across to be

935
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,080
Debbie Rochon: you know, that Lemmy is a great guy that should always be honored.

936
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,240
Debbie Rochon: And amazing

937
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:38,180
Debbie Rochon: that he kept coming back to Tromaville to support Lloyd and the Tromites.

938
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:38,600
Debbie Rochon: You know,

939
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,420
Debbie Rochon: he kept doing it.

940
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,940
Debbie Rochon: But yeah, so that was that was I don't know why,

941
00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:49,180
Debbie Rochon: but that kind of sticks out for me as a wild and crazy moment.

942
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,360
Debbie Rochon: I think some of the stuff with Doug Sackman and Can

943
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Debbie Rochon: was was really wild.

944
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:02,080
Debbie Rochon: I mean, we were just you know, you would see all of these,

945
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Debbie Rochon: you know,

946
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,820
Debbie Rochon: galas and, you know, really expensive places and red

947
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,440
Debbie Rochon: carpets and stuff. And,

948
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:09,900
Debbie Rochon: you know, there we were with our,

949
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Debbie Rochon: our, you know, homemade signs that we made up in the,

950
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:13,140
Debbie Rochon: in the

951
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:15,560
Debbie Rochon: little room that we rented for, you know,

952
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,220
Debbie Rochon: 30 people to sleep in.

953
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:18,140
Debbie Rochon: And,

954
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,680
Debbie Rochon: um, so we have the signs made there and we go out there,

955
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Debbie Rochon: you know, we had spray paint, we'd be yelling and screaming

956
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:30,440
Debbie Rochon: and anything because, you know, we can't afford those big

957
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,560
Debbie Rochon: posters that some of the companies had that, you know, you're driving down,

958
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,940
Debbie Rochon: you know, the the crescent there,

959
00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:39,920
Debbie Rochon: if I'm saying it right, it's been so long.

960
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Debbie Rochon: I can't remember how to say it right.

961
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:43,320
Debbie Rochon: But you know where I mean?

962
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,080
Debbie Rochon: Yes, I mean, brag there and you're driving down, you see, you know,

963
00:41:47,220 --> 00:41:49,160
Debbie Rochon: the beautiful posters were like,

964
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,380
Debbie Rochon: yeah, well,

965
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:52,120
Debbie Rochon: that's not going to happen.

966
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:52,860
Debbie Rochon: So instead,

967
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:54,400
Debbie Rochon: when these people are driving down,

968
00:41:54,740 --> 00:41:55,340
Debbie Rochon: we're going to, you know,

969
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:56,500
Debbie Rochon: entertain them a bit.

970
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:59,700
Debbie Rochon: So, I mean, that stuff was that was pretty wild.

971
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,260
Debbie Rochon: and some people that I saw there,

972
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,340
Debbie Rochon: I didn't see anything with my eyes.

973
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:09,860
Debbie Rochon: But I would tell you that there was a lot of people,

974
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Debbie Rochon: not with Troma,

975
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,400
Debbie Rochon: but I knew from like various film projects or whatever,

976
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,400
Debbie Rochon: doing some like really like interesting meetups.

977
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,740
Debbie Rochon: We'll just leave it at that.

978
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,900
Debbie Rochon: I mean, that that's kind of like and it's funny for them

979
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:35,560
Debbie Rochon: to sort of tag Trome as bad guys when in fact the debauchery level is off the hook out there.

980
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:41,980
Debbie Rochon: And then you also have some really beautiful things going on as well, but the debauchery

981
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,540
Debbie Rochon: is right in your face.

982
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Debbie Rochon: It's crazy.

983
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,960
Debbie Rochon: I don't have a really great April Fool's story,

984
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:51,779
Debbie Rochon: but

985
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:55,120
Debbie Rochon: just like a lot of memories like that, like stuff that you would never see

986
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:58,180
Debbie Rochon: with a group of people that were their whole,

987
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,540
Debbie Rochon: you know, they're a production

988
00:42:59,740 --> 00:43:04,300
Debbie Rochon: company and so they want to put off certain errors to be taken seriously.

989
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:06,040
Debbie Rochon: We were always the opposite.

990
00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:09,920
Debbie Rochon: And I was so way more comfortable with that because of that.

991
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:14,160
Debbie Rochon: Not because you're not, you don't have to try or work hard,

992
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,540
Debbie Rochon: but because that

993
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:17,700
Debbie Rochon: was sort of where I came out of, you know,

994
00:43:18,020 --> 00:43:21,800
Debbie Rochon: the true underground punk thing and,

995
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:22,380
Debbie Rochon: you know,

996
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:28,480
Debbie Rochon: everything from being a homeless teen, all that stuff. So it seemed like a natural struggle,

997
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:29,320
Debbie Rochon: if you will.

998
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:37,180
Debbie Rochon: I was more relating to the underdog by far and still creating art than,

999
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:39,140
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1000
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:44,520
Debbie Rochon: doing-- I was more comfortable-- let me just put it this way-- I was more comfortable,

1001
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:49,960
Debbie Rochon: or not for doing insane stuff on film for the sake of art.

1002
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,880
Debbie Rochon: Then I was doing crazy,

1003
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:53,960
Debbie Rochon: insane stuff

1004
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,800
Debbie Rochon: behind the scenes with people to get ahead,

1005
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:59,780
Debbie Rochon: which I never did ever.

1006
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:01,420
Debbie Rochon: So that's why,

1007
00:44:01,580 --> 00:44:03,560
Debbie Rochon: you know, in some certain ways I didn't.

1008
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,040
Debbie Rochon: And yet, you know, I'm very happy with what I've done.

1009
00:44:06,060 --> 00:44:07,480
Debbie Rochon: So it's not even a complaint.

1010
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,220
Debbie Rochon: It's just the nature of the business, right?

1011
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:11,900
Zack Beins: Very true.

1012
00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:17,160
Zack Beins: And I think on that is a good segue into the main part.

1013
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,740
Zack Beins: The most insane,

1014
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:25,960
Zack Beins: crazy thing ever committed to mini DV tape.

1015
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:27,900
Zack Beins: I say so annoyed,

1016
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,660
Zack Beins: but it was,

1017
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:31,360
Zack Beins: it's definitely a mini DV tape,

1018
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:32,980
Zack Beins: Doggie Tails.

1019
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,420
Zack Beins: And for those out there driving,

1020
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:38,240
Zack Beins: please don't watch along, but you could listen along.

1021
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:40,440
Zack Beins: If you're at home,

1022
00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:42,300
Zack Beins: cue up your DVD player.

1023
00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:46,840
Zack Beins: We'll also have this on our channels synced up with the film as well.

1024
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:47,680
Zack Beins: Um,

1025
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:52,120
Zack Beins: so I'm going to give people a countdown and then we can start the film

1026
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:53,360
Zack Beins: and,

1027
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:54,900
Zack Beins: and all that good stuff.

1028
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:56,000
Zack Beins: Three,

1029
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,380
Zack Beins: two,

1030
00:44:58,060 --> 00:44:58,480
Zack Beins: one.

1031
00:44:59,780 --> 00:45:04,060
Zack Beins: Greetings TromaVille and I'm Zack Beins with the Talkin' Troma podcast.

1032
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:09,120
Zack Beins: Alongside of me is legendary icon Debbie Rochon here.

1033
00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:12,460
Zack Beins: for the commentary of Doggie Tails.

1034
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:14,280
Zack Beins: Who knew?

1035
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,940
Debbie Rochon: But it has been demanded that we do this, so here we are.

1036
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:22,780
Zack Beins: This might be one of the most important films

1037
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,600
Zack Beins: in Troma's library, Doggie Tails,

1038
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,580
Zack Beins: volume one,

1039
00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:27,980
Zack Beins: Lucky's First Sleepover.

1040
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:31,560
Debbie Rochon: Was there a volume two?

1041
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,180
Zack Beins: I don't even know if they ever planned a volume two.

1042
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,480
Zack Beins: (laughing)

1043
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:40,480
Debbie Rochon: I'm sure that they hoped for a volume two,

1044
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,820
Debbie Rochon: I guarantee you.

1045
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:45,660
Zack Beins: I think the problem was they marketed the film

1046
00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:49,620
Zack Beins: more towards children instead of stone teenagers

1047
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,460
Zack Beins: who love dogs.

1048
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:52,660
Zack Beins: (laughs)

1049
00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:53,740
Debbie Rochon: Right,

1050
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:54,500
Debbie Rochon: exactly,

1051
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:54,800
Debbie Rochon: yeah,

1052
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:55,300
Debbie Rochon: exactly,

1053
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:55,820
Debbie Rochon: exactly.

1054
00:45:56,050 --> 00:45:58,800
Debbie Rochon: I think it was a great idea,

1055
00:45:59,380 --> 00:46:02,700
Debbie Rochon: and who knew that Tromavelle would come out

1056
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:04,080
Debbie Rochon: with a family film?

1057
00:46:05,780 --> 00:46:07,900
Debbie Rochon: Which here we are, this is it.

1058
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:10,980
Debbie Rochon: And oh,

1059
00:46:11,590 --> 00:46:13,300
Debbie Rochon: should we just jump into the story?

1060
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:14,920
Zack Beins: Yeah, let's just jump right in.

1061
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:16,060
Zack Beins: Real quick,

1062
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,260
Zack Beins: that's Academy Award nominee Charlotte Kaufman

1063
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:21,740
Zack Beins: alongside of President of Trump Entertainment,

1064
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:22,580
Zack Beins: Lloyd Kaufman.

1065
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,760
Debbie Rochon: Isn't that cute?

1066
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:26,800
Debbie Rochon: Look at that,

1067
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:27,620
Debbie Rochon: look at that.

1068
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:28,380
Debbie Rochon: Now,

1069
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:32,140
Debbie Rochon: that they actually scripted and filmed,

1070
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:34,120
Debbie Rochon: But the rest of it,

1071
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,560
Debbie Rochon: they literally went to Central Park

1072
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,340
Debbie Rochon: with a couple of like, you know,

1073
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:41,660
Debbie Rochon: DV cams, small ones,

1074
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,480
Debbie Rochon: and filmed random people

1075
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,740
Debbie Rochon: with their dogs with nothing particular going on

1076
00:46:47,830 --> 00:46:50,000
Debbie Rochon: other than the dogs just doing what they would do

1077
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,460
Debbie Rochon: in the park anyway.

1078
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,160
Debbie Rochon: And took hours and hours of that footage

1079
00:46:55,780 --> 00:46:58,960
Debbie Rochon: and just like made this story work.

1080
00:46:59,570 --> 00:47:01,860
Debbie Rochon: I kind of forced it together, this footage.

1081
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,100
Debbie Rochon: of just like random,

1082
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,140
Debbie Rochon: do you know what I'm saying?

1083
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,160
Debbie Rochon: Like there was no script.

1084
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:09,460
Debbie Rochon: They just shot dogs in the park for many hours.

1085
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:11,220
Zack Beins: I for one am shocked actually.

1086
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,660
Zack Beins: I'm first learning there was no script to "Doggie Tails,"

1087
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:15,660
Zack Beins: Lucky's first sleepover.

1088
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,140
Debbie Rochon: Right.

1089
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:18,580
Debbie Rochon: (both laughing)

1090
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,560
Debbie Rochon: Who needed one?

1091
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:22,520
Debbie Rochon: I don't know.

1092
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:25,160
Debbie Rochon: I find it fascinating that,

1093
00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:26,000
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1094
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,980
Debbie Rochon: you could take that much footage and just,

1095
00:47:28,410 --> 00:47:28,760
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1096
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Debbie Rochon: make it seem like it kind of sort of makes sense.

1097
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:36,820
Debbie Rochon: And it's the beauty of the fact that it kind of doesn't

1098
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,460
Debbie Rochon: in a way, like it doesn't go from a close up

1099
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,500
Debbie Rochon: from this guy and he's gonna do that,

1100
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:44,760
Debbie Rochon: but it was all put together visually.

1101
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:46,320
Debbie Rochon: And then afterwards,

1102
00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:48,580
Debbie Rochon: okay, we're gonna figure out a story

1103
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:49,500
Debbie Rochon: from the footage.

1104
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,260
Zack Beins: So how did you become involved

1105
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:54,980
Zack Beins: in the Doggie Tails project?

1106
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:56,880
Debbie Rochon: Well,

1107
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:01,960
Debbie Rochon: you know, it's one of those things that as the artists call,

1108
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,920
Debbie Rochon: you must answer the call to the art.

1109
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,480
Debbie Rochon: And the art this time was, I actually did two voices,

1110
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,540
Debbie Rochon: one for Roxy and one for another dog.

1111
00:48:14,540 --> 00:48:18,720
Debbie Rochon: I can't remember. I think they either cut the whole

1112
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:20,300
Debbie Rochon: character out,

1113
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,680
Debbie Rochon: meaning the dog, out of the scenes.

1114
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:24,240
Debbie Rochon: He really wasn't doing anything.

1115
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,820
Debbie Rochon: Or I did a crappy job. I don't know.

1116
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:29,500
Debbie Rochon: Who knows?

1117
00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:32,020
Debbie Rochon: But I'm one voice and I was going to be two.

1118
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:35,360
Debbie Rochon: And I think it was Gabe Friedman or the director,

1119
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,020
Debbie Rochon: Paul,

1120
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,160
Debbie Rochon: said,

1121
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Debbie Rochon: called me up, "Hey, come on down to Troma and do the

1122
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:44,940
Debbie Rochon: the voice for one of the characters,

1123
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,820
Debbie Rochon: the characters in the movie."

1124
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:50,700
Debbie Rochon: And there was just like a whole bunch of lines.

1125
00:48:50,940 --> 00:48:54,060
Debbie Rochon: and I did them and that was it.

1126
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,760
Debbie Rochon: And I thought,

1127
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,860
Debbie Rochon: wow, this must have been really ambitious,

1128
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:58,660
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1129
00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:02,300
Debbie Rochon: getting all this footage together of these trained dogs.

1130
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,600
Debbie Rochon: I hadn't seen anything yet.

1131
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:04,420
Debbie Rochon: They were like,

1132
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,740
Debbie Rochon: trained dogs.

1133
00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:07,240
Debbie Rochon: We just went to Central Park,

1134
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,780
Debbie Rochon: shot a bunch of dogs just milling about

1135
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:11,580
Debbie Rochon: and, you know,

1136
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:13,460
Debbie Rochon: clobbered something together.

1137
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:14,040
Debbie Rochon: And I was like,

1138
00:49:14,580 --> 00:49:14,660
Debbie Rochon: OK,

1139
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:15,480
Debbie Rochon: cool.

1140
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:15,860
Debbie Rochon: Like,

1141
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:17,480
Debbie Rochon: right. Like you see this part here.

1142
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,940
Debbie Rochon: But nobody's nobody's telling anybody what to do.

1143
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:21,820
Debbie Rochon: They're just

1144
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:22,740
Debbie Rochon: dogs running.

1145
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,440
Debbie Rochon: None of them are trained.

1146
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:31,620
Debbie Rochon: No, no, he's digging.

1147
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:32,800
Debbie Rochon: You know what I mean? Like that.

1148
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:33,620
Debbie Rochon: This is

1149
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:38,740
Debbie Rochon: just if I went and took footage of something, that's what this

1150
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:40,100
Debbie Rochon: is. And so that's where,

1151
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:40,800
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1152
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:42,300
Debbie Rochon: they did do this stuff

1153
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:46,300
Debbie Rochon: with Lloyd and his family, with some dogs at the vet.

1154
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,220
Debbie Rochon: I like to run.

1155
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:48,260
Debbie Rochon: But yeah,

1156
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:48,760
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1157
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,780
Debbie Rochon: but look at the,

1158
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:53,100
Debbie Rochon: look at the name value of the people doing voices in this.

1159
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:53,880
Zack Beins: This is,

1160
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:55,940
Zack Beins: and this isn't me being facetious.

1161
00:49:56,060 --> 00:50:00,340
Zack Beins: This has probably some of the biggest star power

1162
00:50:00,740 --> 00:50:04,200
Zack Beins: of any Troma movie that exists in their entire library.

1163
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:07,620
Zack Beins: Let's just run it down real quick.

1164
00:50:07,780 --> 00:50:10,520
Zack Beins: So there's you doing the voice of Roxy.

1165
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,760
Zack Beins: There is Academy Award nominee,

1166
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:14,840
Zack Beins: Charlotte Kaufman,

1167
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:16,640
Zack Beins: president of Trome Entertainment,

1168
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,480
Zack Beins: Lloyd Kaufman,

1169
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,300
Zack Beins: you know, basically playing themselves.

1170
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:20,880
Zack Beins: You have Jenna Fisher,

1171
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:22,020
Zack Beins: star of "The Office"

1172
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,200
Zack Beins: playing the puppy dog,

1173
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:23,660
Zack Beins: Kelsey,

1174
00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:26,920
Zack Beins: and the head of DC Films,

1175
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:28,820
Zack Beins: James Gunn,

1176
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,860
Zack Beins: playing Riley.

1177
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:30,320
Zack Beins: Like,

1178
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:34,040
Zack Beins: it is absolutely insane that all of you came together

1179
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,500
Zack Beins: for Doggie Tails,

1180
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,560
Zack Beins: like he's for sleepover.

1181
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,180
Debbie Rochon: Well, I mean, that's the whole thing.

1182
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:41,860
Debbie Rochon: isn't it? Just,

1183
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:46,680
Debbie Rochon: you know, people assisting others in, you know,

1184
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:47,920
Debbie Rochon: making it happen.

1185
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:51,420
Debbie Rochon: And, you know, back then when people had time to

1186
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,300
Debbie Rochon: do that, they may have had a lot going on, but they had the time

1187
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:54,860
Debbie Rochon: to help.

1188
00:50:55,020 --> 00:50:55,540
Debbie Rochon: They did.

1189
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:57,560
Debbie Rochon: So that says a lot about the people,

1190
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:58,360
Debbie Rochon: really,

1191
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:58,880
Debbie Rochon: doesn't it?

1192
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:59,360
Debbie Rochon: And,

1193
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,040
Debbie Rochon: you know, Gabe Friedman was a big,

1194
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,800
Debbie Rochon: not just

1195
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:04,720
Debbie Rochon: Paul, the director,

1196
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,560
Debbie Rochon: but Gabe Friedman had like a lot to do

1197
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,600
Debbie Rochon: with, obviously he was the guy stuck with all the footage.

1198
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,400
Debbie Rochon: (laughing)

1199
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:15,140
Debbie Rochon: There's gotta be a story in here somewhere.

1200
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:15,540
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1201
00:51:16,210 --> 00:51:17,560
Debbie Rochon: he would be another great guy

1202
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,620
Debbie Rochon: to talk about just how much footage he had to go through

1203
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:27,420
Debbie Rochon: to clobber together or paw together a story with this.

1204
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,820
Zack Beins: Fetching all that extra footage.

1205
00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:31,340
Debbie Rochon: Yeah, where are the extras?

1206
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,280
Debbie Rochon: Where are the deleted scenes of more dogs running?

1207
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,260
Debbie Rochon: (laughing)

1208
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,800
Zack Beins: There's probably hours of DV tape in the Troma archives

1209
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,500
Zack Beins: of these dogs just running around in the park.

1210
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:46,620
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

1211
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:47,660
Debbie Rochon: like look at them.

1212
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:50,060
Debbie Rochon: There was nobody was planning,

1213
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:51,620
Debbie Rochon: okay, get the black and white dog

1214
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,100
Debbie Rochon: to carry that ball in a sack over to the, you know,

1215
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,000
Debbie Rochon: the thing over there in the buckets.

1216
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Debbie Rochon: No, it was just like,

1217
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,260
Debbie Rochon: okay, just follow the dog.

1218
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:01,260
Debbie Rochon: We'll just,

1219
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:02,280
Debbie Rochon: whatever happens,

1220
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,580
Debbie Rochon: we'll figure it out later.

1221
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,140
Debbie Rochon: That's pretty genius.

1222
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,340
Debbie Rochon: It's right up there with my idea

1223
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,060
Debbie Rochon: how I think it would be so cool

1224
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:15,300
Debbie Rochon: to do a commentary track of a Yule log.

1225
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,220
Debbie Rochon: But I mean it,

1226
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:18,500
Debbie Rochon: like,

1227
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:20,460
Debbie Rochon: just like the guy, you know,

1228
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,760
Debbie Rochon: talking or the woman, like,

1229
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,640
Debbie Rochon: whomever's doing it,

1230
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,740
Debbie Rochon: oh, this is the part where I went in with the poker

1231
00:52:25,980 --> 00:52:27,760
Debbie Rochon: and I had to, like, get the flames going

1232
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,020
Debbie Rochon: and I had to put one log in,

1233
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,860
Debbie Rochon: but it had to be a certain way, like,

1234
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:32,840
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1235
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:34,860
Debbie Rochon: you can only get the hand in so far.

1236
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:39,640
Debbie Rochon: I mean, I really thought that would be a fun and funny thing to do.

1237
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,920
Debbie Rochon: But this is right up there, though.

1238
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:44,880
Debbie Rochon: Just go to sleep or play with your dog.

1239
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,660
Zack Beins: I don't think there's many audio commentaries out there

1240
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,000
Zack Beins: with renowned actresses over

1241
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,780
Zack Beins: almost a home video of dogs.

1242
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,420
Zack Beins: So I think that's really cool that this is happening

1243
00:53:00,820 --> 00:53:03,460
Zack Beins: and it's a part of cinema history now.

1244
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:07,540
Debbie Rochon: No, I really think, and I,

1245
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:08,200
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1246
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,300
Debbie Rochon: again, it's probably a Lloyd question or somebody

1247
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:11,620
Debbie Rochon: else,

1248
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:16,760
Debbie Rochon: but I think it did surprisingly really well.

1249
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,020
Debbie Rochon: And then,

1250
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,020
Debbie Rochon: I don't know why it ended.

1251
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:28,740
Debbie Rochon: I want to say that there was hopes to do like a series for like family films.

1252
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:32,540
Debbie Rochon: Like there would be a branch of Troma

1253
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,860
Debbie Rochon: making family type films and this was the beginning.

1254
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:40,200
Zack Beins: They even made a new logo at the beginning

1255
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:42,260
Zack Beins: with Toxie inside the paw print,

1256
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:43,920
Zack Beins: the family fun.

1257
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,180
Zack Beins: And I remember when this first came out,

1258
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:47,940
Zack Beins: I thought that was such a great idea

1259
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:51,140
Zack Beins: to introduce a younger generation into Troma movies.

1260
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:52,160
Zack Beins: Like maybe they could have put

1261
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:53,960
Zack Beins: the Toxic Crusaders stuff out.

1262
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:54,840
Zack Beins: Or even,

1263
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:56,620
Zack Beins: I know there's filmmakers out there

1264
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Zack Beins: who make kids' movies that are looking for distribution.

1265
00:54:01,220 --> 00:54:03,780
Zack Beins: And it would have been a cool kind of launching point

1266
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:04,520
Zack Beins: for that, I thought,

1267
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:04,860
Zack Beins: but.

1268
00:54:06,020 --> 00:54:06,420
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

1269
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:08,820
Debbie Rochon: I truly believe,

1270
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:09,580
Debbie Rochon: and again,

1271
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Debbie Rochon: they could tell me I'm wrong,

1272
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,060
Debbie Rochon: but at the time when I was there doing the voice

1273
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,920
Debbie Rochon: and all this stuff, everybody was talking about it,

1274
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,200
Debbie Rochon: that this was the beginning.

1275
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Debbie Rochon: This was the beginning,

1276
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,000
Debbie Rochon: but it turned out it was the beginning and the end.

1277
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:23,180
Debbie Rochon: Volume one.

1278
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:24,600
Debbie Rochon: And you know,

1279
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,620
Debbie Rochon: it's funny because Doggie Tails,

1280
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:29,600
Debbie Rochon: Lucky's first sleepover,

1281
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,780
Debbie Rochon: even the name Lucky,

1282
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,780
Debbie Rochon: people would ask me who had never seen it.

1283
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,280
Debbie Rochon: Is that like a porn movie?

1284
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,500
Debbie Rochon: What is that?

1285
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:39,520
Debbie Rochon: Lucky's,

1286
00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:41,260
Debbie Rochon: Lucky's first sleepover?

1287
00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:42,100
Debbie Rochon: No,

1288
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:45,940
Debbie Rochon: it is straight up children's film,

1289
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:51,460
Debbie Rochon: like straight up family movie with all these great

1290
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,920
Debbie Rochon: people in there and they wouldn't be voicing something like weird and crazy.

1291
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:00,160
Debbie Rochon: But yeah,

1292
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:00,800
Debbie Rochon: so I,

1293
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:01,480
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1294
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:06,020
Debbie Rochon: I think it's just good fun and look at these good sports putting treats on,

1295
00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:10,980
Debbie Rochon: on cement blocks for the filmmaker who's probably saying,

1296
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:12,920
Debbie Rochon: I just need some fun footage.

1297
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,340
Zack Beins: I'm going to go chase a dog around with some, it looks like green Tootsie rolls.

1298
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,660
Debbie Rochon: throw them and they'll surely run.

1299
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:24,920
Debbie Rochon: They'll surely run.

1300
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:26,900
Debbie Rochon: But

1301
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:27,460
Debbie Rochon: yeah,

1302
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,180
Debbie Rochon: I think,

1303
00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:29,720
Debbie Rochon: yeah,

1304
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,060
Debbie Rochon: Gabe Friedman probably spent many a

1305
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,840
Debbie Rochon: month putting something together.

1306
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,720
Debbie Rochon: But then you have the

1307
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:43,720
Debbie Rochon: scenes that sort of like bring it all together at the vet with

1308
00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:46,040
Debbie Rochon: Lloyd and his family. So I think that was,

1309
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:47,260
Debbie Rochon: at the end of the day,

1310
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,160
Debbie Rochon: just the wild footage of the park from the park.

1311
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Debbie Rochon: Just you had to have a little bit more.

1312
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:54,780
Debbie Rochon: Who knew?

1313
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,240
Zack Beins: You need more,

1314
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,280
Zack Beins: more, uh,

1315
00:55:57,900 --> 00:55:59,900
Zack Beins: more pound for your pups in, uh,

1316
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:01,820
Zack Beins: in this movie.

1317
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:03,580
Debbie Rochon: But I will say,

1318
00:56:03,940 --> 00:56:04,540
Debbie Rochon: how about this?

1319
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:05,300
Debbie Rochon: What,

1320
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:06,480
Debbie Rochon: here's a question for you.

1321
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:08,280
Debbie Rochon: Cause I don't actually know the answer.

1322
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,000
Debbie Rochon: When was the first,

1323
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,160
Debbie Rochon: you know how for the,

1324
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:11,580
Debbie Rochon: um,

1325
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,120
Debbie Rochon: uh,

1326
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,180
Debbie Rochon: I think it's football where they have the,

1327
00:56:16,820 --> 00:56:17,680
Debbie Rochon: the puppy,

1328
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:18,720
Debbie Rochon: Oh, the puppy bowl.

1329
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:21,720
Debbie Rochon: The puppy bowl or the kitty bowl.

1330
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:23,860
Debbie Rochon: What year did that start?

1331
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:26,020
Zack Beins: I don't, I don't know.

1332
00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:29,400
Zack Beins: I feel like it might be about 10 years old-ish now.

1333
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:29,820
Debbie Rochon: Okay.

1334
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,640
Debbie Rochon: So this was before that.

1335
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,520
Debbie Rochon: And it's really the same thing.

1336
00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:36,620
Debbie Rochon: You just have like one set.

1337
00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:38,040
Debbie Rochon: These guys don't even have a set.

1338
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:40,840
Debbie Rochon: They have a park and you just have a bunch of puppies

1339
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,700
Debbie Rochon: and you say, go,

1340
00:56:42,140 --> 00:56:42,960
Debbie Rochon: aren't they cute?

1341
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:43,880
Debbie Rochon: And that's really,

1342
00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:45,880
Debbie Rochon: you know, you maybe have some voiceover

1343
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,440
Debbie Rochon: of refs or something,

1344
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:49,140
Debbie Rochon: but that's it.

1345
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:51,100
Debbie Rochon: And people love it and watch the whole thing.

1346
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,100
Debbie Rochon: This is basically a version of that, isn't it?

1347
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,900
Zack Beins: And I guess it's actually 2005 was the first Puppy Bowl.

1348
00:56:58,060 --> 00:57:01,040
Zack Beins: So right around the same time as this.

1349
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:01,780
Zack Beins: (laughing)

1350
00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:03,020
Zack Beins: He stepped on my car.

1351
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:03,680
Zack Beins: As this.

1352
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:04,780
Debbie Rochon: He stole,

1353
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,900
Debbie Rochon: they stole the idea.

1354
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:08,520
Zack Beins: This has a better soundtrack

1355
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:12,060
Zack Beins: than any of the Puppy Bowls ever had.

1356
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:14,420
Zack Beins: because I don't remember a single Puppy Bowl

1357
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,740
Zack Beins: that you could sing along with.

1358
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:17,080
Zack Beins: Right.

1359
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:22,360
Zack Beins: Talk a little bit about Paul directing.

1360
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,260
Zack Beins: Did Paul direct you and your voice performances for this?

1361
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:28,680
Debbie Rochon: Well,

1362
00:57:28,860 --> 00:57:29,040
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1363
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:31,540
Debbie Rochon: Paul did a little bit of that.

1364
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:32,960
Debbie Rochon: I mean, he wrote it.

1365
00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:35,020
Debbie Rochon: He was there.

1366
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:40,420
Debbie Rochon: I think Gabe was a little bit of a stronger force

1367
00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:43,060
Debbie Rochon: as far as like trying to help people.

1368
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:45,680
Debbie Rochon: Okay, it's this type of thing.

1369
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:46,860
Debbie Rochon: Because keep in mind,

1370
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:47,320
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1371
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:49,880
Debbie Rochon: we don't know what footage they have.

1372
00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:52,040
Debbie Rochon: Maybe they would say,

1373
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:54,520
Debbie Rochon: "Okay, this is like a bassinet type of dog

1374
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:57,000
Debbie Rochon: and it's walking around and these are the lines."

1375
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Debbie Rochon: You don't even really visually know

1376
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,320
Debbie Rochon: what is happening with the dog.

1377
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,320
Debbie Rochon: (laughing)

1378
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,840
Debbie Rochon: What you're trying to like say for the dog.

1379
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:08,200
Debbie Rochon: So,

1380
00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:09,800
Debbie Rochon: I mean, at least in my case,

1381
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:10,900
Debbie Rochon: that's what happened.

1382
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,020
Debbie Rochon: So I did the,

1383
00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:14,720
Debbie Rochon: like I said, the one character.

1384
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,340
Debbie Rochon: And then he said, "Oh,

1385
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:18,060
Debbie Rochon: do this other one."

1386
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,420
Debbie Rochon: You know, she's like this, you know,

1387
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:23,320
Debbie Rochon: real snappy Brooklyn type of character dog.

1388
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,480
Debbie Rochon: And I did that as well, and it wasn't used,

1389
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,060
Debbie Rochon: but I guess they had to like, you know,

1390
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:30,020
Debbie Rochon: "Listen,

1391
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:31,860
Debbie Rochon: if you're gonna be a professional,

1392
00:58:31,980 --> 00:58:34,740
Debbie Rochon: you have to learn how to get cut."

1393
00:58:34,740 --> 00:58:37,020
Debbie Rochon: And so that was, it was a hard lesson,

1394
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:37,580
Debbie Rochon: Zack,

1395
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:38,520
Debbie Rochon: hard.

1396
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,640
Debbie Rochon: But I took it on the chin.

1397
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:43,360
Debbie Rochon: I have one voice in here, not two.

1398
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:44,780
Debbie Rochon: Let's go back to Doggie Panic.

1399
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:49,280
Zack Beins: I think I need to go track down that deleted scene.

1400
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:53,660
Zack Beins: Because I thought we saw all the Doggie Tails

1401
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,900
Zack Beins: there was to see, but knowing there's more,

1402
00:58:57,860 --> 00:59:01,580
Zack Beins: I feel like the fans and the world deserve

1403
00:59:01,580 --> 00:59:05,660
Zack Beins: to see the other puppy dog that you play in the film?

1404
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:06,780
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

1405
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:12,140
Debbie Rochon: that would be both a Troma team at the office

1406
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:13,500
Debbie Rochon: and Gabe Friedman,

1407
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,300
Debbie Rochon: because perhaps in his hard drive,

1408
00:59:16,780 --> 00:59:18,000
Debbie Rochon: it was deleted forever.

1409
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:18,520
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1410
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:19,960
Debbie Rochon: who would keep,

1411
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:20,900
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1412
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:22,180
Debbie Rochon: only he could tell you,

1413
00:59:22,310 --> 00:59:24,060
Debbie Rochon: oh, there's another song going on, I love it,

1414
00:59:24,290 --> 00:59:25,360
Debbie Rochon: but you could sing along.

1415
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,760
Debbie Rochon: Only he would know what happened to that footage,

1416
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:31,720
Debbie Rochon: whether he hit that delete,

1417
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:33,680
Debbie Rochon: I'll never need this for anything,

1418
00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:36,840
Debbie Rochon: delete or if it actually exists somewhere.

1419
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:39,060
Debbie Rochon: But yeah,

1420
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:40,660
Debbie Rochon: holy cow.

1421
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:43,000
Debbie Rochon: When it came out, I was just like, wow,

1422
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:43,640
Debbie Rochon: this is,

1423
00:59:45,020 --> 00:59:45,980
Debbie Rochon: I'm telling you,

1424
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,100
Debbie Rochon: it was supposed to be

1425
00:59:48,340 --> 00:59:50,140
Debbie Rochon: a new launch of something,

1426
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:52,760
Debbie Rochon: a new area for Troma,

1427
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:53,820
Debbie Rochon: because keep in mind,

1428
00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:56,000
Debbie Rochon: Troma did like a golf movie,

1429
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:56,660
Debbie Rochon: right?

1430
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:59,280
Zack Beins: around the same time like an instructional video.

1431
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:00,300
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

1432
01:00:01,220 --> 01:00:03,380
Debbie Rochon: so there was some testing going on,

1433
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:04,420
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1434
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:11,120
Debbie Rochon: where's the sort of side journey that Troma could go on? Could it be sports?

1435
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,360
Debbie Rochon: Could it be

1436
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,320
Debbie Rochon: dogs?

1437
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,300
Zack Beins: I don't know. I do think it is funny,

1438
01:00:17,540 --> 01:00:18,360
Zack Beins: like in all seriousness,

1439
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,520
Zack Beins: this movie has got

1440
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,160
Zack Beins: its cult following of,

1441
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,000
Zack Beins: you know,

1442
01:00:23,180 --> 01:00:24,820
Zack Beins: Troma already is a cult following,

1443
01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:26,140
Zack Beins: but there's even a smaller

1444
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:32,060
Zack Beins: sub subgroup of all of us that you know unironically love Doggie tails.

1445
01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:34,900
Debbie Rochon: And yeah,

1446
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,460
Debbie Rochon: it's like,

1447
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,480
Debbie Rochon: but which dog are you

1448
01:00:39,260 --> 01:00:39,840
Debbie Rochon: hoping for?

1449
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:43,620
Debbie Rochon: I don't say hoping for, but rooting for you enjoy the most.

1450
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,440
Debbie Rochon: I mean, you have a favorite at this point.

1451
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:50,300
Debbie Rochon: I mean, you got watching the movie so many times you have to have somebody that

1452
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,380
Zack Beins: I always am going to love a Roxy.

1453
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:54,860
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

1454
01:00:56,700 --> 01:00:59,700
Zack Beins: But Lucky is such a great protagonist

1455
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,300
Zack Beins: and you really feel for his adventure

1456
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,120
Zack Beins: of being nervous going to the vet.

1457
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,280
Zack Beins: And Gabe Friedman brought that character to life

1458
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:10,500
Zack Beins: so well with the voice.

1459
01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:12,260
Debbie Rochon: Yes, he did.

1460
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:13,580
Zack Beins: Yes, he did.

1461
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,640
Zack Beins: Which is funny 'cause this is like

1462
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,800
Zack Beins: super deep trolling nerd lore,

1463
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:20,540
Zack Beins: but the voice he does for Lucky,

1464
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,500
Zack Beins: you hear him do that voice

1465
01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:24,620
Zack Beins: as like just random background characters

1466
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,440
Zack Beins: in like "Terror Firm" and stuff.

1467
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:26,940
Zack Beins: Like you'll hear,

1468
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:29,420
Zack Beins: "Oh no, they got a knife!"

1469
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:30,340
Zack Beins: And it's the same,

1470
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,080
Zack Beins: so that was like the character

1471
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:38,140
Zack Beins: who's always in the background of a random Troma scene

1472
01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:40,960
Zack Beins: now is finally front and center of - He's

1473
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:41,780
Debbie Rochon: front and center.

1474
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:43,640
Debbie Rochon: He's like,

1475
01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:47,940
Debbie Rochon: it's almost like a South Park type of character, if you will.

1476
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:57,160
Debbie Rochon: the vocal stylings of Gabe Breedman as Lucky and the plethora of characters

1477
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,160
Debbie Rochon: throughout the Troma movies that he edited.

1478
01:02:00,430 --> 01:02:02,240
Debbie Rochon: I mean, you can't mistake it.

1479
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:05,500
Debbie Rochon: He does that voice and and yeah.

1480
01:02:07,420 --> 01:02:07,960
Debbie Rochon: Look at this.

1481
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:12,980
Debbie Rochon: The puggy's cute.

1482
01:02:13,460 --> 01:02:19,040
Zack Beins: And then also another editor from Troma,

1483
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:21,580
Zack Beins: he did the voice of Patches in this.

1484
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,320
Zack Beins: But Sean McGrath and he also edited Terra Firmware and Citizen Toxy as well.

1485
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,760
Zack Beins: So it's really also just kind of like a slice of

1486
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,220
Zack Beins: we are in between Troma films at the moment,

1487
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,480
Zack Beins: but we're making Doggie Tails.

1488
01:02:38,140 --> 01:02:39,960
Zack Beins: There was no downtime.

1489
01:02:41,860 --> 01:02:43,340
Debbie Rochon: They had, right,

1490
01:02:43,540 --> 01:02:46,660
Debbie Rochon: they had a bunch of footage and they were commissioned to,

1491
01:02:47,260 --> 01:02:49,580
Debbie Rochon: between them and Paul, they were commissioned to,

1492
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,100
Debbie Rochon: OK,

1493
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:51,100
Debbie Rochon: make a movie.

1494
01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:55,020
Debbie Rochon: But I do think Paul had a really good idea

1495
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,080
Debbie Rochon: to do something like this,

1496
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,100
Debbie Rochon: you know, for the kids

1497
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:01,180
Debbie Rochon: so that people,

1498
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:04,940
Debbie Rochon: there'd be like another avenue of like

1499
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:10,180
Debbie Rochon: Troma movies for people who had like the even the Troma fans

1500
01:03:10,180 --> 01:03:11,300
Debbie Rochon: you were starting to have kids,

1501
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:13,800
Debbie Rochon: surely they needed something besides,

1502
01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:14,840
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1503
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,480
Debbie Rochon: even besides even the,

1504
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,060
Debbie Rochon: the Crusaders,

1505
01:03:18,460 --> 01:03:21,680
Debbie Rochon: like something that was completely nonviolent for like little, little,

1506
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:22,600
Debbie Rochon: little kids.

1507
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,320
Debbie Rochon: Um, and this was it.

1508
01:03:24,790 --> 01:03:25,840
Zack Beins: Well, my kids were,

1509
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,800
Zack Beins: were like two and three.

1510
01:03:28,170 --> 01:03:31,440
Zack Beins: We would watch Doggie Tails together and they would love to sing the songs.

1511
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:31,600
Zack Beins: And,

1512
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:32,300
Zack Beins: um,

1513
01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:35,880
Zack Beins: I have video of them watching it and barking at the dogs on the screen,

1514
01:03:36,460 --> 01:03:36,700
Zack Beins: uh,

1515
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,000
Zack Beins: when they were super little.

1516
01:03:38,370 --> 01:03:40,040
Zack Beins: And I w I,

1517
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,160
Zack Beins: I was just super happy that I could share something

1518
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:43,340
Zack Beins: like this with them.

1519
01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:47,200
Zack Beins: And always hoping to be more in another one of the,

1520
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:49,180
Zack Beins: ahead of the times type of thing.

1521
01:03:49,180 --> 01:03:52,620
Zack Beins: I feel like something like this would make a ton of money

1522
01:03:52,740 --> 01:03:55,240
Zack Beins: on YouTube and you could do like a,

1523
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:55,840
Zack Beins: you know,

1524
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,500
Zack Beins: a weekly Doggie Tails series and people would,

1525
01:04:00,020 --> 01:04:01,240
Zack Beins: would be all about it now.

1526
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,120
Zack Beins: But back when this came out,

1527
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:03,460
Zack Beins: you know,

1528
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,440
Zack Beins: Troma being ahead of its time and way ahead of the buck.

1529
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:09,020
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

1530
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:10,840
Debbie Rochon: exactly. I agree.

1531
01:04:11,020 --> 01:04:15,740
Debbie Rochon: And I'm so glad that it exists because it's one of those,

1532
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,660
Debbie Rochon: this is going to sound really weird,

1533
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:23,640
Debbie Rochon: but it's kind of like the story of a junkie movie

1534
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,200
Debbie Rochon: where it's all actual footage

1535
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,640
Debbie Rochon: and then maybe a couple of scenes

1536
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:31,800
Debbie Rochon: that were scripted to bring it together,

1537
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,380
Debbie Rochon: but it's really a documentary.

1538
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:35,160
Debbie Rochon: It's not a narrative film,

1539
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,120
Debbie Rochon: but it's kind of presented like a narrative film.

1540
01:04:39,260 --> 01:04:40,080
Debbie Rochon: Think about this,

1541
01:04:41,070 --> 01:04:41,620
Debbie Rochon: follow me,

1542
01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:42,260
Debbie Rochon: stay with me.

1543
01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:42,860
Zack Beins: I'm with ya.

1544
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,320
Debbie Rochon: "Story of a Junkie", "Doggie Tails",

1545
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:48,240
Debbie Rochon: Lucky's first sleepover,

1546
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,360
Debbie Rochon: have that in common.

1547
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:57,980
Zack Beins: Maybe Lucky is a gringo's dog from another life.

1548
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:00,800
Zack Beins: And I don't know,

1549
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,020
Zack Beins: but there should be,

1550
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,980
Zack Beins: if there's not a mural of Lucky painted on a wall in the East Village.

1551
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:09,500
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

1552
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,680
Debbie Rochon: Like right beside Joe Strummer.

1553
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:12,340
Zack Beins: Yeah.

1554
01:05:13,620 --> 01:05:14,180
Zack Beins: Icons.

1555
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:15,880
Debbie Rochon: I know you're right.

1556
01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:18,160
Debbie Rochon: Joe Strummer, know your rights.

1557
01:05:18,860 --> 01:05:19,120
Debbie Rochon: Lucky,

1558
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:20,760
Debbie Rochon: shake, shake, shake.

1559
01:05:22,260 --> 01:05:23,980
Zack Beins: You gotta shake it, shake it, shake it.

1560
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:26,960
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

1561
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,500
Debbie Rochon: I would totally, I would absolutely love that. And just, yeah,

1562
01:05:31,620 --> 01:05:33,320
Debbie Rochon: just that little face part.

1563
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:34,180
Zack Beins: Exactly.

1564
01:05:36,619 --> 01:05:40,600
Zack Beins: How much were you paid to do the voice of Roxy on this?

1565
01:05:40,820 --> 01:05:41,480
Debbie Rochon: I was,

1566
01:05:41,980 --> 01:05:42,740
Debbie Rochon: I was,

1567
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:43,500
Zack Beins: wasn't.

1568
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:45,480
Zack Beins: The typical Troma pay,

1569
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,620
Zack Beins: you can grab one of the shaker DVDs by the door.

1570
01:05:54,060 --> 01:05:57,580
Debbie Rochon: Hey, I demanded the non-shaker DVDs.

1571
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:00,140
Debbie Rochon: You know, I can't remember.

1572
01:06:00,620 --> 01:06:04,180
Debbie Rochon: It's possible that I was. So I don't

1573
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:06,500
Debbie Rochon: want to like definitely say that I wasn't.

1574
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,220
Debbie Rochon: But yeah,

1575
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:08,680
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1576
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:14,360
Debbie Rochon: they were so good. I lived extremely close to the Hell's

1577
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:16,340
Debbie Rochon: Kitchen compound.

1578
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,400
Debbie Rochon: And I mean, they were so good at just,

1579
01:06:20,790 --> 01:06:20,900
Debbie Rochon: you

1580
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,240
Debbie Rochon: know, giving me stuff to take to conventions and stuff like that.

1581
01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:29,480
Debbie Rochon: that coming in for a day to have some fun, it didn't really seem

1582
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:29,820
Debbie Rochon: like,

1583
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:30,820
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1584
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,960
Debbie Rochon: anybody was taking advantage of anybody

1585
01:06:33,220 --> 01:06:34,640
Debbie Rochon: because like I said, I mean,

1586
01:06:35,100 --> 01:06:36,080
Debbie Rochon: you know, there was all kinds of

1587
01:06:36,220 --> 01:06:39,560
Debbie Rochon: stuff that they would just everything was physical media,

1588
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:39,960
Debbie Rochon: right?

1589
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,680
Debbie Rochon: So they had just lots of it.

1590
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,500
Debbie Rochon: And they would say, Oh, take

1591
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:43,820
Debbie Rochon: some,

1592
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:44,480
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1593
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,320
Debbie Rochon: oversized posters.

1594
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,580
Debbie Rochon: I mean, my goodness, I

1595
01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:48,520
Debbie Rochon: still have some here.

1596
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:49,500
Debbie Rochon: And,

1597
01:06:49,950 --> 01:06:51,900
Debbie Rochon: you know, stuff that people really

1598
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:56,860
Debbie Rochon: don't buy anymore like the oversized posters because it's like you have to

1599
01:06:56,860 --> 01:06:58,680
Debbie Rochon: have five walls to fit them.

1600
01:06:58,940 --> 01:06:59,660
Debbie Rochon: They're so big.

1601
01:06:59,930 --> 01:07:00,080
Zack Beins: Yeah.

1602
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:01,700
Debbie Rochon: Um, but yeah,

1603
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,800
Debbie Rochon: I mean I think it was more like that for,

1604
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:05,180
Debbie Rochon: for something like this.

1605
01:07:05,350 --> 01:07:05,640
Debbie Rochon: I mean,

1606
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:14,000
Debbie Rochon: I think I want to say Terra firmer was a solid $150.

1607
01:07:17,059 --> 01:07:19,960
Zack Beins: So this would probably easily be double,

1608
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:21,500
Zack Beins: double the budget.

1609
01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:23,880
Debbie Rochon: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, that's that's what I'm

1610
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:24,260
Debbie Rochon: saying.

1611
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,120
Debbie Rochon: This is probably a thousand.

1612
01:07:30,180 --> 01:07:33,480
Zack Beins: I mean, nothing less than scale for Doggie Tails.

1613
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:34,620
Debbie Rochon: Right.

1614
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:35,320
Debbie Rochon: Well,

1615
01:07:35,940 --> 01:07:36,720
Debbie Rochon: full union,

1616
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:38,420
Debbie Rochon: full union.

1617
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,340
Debbie Rochon: There was a union person on the set, you know, with the dogs.

1618
01:07:44,140 --> 01:07:46,200
Zack Beins: The Humane Society also hanging out.

1619
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:49,220
Zack Beins: It was intense.

1620
01:07:49,340 --> 01:07:51,160
Debbie Rochon: It was really intense.

1621
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:51,980
Debbie Rochon: But you know what?

1622
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,740
Debbie Rochon: They couldn't be more

1623
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:54,340
Debbie Rochon: humane.

1624
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,440
Debbie Rochon: Because I think everybody making this movie were

1625
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:59,480
Debbie Rochon: just such dog lovers. They were like,

1626
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,860
Debbie Rochon: "It's all good footage. How

1627
01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:03,440
Debbie Rochon: do we cut anything?" Yeah,

1628
01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:05,100
Debbie Rochon: Gabe is rolling his eyes right now.

1629
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,620
Debbie Rochon: But it's yeah,

1630
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,280
Debbie Rochon: look at there's some story happening.

1631
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,700
"I got to get clean and sophisticated for Lucky's

1632
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:12,760
family."

1633
01:08:13,540 --> 01:08:14,320
Debbie Rochon: You had to look.

1634
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:15,540
Debbie Rochon: You had to look.

1635
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,140
Debbie Rochon: There's the this is the

1636
01:08:17,020 --> 01:08:18,020
Debbie Rochon: story part,

1637
01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:19,600
Debbie Rochon: right? Where he gets a little,

1638
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:20,339
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1639
01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:21,380
Debbie Rochon: bath and

1640
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:22,460
Debbie Rochon: feels good.

1641
01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:27,720
Zack Beins: I mean, but who can't relate to being chained up into a metal

1642
01:08:27,980 --> 01:08:30,920
Zack Beins: sink in Hell's Kitchen and getting sprayed down by a

1643
01:08:31,049 --> 01:08:31,960
Zack Beins: strange person with a hose?

1644
01:08:32,270 --> 01:08:33,940
Zack Beins: You had a very similar situation in

1645
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,359
Zack Beins: Shakespeare's Shitstorms.

1646
01:08:36,299 --> 01:08:36,819
Debbie Rochon: Nice.

1647
01:08:37,020 --> 01:08:38,160
Debbie Rochon: Oh, that's a great,

1648
01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:39,140
Debbie Rochon: beautiful.

1649
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:40,779
Debbie Rochon: Yes, I did.

1650
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:47,000
Debbie Rochon: Wasn't

1651
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:52,560
Debbie Rochon: to Lloyd Kaufman in Shakespeare's Shitstorm and Senator Sebastian.

1652
01:08:52,960 --> 01:09:00,680
Debbie Rochon: So we had at the beginning of the movie when the whales defecate all over and

1653
01:09:00,819 --> 01:09:06,580
Debbie Rochon: the shite comes down on us and we you know everybody sort of gets their

1654
01:09:06,770 --> 01:09:13,739
Debbie Rochon: clothes up being you know doused in shite and so Lloyd for whatever reason

1655
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,880
Debbie Rochon: that I still say is sort of like one of those,

1656
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:17,500
Debbie Rochon: um,

1657
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:19,380
Debbie Rochon: uh,

1658
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,440
Debbie Rochon: sub things like, you know, a submissive would like,

1659
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,020
Debbie Rochon: cause I can't think of any other reason the person would want to do this.

1660
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,799
Debbie Rochon: Unless he wouldn't want it to set an example.

1661
01:09:30,839 --> 01:09:32,799
Debbie Rochon: So maybe it's a combination of both of those.

1662
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,480
Debbie Rochon: He said, I said,

1663
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,259
Debbie Rochon: are we going to go first in the middle or last? And he says,

1664
01:09:38,259 --> 01:09:39,960
Debbie Rochon: we're going dead last.

1665
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:40,720
Debbie Rochon: And I'm like,

1666
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:41,460
Debbie Rochon: oh load.

1667
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,740
Debbie Rochon: The reason I said "oh, load"

1668
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,980
Debbie Rochon: is because it was the same shit being dumped on

1669
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:49,980
Debbie Rochon: everybody.

1670
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:52,520
Debbie Rochon: It was cleaned up off the floor,

1671
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,140
Debbie Rochon: like, because there was a lot of

1672
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:54,520
Debbie Rochon: it, right?

1673
01:09:54,900 --> 01:09:56,300
Debbie Rochon: Sort of like scooped up,

1674
01:09:56,540 --> 01:09:56,840
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1675
01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:58,360
Debbie Rochon: however they scooped it up,

1676
01:09:58,960 --> 01:09:59,080
Debbie Rochon: put

1677
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,780
Debbie Rochon: it back in the buckets and dumped.

1678
01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:05,480
Debbie Rochon: This same shit.

1679
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:08,760
Debbie Rochon: So now we're talking how

1680
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,160
Debbie Rochon: many times into it.

1681
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:11,820
Debbie Rochon: Floor, like person,

1682
01:10:12,740 --> 01:10:13,080
Debbie Rochon: floor,

1683
01:10:13,660 --> 01:10:13,820
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1684
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:14,500
Debbie Rochon: shoes,

1685
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:15,960
Debbie Rochon: the whole bet.

1686
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,440
Debbie Rochon: Like how many times, like 10 times, 20 times

1687
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,200
Debbie Rochon: previous to it now going on you.

1688
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:25,680
Debbie Rochon: So there's no acting needed at

1689
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:26,140
Debbie Rochon: all.

1690
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,620
Debbie Rochon: When you have that,

1691
01:10:27,900 --> 01:10:31,420
Debbie Rochon: that kind of shit coming down,

1692
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:32,600
Debbie Rochon: it is

1693
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,840
Debbie Rochon: no acting needed.

1694
01:10:38,140 --> 01:10:39,460
Debbie Rochon: So when it was time,

1695
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:41,060
Debbie Rochon: just like you see in the

1696
01:10:41,660 --> 01:10:42,340
Debbie Rochon: Lucky movie,

1697
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,060
Debbie Rochon: so when it was time to get the hose down, so to

1698
01:10:46,180 --> 01:10:46,320
Debbie Rochon: speak,

1699
01:10:46,940 --> 01:10:51,220
Debbie Rochon: I said, you know, I can't, you know, I can't get in

1700
01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:54,380
Debbie Rochon: the subway or a car or anything like this.

1701
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,080
Debbie Rochon: Because the place

1702
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:56,460
Debbie Rochon: was,

1703
01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:59,720
Debbie Rochon: where we were shooting was a restaurant at Two Sides.

1704
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:06,620
Debbie Rochon: And

1705
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,080
Debbie Rochon: So they said,

1706
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:08,400
Debbie Rochon: "Yeah,

1707
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:08,980
Debbie Rochon: no,

1708
01:11:09,180 --> 01:11:11,620
Debbie Rochon: everybody's getting like washed off out back."

1709
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,360
Debbie Rochon: So I went out back and they were like,

1710
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:14,760
Debbie Rochon: "Okay,

1711
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,760
Debbie Rochon: so what you got to do is just strip down."

1712
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,920
Debbie Rochon: We got the hose from the restaurant where they just like hose down the buckets,

1713
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:23,240
Debbie Rochon: the old grease buckets.

1714
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,180
Debbie Rochon: And this is what we're doing.

1715
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:26,320
Debbie Rochon: And I was like,

1716
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,780
Debbie Rochon: "Oh my God."

1717
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:35,740
Debbie Rochon: I said, "Okay, the choice is to not have it done and go that way or have it done, be it over with."

1718
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:40,860
Debbie Rochon: with and do it and get out like that.

1719
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:42,220
Debbie Rochon: And tomorrow's another day.

1720
01:11:42,580 --> 01:11:43,740
Debbie Rochon: So I opted for that.

1721
01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:45,280
Debbie Rochon: So I was hosed,

1722
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:48,460
Debbie Rochon: took everything off,

1723
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,480
Debbie Rochon: hosed down and,

1724
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:53,100
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1725
01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:54,020
Debbie Rochon: took it for the art.

1726
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,620
Zack Beins: And they gave you a little nice green treat afterwards.

1727
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:00,380
Debbie Rochon: Yeah.

1728
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,800
Debbie Rochon: They gave me a green treat.

1729
01:12:03,380 --> 01:12:04,000
Debbie Rochon: The end.

1730
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,360
Debbie Rochon: See, that was a beautiful,

1731
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:07,640
Debbie Rochon: beautiful ending.

1732
01:12:07,980 --> 01:12:09,920
Debbie Rochon: And to the story as well.

1733
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:10,980
Debbie Rochon: (laughing)

1734
01:12:11,260 --> 01:12:12,200
Debbie Rochon: Look it,

1735
01:12:12,460 --> 01:12:13,440
Debbie Rochon: you can learn about-

1736
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,260
Zack Beins: I do wanna say something about the film.

1737
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:17,120
Zack Beins: So,

1738
01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:18,860
Zack Beins: Paul Moisio,

1739
01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:21,740
Zack Beins: he passed away in '22

1740
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:27,040
Zack Beins: and this is the only film in his director credits.

1741
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:29,980
Zack Beins: So, I do wanna give him his flowers for that.

1742
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:36,340
Zack Beins: And if it wasn't for Paul's vision to bring this to the big screen,

1743
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,760
Zack Beins: or to the mini DVD market,

1744
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,280
Zack Beins: we wouldn't have this.

1745
01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:46,500
Zack Beins: And it has brought hours of entertainment to myself and others.

1746
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:47,820
Debbie Rochon: Yes.

1747
01:12:48,180 --> 01:12:48,460
Debbie Rochon: Yes.

1748
01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:48,900
Debbie Rochon: I am.

1749
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:52,340
Debbie Rochon: I very sad to hear that news because I did not know.

1750
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:53,940
Debbie Rochon: So yes.

1751
01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:55,060
Debbie Rochon: Thank you,

1752
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,900
Debbie Rochon: Paul, for bringing us this and we will forever.

1753
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:02,540
Debbie Rochon: Look, you have a nice little character card for all of them.

1754
01:13:04,180 --> 01:13:06,300
Debbie Rochon: It wouldn't be the same without Doggie Tails.

1755
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,240
Debbie Rochon: I have to be honest.

1756
01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:08,940
Debbie Rochon: Like, people still,

1757
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,020
Debbie Rochon: they're downstairs in the basement of Troma and they're

1758
01:13:12,180 --> 01:13:13,740
Debbie Rochon: looking through the things and out of nowhere,

1759
01:13:14,460 --> 01:13:15,860
Debbie Rochon: there will be Doggie Tails and

1760
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,080
Debbie Rochon: they just won't believe it.

1761
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,780
Debbie Rochon: So it will forever have its own very special place in the Troma library.

1762
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,140
Zack Beins: Definitely.

1763
01:13:23,980 --> 01:13:26,780
Zack Beins: And real quick, I have to know, have you ever talked to James or

1764
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,440
Zack Beins: Jenna about this film?

1765
01:13:28,500 --> 01:13:29,660
Zack Beins: birds and rabbits.

1766
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:30,320
Debbie Rochon: No,

1767
01:13:30,620 --> 01:13:32,040
Debbie Rochon: I have not.

1768
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,880
Zack Beins: I would be curious to know what they think or if

1769
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:35,840
Zack Beins: they even think about it.

1770
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:39,020
Zack Beins: If they remember.

1771
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:40,900
Debbie Rochon: If they remember.

1772
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,680
Debbie Rochon: Well, I think

1773
01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:44,020
Debbie Rochon: there's only one way to find out.

1774
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,880
Zack Beins: We must ask them. For the criterion of Doggie

1775
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:49,280
Zack Beins: tails,

1776
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:54,920
Zack Beins: we'll have to have the very in-depth vinegar syndrome type documentary

1777
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,440
Zack Beins: with James and Jenna and Academy Award nominee Charlotte Kaufman.

1778
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,900
Debbie Rochon: If there was ever anything to go for,

1779
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:05,180
Debbie Rochon: that's it.

1780
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,280
Debbie Rochon: The criterion version of Doggie Tails.

1781
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:10,680
Debbie Rochon: I don't know who to start, but,

1782
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,980
Debbie Rochon: you know, let's work on this when we're,

1783
01:14:13,460 --> 01:14:15,880
Debbie Rochon: you know, when this is over, the commentary is done.

1784
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,160
Debbie Rochon: You and I are going to get hard to work on that.

1785
01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:22,380
Zack Beins: We'll go digging through all the mini TV tapes.

1786
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:23,000
Zack Beins: Oh,

1787
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:23,760
Zack Beins: Roxy,

1788
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:24,900
Zack Beins: the best.

1789
01:14:24,940 --> 01:14:26,640
Zack Beins: the top of the film.

1790
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,400
Debbie Rochon: [JADE] Oh!

1791
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:30,320
Debbie Rochon: Roxy!

1792
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:32,920
Debbie Rochon: [JAY] And she's from ancient Egypt.

1793
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,680
Debbie Rochon: [JADE] Yeah, and Sherman.

1794
01:14:36,940 --> 01:14:39,000
Debbie Rochon: Oh, I love Sherman. I love Pugs.

1795
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:40,400
Debbie Rochon: Yeah,

1796
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,220
Debbie Rochon: you know, I gotta say,

1797
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,080
Debbie Rochon: I want to say that it was like a

1798
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:50,080
Debbie Rochon: basset hound that got axed that I did the voice for.

1799
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,080
Debbie Rochon: But we have

1800
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,880
Debbie Rochon: dig deeper for the next one,

1801
01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:56,840
Debbie Rochon: because this deserves more than one commentary.

1802
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:57,360
Debbie Rochon: I agree.

1803
01:14:58,500 --> 01:14:58,820
Zack Beins: Question,

1804
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,860
Zack Beins: a technical one. Do you think these title cards here are to stretch

1805
01:15:02,860 --> 01:15:04,000
Zack Beins: the movie out to 30 minutes?

1806
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,320
Debbie Rochon: Yes.

1807
01:15:06,380 --> 01:15:06,860
Debbie Rochon: Yes.

1808
01:15:07,540 --> 01:15:08,760
Debbie Rochon: There's no doubt about it.

1809
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,380
Debbie Rochon: A family fun... See?

1810
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:11,160
Debbie Rochon: Here we go.

1811
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:11,920
Debbie Rochon: This is it.

1812
01:15:12,140 --> 01:15:12,320
Zack Beins: Well,

1813
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:13,880
Zack Beins: as the credits are going,

1814
01:15:14,050 --> 01:15:18,120
Zack Beins: do you have any final thoughts for the Doggie Tails fans

1815
01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:18,580
Zack Beins: out there?

1816
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,680
Debbie Rochon: You will miss the Basset Hound!

1817
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:22,020
Debbie Rochon: Anyway,

1818
01:15:22,420 --> 01:15:23,280
Debbie Rochon: you can rewind.

1819
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:24,960
Debbie Rochon: It's just in the end.

1820
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:26,120
Debbie Rochon: Ah!

1821
01:15:26,340 --> 01:15:27,560
Debbie Rochon: Okay, any final thoughts?

1822
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,160
Debbie Rochon: I'm just really glad that I did it because it is still to this day

1823
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:34,000
Debbie Rochon: the only thing that I was mad about when it came out,

1824
01:15:34,180 --> 01:15:37,280
Debbie Rochon: which actually made me laugh and still makes me laugh,

1825
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,200
Debbie Rochon: on the physical DVD,

1826
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:41,000
Debbie Rochon: they spelled my name wrong.

1827
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:42,100
Debbie Rochon: And I thought,

1828
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:43,540
Debbie Rochon: "Damn it!"

1829
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:45,340
Debbie Rochon: I was so excited and then I was like,

1830
01:15:45,740 --> 01:15:47,080
Debbie Rochon: "Son of a..."

1831
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,420
Debbie Rochon: What do you mean?

1832
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,900
Debbie Rochon: R-A-C-H-O-N.

1833
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:53,460
Debbie Rochon: What are you talking about?

1834
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:56,160
Debbie Rochon: You know, after all the trouble movies,

1835
01:15:56,380 --> 01:15:58,840
Debbie Rochon: you'd think it'd be easy to, you know...

1836
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,420
Zack Beins: They could grab a DVD off the shelf and double check.

1837
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:03,720
Debbie Rochon: And I was like,

1838
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:06,260
Debbie Rochon: "I can't believe it." So I'll end with that.

1839
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:07,240
Debbie Rochon: That's a gripe.

1840
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,580
Debbie Rochon: I'll end with a gripe.

1841
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:09,100
Debbie Rochon: How about that?

1842
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,240
Debbie Rochon: I'll end with a gripe.

1843
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,920
Debbie Rochon: They got on the cover of that disc.

1844
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,780
Debbie Rochon: They couldn't spell my name right and I was very sad,

1845
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:21,840
Debbie Rochon: but not sad enough to not love this

1846
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:22,260
Debbie Rochon: movie.

1847
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:24,160
Zack Beins: Well,

1848
01:16:24,340 --> 01:16:25,100
Zack Beins: thank you so much,

1849
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:27,440
Zack Beins: Debbie Rochon, and everybody else out there,

1850
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:29,320
Zack Beins: stay Tromatized.

1851
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:30,780
Debbie Rochon: There you go.

1852
01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:32,320
Debbie Rochon: Stay Tromatized.

1853
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:35,560
Zack Beins: Oh my God,

1854
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:36,920
Zack Beins: that was incredible.

1855
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,960
Debbie Rochon: I hope it was what you wanted.

1856
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,580
Zack Beins: Oh, a hundred percent.

1857
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,620
Zack Beins: There's only so much you could talk about a home video of dogs.

1858
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,000
Debbie Rochon: Isn't that hilarious?

1859
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,520
Debbie Rochon: I, and I swear to God from what Doug Sackman told me, I'm like Central Park.

1860
01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:55,780
Debbie Rochon: And then it said Park Slope.

1861
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:58,780
Debbie Rochon: I swear to God it, maybe it was both.

1862
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:00,400
Debbie Rochon: Cause I swear he went,

1863
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:04,440
Debbie Rochon: I think maybe Gabe went as well and probably Paul went as

1864
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:04,800
Debbie Rochon: well.

1865
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,660
Debbie Rochon: But regardless,

1866
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:07,520
Debbie Rochon: it's funnier.

1867
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,120
Debbie Rochon: It's like all this hodgepodge of

1868
01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:10,720
Debbie Rochon: information.

1869
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,680
Debbie Rochon: Who can really believe on the Doggie tails

1870
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:15,400
Debbie Rochon: commentary?

1871
01:17:17,100 --> 01:17:18,780
Debbie Rochon: Unreliable narrator. There you go.

1872
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,200
Debbie Rochon: There's too much is we

1873
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:21,640
Debbie Rochon: have to,

1874
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:22,340
Debbie Rochon: you know,

1875
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:23,720
Debbie Rochon: don't don't trust.

1876
01:17:24,180 --> 01:17:24,760
Debbie Rochon: Don't trust it.

1877
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:25,800
Debbie Rochon: That was fun.

1878
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:26,320
Debbie Rochon: Well,

1879
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,540
Debbie Rochon: I had a great time with you guys. Thank you so much.

1880
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:38,340
Zack Beins: Oh my God.

1881
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:40,760
Zack Beins: I can't believe that fucking happened.

1882
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:42,560
Zack Beins: That is insane.

1883
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,400
Zack Beins: Everybody out there, thank you so much for listening

1884
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:47,760
Zack Beins: and watching.

1885
01:17:47,770 --> 01:17:49,120
Zack Beins: If you're watching this on YouTube,

1886
01:17:49,540 --> 01:17:50,360
Zack Beins: please like,

1887
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Zack Beins: share, and subscribe

1888
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:54,000
Zack Beins: because honestly it does help us.

1889
01:17:54,180 --> 01:17:55,180
Zack Beins: More people can see it.

1890
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,480
Zack Beins: And this is very much a word of mouth type of project

1891
01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:00,720
Zack Beins: and a labor of love.

1892
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:02,920
Zack Beins: Of course it's a labor of love

1893
01:18:03,140 --> 01:18:04,680
Zack Beins: because you probably couldn't pay anybody

1894
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,460
Zack Beins: to talk about "Doggie Tails."

1895
01:18:06,940 --> 01:18:11,360
Zack Beins: But I love you and I hope you love this

1896
01:18:11,540 --> 01:18:16,160
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1897
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,080
Zack Beins: And if you're just listening to this in the old automobile,

1898
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Zack Beins: hop on over when you're done driving

1899
01:18:22,420 --> 01:18:23,840
Zack Beins: and watch us on YouTube.

1900
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:26,700
Zack Beins: We have all sorts of different deep dives

1901
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:28,600
Zack Beins: in "Troma" history from their video archives.

1902
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,220
Zack Beins: and you can watch along Doggie Tails

1903
01:18:32,510 --> 01:18:34,180
Zack Beins: as me and Debbie are talking about it.

1904
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1905
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1906
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1907
01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:47,000
Zack Beins: which is Talking Troma on YouTube.

1908
01:18:48,019 --> 01:18:51,500
Zack Beins: And follow us on the socials, all that good stuff.

1909
01:18:51,850 --> 01:18:52,700
Zack Beins: We love you all.

1910
01:18:52,860 --> 01:18:57,720
Zack Beins: And remember in the wise words of Doggie Tails,

1911
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Zack Beins: Don't forget to shake it, shake it, shake it.

1912
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:24,200
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1913
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1914
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1915
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1916
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1917
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1918
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1919
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1920
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1921
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1922
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1923
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1924
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1925
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1929
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1930
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1931
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1932
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1933
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1934
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1935
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1936
01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:12,820
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1937
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1938
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