WEBVTT 00:00:01.899 --> 00:00:02.500 [Music] 00:00:22.699 --> 00:00:26.540 Greetings from Tromaville. This is Lloyd Kaufman, president of Troma Entertainment, 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.320 creator of the Toxic Avenger and professional foot fetishist. 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:32.480 You're listening to Talkin' 00:00:32.720 --> 00:00:32.980 Troma 00:00:33.540 --> 00:00:35.000 with Zack Beins, 00:00:35.420 --> 00:00:38.820 but the actual way to pronounce it is Zach Beans, 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:40.460 like Hill of Beans. 00:00:40.620 --> 00:00:40.920 And let 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:41.480 me tell you, 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.700 the Talkin' Troma webcast is a podcast. 00:00:46.020 --> 00:00:47.380 You don't need to see it. 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:47.800 It's 00:00:47.820 --> 00:00:50.440 so visual in your ears. 00:00:51.210 --> 00:00:52.300 In fact, you can taste it. 00:00:53.300 --> 00:00:55.860 Talkin' Troma by Zack Beans. 00:00:56.180 --> 00:00:56.500 Thank you, 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:57.100 ladies and gentlemen. 00:01:28.100 --> 00:01:36.500 Good morning Tromaville and welcome to the season finale of season two of Talkin' Troma 00:01:36.960 --> 00:01:38.080 with your host me, 00:01:38.900 --> 00:01:39.900 Zack Beins. 00:01:40.540 --> 00:01:42.480 This is a very special episode, 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:44.500 one that I've been waiting to do for a while. 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:47.480 But before I really crack into anything, 00:01:47.810 --> 00:01:50.100 I want to thank everybody who's been out there 00:01:50.180 --> 00:01:51.040 supporting the show, 00:01:51.220 --> 00:01:51.600 listening, 00:01:52.100 --> 00:01:54.500 reaching out on the social medias. 00:01:54.500 --> 00:01:56.680 I definitely appreciate that. 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:00.040 And I got some big news for the show. 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:01.760 I'm going to announce it here. 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.600 But it has been picked up by the Loudspeaker Network. 00:02:06.940 --> 00:02:12.380 So what that means is I will get some better equipment to record with so the shows will 00:02:12.440 --> 00:02:12.940 sound better. 00:02:13.440 --> 00:02:18.380 They'll actually have an audio engineer so they will sound better than what I'm doing 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:19.220 on my own. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.520 And just some more research resources. 00:02:23.220 --> 00:02:24.160 It's pretty exciting. 00:02:24.640 --> 00:02:26.540 Um, I can't wait for, 00:02:27.140 --> 00:02:27.520 for that. 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.840 And they're gonna be bringing season three, 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.120 uh, coming to your air hole shortly. 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.980 Um, so stay tuned for that, but really let's crack into why we're all here. 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:40.140 And let's, 00:02:40.320 --> 00:02:45.780 let's hear my, uh, my, uh, interview with the man himself. 00:02:46.900 --> 00:02:47.200 Mr. 00:02:47.320 --> 00:02:48.500 Lloyd Kaufman. 00:02:51.860 --> 00:02:55.320 hotel with the troma team from Denver, 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.140 including Maggie, 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.440 AKA Super Tromette- 00:03:01.460 --> 00:03:01.840 [LAUGHTER] 00:03:04.040 --> 00:03:04.600 Dysmorphia. 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:05.840 Dysmorphia. 00:03:06.740 --> 00:03:09.240 That's better than the last tromette name you gave her. 00:03:09.420 --> 00:03:10.720 Do you remember that one? 00:03:10.980 --> 00:03:12.000 I chose my own. 00:03:12.100 --> 00:03:12.440 Thank you. 00:03:12.460 --> 00:03:15.180 Yeah, you are very intellectual, Dysmorphia. 00:03:16.920 --> 00:03:18.320 You read a lot, I know. 00:03:18.460 --> 00:03:21.120 But is that why you think you have a big vocabulary? 00:03:21.460 --> 00:03:24.580 or is it your folks or something? 00:03:25.420 --> 00:03:28.180 But you must read a lot, no joke. 00:03:28.460 --> 00:03:28.580 Yeah, 00:03:28.760 --> 00:03:29.020 yeah. 00:03:30.140 --> 00:03:31.880 How to Make Movies by Lloyd Kaufman. 00:03:32.500 --> 00:03:32.980 (laughing) 00:03:32.980 --> 00:03:34.420 How to Make Your Own Damn Movie. 00:03:34.740 --> 00:03:35.680 Oh, thank you. 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:38.580 And Where the Red Foot Grows. 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:41.440 I can't read that, that makes me cry 00:03:41.540 --> 00:03:42.500 when they kill the dogs. 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:46.800 There's only one other time I cried 00:03:46.860 --> 00:03:47.740 when a dog was killed. 00:03:49.780 --> 00:03:50.340 Old Yeller? 00:03:51.300 --> 00:03:52.840 I was gonna say Toxic Avenger. 00:03:53.380 --> 00:03:53.580 No, 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.980 I can't handle it in like, 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.220 I mean in Toxic Avenger it's comical, 00:03:59.300 --> 00:04:00.460 but I can't handle whenever 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:03.620 like they're killing animals in something. 00:04:03.650 --> 00:04:04.540 I don't wanna watch that. 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:05.800 (laughing) 00:04:08.110 --> 00:04:08.520 I agree. 00:04:08.850 --> 00:04:09.960 I don't recommend you watch Wes Anderson movies 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:11.080 'cause he hates you for that. 00:04:11.160 --> 00:04:13.160 I don't recommend Wes Anderson movies 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:14.940 is 'cause he is pretentious. 00:04:15.820 --> 00:04:16.160 What? 00:04:16.320 --> 00:04:16.620 Oh, 00:04:16.799 --> 00:04:17.340 come on now. 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:18.760 Do you like, well- 00:04:18.880 --> 00:04:20.260 Now you have to take that out. 00:04:20.340 --> 00:04:23.480 You're going to get canceled for that. 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:23.680 I, 00:04:24.060 --> 00:04:25.480 I was already, 00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:27.580 uh, canceled when I was in film school, 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.440 there was the kids who wanted to make reservoir dogs. 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:32.800 There's the kids who wanted to make Wes Anderson movies. 00:04:32.940 --> 00:04:35.400 And then there was me and Richard who wanted to make trauma movies. 00:04:36.140 --> 00:04:38.300 And so we were canceled. 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.160 Yes. Yeah. What about Maggie? 00:04:43.440 --> 00:04:45.020 You want to make though in film school? 00:04:47.960 --> 00:04:49.000 Music videos are fun. 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:50.660 I love making music videos. 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.800 And live was very difficult to sync up. 00:04:54.320 --> 00:04:57.580 Maybe Maggie can come closer and get part- 00:04:57.640 --> 00:04:59.660 No, I'm gonna record something with Maggie later. 00:04:59.660 --> 00:05:01.060 I'm just giving him a bunch of shit. 00:05:01.380 --> 00:05:04.320 No, no, it makes it more entertaining that way. 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.140 No, no, Lloyd, this is gonna be you and me. 00:05:06.420 --> 00:05:09.960 Stupidest questions and my answers 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:11.240 are gonna be totally worthless, 00:05:11.460 --> 00:05:14.300 so you actually have a brain here and it'd be nice- 00:05:14.300 --> 00:05:16.280 We just can't forget that we went to film school together. 00:05:16.340 --> 00:05:17.200 No, it's true, we did. 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.300 And Maggie was one of the few people, 00:05:20.540 --> 00:05:22.120 well actually it's funny 'cause we met 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:24.480 on Cannibal Girl and Incest Boy. 00:05:25.700 --> 00:05:26.500 She was. 00:05:26.540 --> 00:05:27.060 Oh, 00:05:27.220 --> 00:05:27.980 how romantic. 00:05:28.300 --> 00:05:28.960 Yeah, so. 00:05:29.320 --> 00:05:30.800 It was a misled romance. 00:05:31.260 --> 00:05:31.660 (laughing) 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:32.560 Who, 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:34.940 I can't remember who was that, 00:05:35.260 --> 00:05:37.020 did that movie. 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:38.640 That was me and Richard. 00:05:39.220 --> 00:05:39.360 Oh, 00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:40.000 oh, all right. 00:05:40.260 --> 00:05:41.120 And Maggie. 00:05:41.460 --> 00:05:43.060 Well we crushed your head outside 00:05:43.140 --> 00:05:44.720 of Curly's store in Albuquerque. 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.180 Ah, that's it. 00:05:46.340 --> 00:05:47.400 I mean that was a long time ago. 00:05:47.400 --> 00:05:49.380 Yeah, no wonder I can't remember my head was crushed. 00:05:49.500 --> 00:05:50.320 All right, don't worry though, 00:05:50.400 --> 00:05:52.940 we're gonna go back further than 2007. 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:55.020 I'm glad that it's faded again. 00:05:55.340 --> 00:05:55.780 Yes. 00:05:55.980 --> 00:05:57.460 Yeah, the head's back to full format. 00:05:58.020 --> 00:05:58.420 Yeah, 00:05:58.760 --> 00:05:58.940 yeah. 00:05:58.940 --> 00:06:00.520 It's like a little drama dance here. 00:06:00.860 --> 00:06:01.120 Yeah. 00:06:02.860 --> 00:06:05.360 I miss drama dance in Park City. 00:06:05.540 --> 00:06:05.780 Oh, 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:06.300 well, 00:06:06.700 --> 00:06:08.880 it sure is nicer where we do it now. 00:06:08.980 --> 00:06:10.860 It's so much more fun. - Oh yeah, it's not 15 degrees. 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:12.060 Yeah, it's great, 00:06:12.260 --> 00:06:13.500 and you've got a huge crowd, 00:06:13.640 --> 00:06:16.740 and you've got the driving projection that's beautiful, 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:20.400 So the kids get to see their movies on this huge stage. 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:21.900 Instead of in Rumbunnies? 00:06:22.100 --> 00:06:22.360 Yeah, 00:06:22.640 --> 00:06:22.720 exactly. 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:23.840 In like a ski bar? 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:24.620 Yeah, right, 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:25.200 right, right. 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.880 So trying to turn the volume up on the TV 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.140 louder than the drunk guy ordering his brews. 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:30.300 Exactly. 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:32.280 Although the brewfies was really good. 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:33.480 Brewfies had pretty decent, 00:06:34.440 --> 00:06:36.280 and it was free. 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:36.960 Yeah. 00:06:37.520 --> 00:06:38.700 It was free in brewfies too. 00:06:39.320 --> 00:06:42.420 But it was cool, like I had to pick Karen Black up 00:06:42.740 --> 00:06:43.340 for one of the panels. 00:06:43.340 --> 00:06:45.220 Oh that, I remember that, right. 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:49.080 And then I think I don't remember if it's you or Gabe, but you're like Zach 00:06:49.080 --> 00:06:53.420 You need to clean your fucking car up cuz you gotta get Karen black from the air. 00:06:53.780 --> 00:06:55.360 Yeah, it was kind of a wreck of a 00:06:55.400 --> 00:06:56.120 car I remember 00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:01.120 Well, so because we filmed cannibal girl in a bucket of blood flipped over on one of the seats 00:07:05.760 --> 00:07:12.260 But she Karen was so nice she wasn't she I mean she's she didn't care about that kind of stuff whereas Lynn Lowry 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.260 was kind of 00:07:15.260 --> 00:07:15.540 Oh, 00:07:15.880 --> 00:07:19.740 like Karen Black, you know, very open-minded. 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:24.460 And Karen was a really beautiful person. 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:25.620 I was very- 00:07:25.620 --> 00:07:27.200 That movie you guys made together, 00:07:27.400 --> 00:07:30.500 the little silly short on some of the troma dance, 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.380 the vampires like lost monsters. 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.040 She had this idea, 00:07:35.220 --> 00:07:36.400 I had nothing to do with it. 00:07:36.520 --> 00:07:36.740 She, 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:38.360 Karen Black, 00:07:38.520 --> 00:07:40.640 just out of the blue wanted to do that, 00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:42.580 exactly the way we shot it. 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:44.880 And to this moment, I forgot about it. 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.040 Thank you for remembering. 00:07:46.880 --> 00:07:49.640 So what I've been doing is I've been going through 00:07:49.780 --> 00:07:53.080 all my old VHS tapes and every single trauma DVD 00:07:53.540 --> 00:07:56.600 and uploading every special feature to archive it 00:07:56.660 --> 00:07:57.600 so people can see it. 00:07:58.400 --> 00:08:00.380 Right now I have a disc of every single 00:08:00.520 --> 00:08:02.120 Trauma Team video introduction 00:08:02.580 --> 00:08:03.900 that you and Michael have done. 00:08:04.100 --> 00:08:04.440 Oh, 00:08:04.880 --> 00:08:05.000 great. 00:08:05.020 --> 00:08:06.320 And that's not-- - How cool is that, 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:06.680 Maggie? 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:08.720 There's no archive of that anywhere. 00:08:08.840 --> 00:08:10.580 Maybe on Trauma Now, I might send John- 00:08:10.580 --> 00:08:11.560 No, I don't think there is. 00:08:11.640 --> 00:08:13.100 I might send John those things. 00:08:13.440 --> 00:08:13.440 Yeah, 00:08:13.640 --> 00:08:15.760 make sure I'm in on that when you do that 00:08:15.880 --> 00:08:17.480 so that I know it's there. 00:08:18.340 --> 00:08:22.520 It's just even if some of the quote advertisements 00:08:22.700 --> 00:08:23.600 aren't valid anymore, 00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:24.280 it's just- 00:08:24.280 --> 00:08:25.440 Oh, so what, it's great, 00:08:25.700 --> 00:08:25.980 yeah. 00:08:26.100 --> 00:08:28.580 It's nice to see Brick Bronski, 00:08:28.930 --> 00:08:29.620 rest in peace. 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:30.020 Yeah, 00:08:30.620 --> 00:08:30.720 yeah. 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.140 To see him promoting this stuff like back then, 00:08:33.219 --> 00:08:38.060 or Jane Jensen doing these things is really cool. 00:08:38.520 --> 00:08:38.919 Yeah, 00:08:39.340 --> 00:08:39.599 yeah, 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:40.260 yeah. 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.260 We're good whenever you're ready. 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:42.700 cool. 00:08:43.820 --> 00:08:47.260 All righty, well I'm gonna do this all official. 00:08:47.940 --> 00:08:50.300 Good morning Tromaville and 00:08:50.760 --> 00:08:56.460 welcome to a very special episode of Talkin' Troma with your host me, 00:08:56.860 --> 00:08:57.100 Zach 00:08:57.220 --> 00:08:57.760 Bynes. 00:08:58.540 --> 00:09:02.640 And this is the episode I'm pretty sure everybody has been waiting for. I 00:09:02.640 --> 00:09:07.540 know I've been getting messaged about it and I have a very special guest right 00:09:07.640 --> 00:09:08.600 across the table from me. 00:09:08.800 --> 00:09:10.879 I had to do this live. I couldn't do it over Zoom 00:09:10.880 --> 00:09:12.100 because it wouldn't be appropriate. 00:09:13.280 --> 00:09:13.460 Mr. 00:09:14.100 --> 00:09:16.120 well the creator of the Toxic Avenger 00:09:16.340 --> 00:09:20.800 president of Troma Entertainment and my mentor and hero Lloyd Kaufman. 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.520 Zach Beans, Zach Beans come over give me a hug. 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.640 You're the son I always wanted but 00:09:29.920 --> 00:09:31.360 never had. You're so soft. 00:09:31.580 --> 00:09:35.840 Oh man talk about Elijah Wood. 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:37.840 I got some wood. 00:09:38.520 --> 00:09:39.180 Got my 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:39.860 All right, Peter Dinklage. 00:09:40.040 --> 00:09:41.740 Get back to your side of the table. 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:42.860 (laughing) 00:09:43.100 --> 00:09:43.420 So, 00:09:44.620 --> 00:09:47.300 one of the things I've been trying to do 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:51.840 with this show is show that trauma actually means 00:09:51.900 --> 00:09:55.080 a lot more than just the toxic Avenger class in Newcomb High. 00:09:55.540 --> 00:09:59.400 You've been a shining beacon in the storm 00:09:59.620 --> 00:10:02.780 of the big Hollywood system for the indie filmmakers 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.700 for almost 50 years now, 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.020 and you've helped myself 00:10:09.020 --> 00:10:10.680 my friend Richard Taylor out, 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:13.540 and you've helped countless other indie filmmakers out, 00:10:13.660 --> 00:10:15.900 just getting our voices out there 00:10:16.030 --> 00:10:17.460 and getting other filmmakers' 00:10:17.620 --> 00:10:18.300 voices out there, 00:10:18.400 --> 00:10:22.180 and you see merit in what other indie filmmakers are doing, 00:10:22.180 --> 00:10:24.960 and I do wanna thank you right off the top for doing that. 00:10:25.160 --> 00:10:26.280 Well, thank you very much, 00:10:26.760 --> 00:10:27.020 Zach, 00:10:27.160 --> 00:10:30.240 and thank you and Richard for driving out 00:10:31.800 --> 00:10:35.200 from Denver to Buffalo to sleep on the floor 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.760 and learn how to defecate in a paper bag. 00:10:38.140 --> 00:10:39.140 On poultry guys, 00:10:39.340 --> 00:10:40.560 Night of the Chicken Dead. 00:10:41.060 --> 00:10:43.300 And Gabe Friedman and I immediately 00:10:43.620 --> 00:10:44.700 fell in love with you guys. 00:10:45.260 --> 00:10:48.720 I don't know if I've ever told you this story, 00:10:48.900 --> 00:10:50.320 how I got introduced to Troman. 00:10:50.350 --> 00:10:53.160 I know I've mentioned it on my first episode, 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.280 but if you've heard this before, 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:57.000 fuck everybody, it's my show. 00:10:57.540 --> 00:10:57.760 So, 00:10:59.560 --> 00:11:01.420 one of my buddies knew I was a huge 00:11:01.560 --> 00:11:02.940 Trey Parker and Matt Stone fan, 00:11:03.540 --> 00:11:06.300 and I loved Basketball in the South Park, 00:11:06.380 --> 00:11:07.700 but I hadn't really seen too much more, 00:11:08.020 --> 00:11:08.780 and he said, 00:11:10.180 --> 00:11:12.040 "Hey, do you want a copy of this movie 00:11:12.340 --> 00:11:13.000 "Cannibal the Musical? 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:15.640 "I'll bootleg it for you." 00:11:15.640 --> 00:11:17.640 And I was like, "Oh, that sounds so cool." 00:11:17.640 --> 00:11:17.940 He's like, 00:11:18.380 --> 00:11:20.260 "But I think I'll put the trailers on 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:21.520 "that are before that. 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:23.620 "They're by this weird company called Troma, 00:11:24.020 --> 00:11:27.340 "and I think you might like their movies." 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:28.200 And I was like, 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.080 "All right, I'll check it out." 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.300 And little did I know that me telling him 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.619 to include the trailers for Cannibal the Musical 00:11:35.620 --> 00:11:38.940 would change my life more than I could ever imagine. 00:11:39.260 --> 00:11:39.560 Wow, 00:11:39.980 --> 00:11:40.140 well, 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:41.920 what a great honor to hear that. 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:42.540 Let me tell you, 00:11:42.860 --> 00:11:44.700 Michael Erz would be very proud 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:46.640 if he was sitting right here. 00:11:46.880 --> 00:11:49.380 Yeah, he'll just slide the cease and desist 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.160 right over the table for my show. 00:11:51.160 --> 00:11:51.880 No, not at all. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:52.920 He loves you guys. 00:11:53.020 --> 00:11:54.660 He just doesn't appear in public, 00:11:54.800 --> 00:11:56.580 but he's very appreciative. 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:58.820 I would like to talk to Michael one day. 00:11:58.940 --> 00:11:59.300 Yeah, oh. 00:11:59.340 --> 00:12:01.060 Just even on a personal level, 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:02.440 just to say thank you. 00:12:02.460 --> 00:12:03.200 I've never met him. 00:12:03.340 --> 00:12:04.040 I would love to. 00:12:04.300 --> 00:12:08.000 I we just have to explain to him and 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:10.480 He's a good guy. 00:12:10.640 --> 00:12:12.320 Yeah, very good guy. He just doesn't 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.140 Once we got successful, he didn't want to do any more 00:12:17.180 --> 00:12:19.360 Publicity he didn't like that kind of stuff. 00:12:19.860 --> 00:12:20.580 That's kind of though. 00:12:20.940 --> 00:12:23.500 Michael is infinitely more entertaining 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.459 much faster on the draw than I am and 00:12:27.660 --> 00:12:34.520 Much wiser and knows when to shut up and he doesn't want to be out there 00:12:35.160 --> 00:12:36.180 one one day 00:12:37.040 --> 00:12:41.780 Well, we'll get we'll get him on the show at some point. No, I think because of you for you 00:12:42.040 --> 00:12:44.600 Yes, I think at some point you will do it 00:12:44.910 --> 00:12:49.500 I would love that just but I tell you if the New York Times comes in to do a piece on show 00:12:49.540 --> 00:12:50.540 He won't be part of it. 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:51.060 Well, 00:12:51.220 --> 00:12:53.360 and I you know, he won't 00:12:53.920 --> 00:12:56.139 Know it because we've had other comparable 00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:59.820 Media write-ups and Michael would be disappearing 00:13:04.460 --> 00:13:09.640 I'm glad you brought up New York Times. I know they wrote a good review for your newest film hashtag Shakespeare shitstorm 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:16.800 but the one thing I'm combating on my show is I like to call it the trauma review or 00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:18.340 where you just get the 00:13:19.100 --> 00:13:20.160 the sideways 00:13:20.820 --> 00:13:27.440 you know backhanded compliments and I don't appreciate that as a fan of trauma films and 00:13:27.940 --> 00:13:30.080 Of your movies. There is a way to talk about 00:13:31.160 --> 00:13:35.460 Your films or the films in the trauma library without being like it's a bad movie, 00:13:35.660 --> 00:13:38.200 but like yeah, they're not bad movies 00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:41.200 They're all very good films and and you see value 00:13:43.260 --> 00:13:47.200 I went to your university. I could have been a hedge fund guy easy. 00:13:47.780 --> 00:13:48.459 No problem 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:51.220 I probably could have been governor of New York State easy. 00:13:51.460 --> 00:13:52.320 They're all stupid. 00:13:52.890 --> 00:13:54.900 So but because I am stupid 00:13:54.930 --> 00:13:56.180 I went into making movies, 00:13:56.820 --> 00:13:58.680 you know, it's not I don't do it to make money 00:13:58.880 --> 00:14:04.500 I do it for one reason to make the movies to not have to answer anybody and you know 00:14:05.300 --> 00:14:06.480 This is a result 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:14.459 I'm here in a hotel room with Zach beans and had a few drinks and that beans is starting to look pretty 00:14:14.700 --> 00:14:15.620 Pretty good to me. 00:14:15.700 --> 00:14:17.600 I think 'cause the AC is off 00:14:17.640 --> 00:14:19.900 and my shirt is slowly getting removed. 00:14:20.040 --> 00:14:22.480 Well, you got those eyes. 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.220 Well, so you brought up Yale 00:14:25.220 --> 00:14:29.320 and I know that's where you first got into movies really 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:30.740 'cause of your college roommate. 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:31.280 Yes, 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:32.920 you're right, Robert Edelstein. 00:14:33.540 --> 00:14:36.560 And can you tell me about some of the films 00:14:36.640 --> 00:14:39.940 that he was exposing himself for you, 00:14:40.420 --> 00:14:41.820 or exposing to you, I'm sorry. 00:14:42.180 --> 00:14:43.080 No, he was my roommate, 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.440 so I imagine 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.820 there was a fair amount of exposition in that department. 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:53.680 But no, Robert was head of the Film Society, 00:14:53.880 --> 00:14:56.960 and the group of them were auteurs. 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:00.940 They believed in the auteur theory of movie making, 00:15:01.100 --> 00:15:03.940 that the filmmaker is the author of the movie, 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.700 that the movie should reflect the brain and soul 00:15:07.820 --> 00:15:09.200 and heart of the filmmaker, 00:15:09.940 --> 00:15:15.380 and should reflect a consistency of style and themes. 00:15:17.180 --> 00:15:19.460 And since I was his roommate, 00:15:19.640 --> 00:15:22.060 we're in a tiny bedroom and our feet are, 00:15:22.760 --> 00:15:23.620 my head, 00:15:23.900 --> 00:15:25.640 our beds were head to toe. 00:15:26.340 --> 00:15:27.640 So at night, 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.740 inhaling his Godard smelly feet, 00:15:32.900 --> 00:15:37.220 eventually I would start drifting into the auditorium 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:38.320 to see the movies. 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.340 the film society was showing. 00:15:40.500 --> 00:15:42.640 And I kept getting blown away. 00:15:42.740 --> 00:15:43.260 Chaplin, 00:15:43.540 --> 00:15:43.780 Keaton, 00:15:44.100 --> 00:15:45.420 John Ford, Howard Oaks, 00:15:45.820 --> 00:15:46.620 Sam Fuller. 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.720 I never knew Charlie Chaplin was a director and a writer 00:15:50.860 --> 00:15:53.480 and a songwriter, a musician and all that, 00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:54.680 and a roller skater. 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.180 I didn't even know what a director was. 00:15:57.180 --> 00:16:00.560 I was never conscious of the director 00:16:00.680 --> 00:16:02.440 as a major part of the movie 00:16:02.680 --> 00:16:07.720 until I went to the Yale Film Society screenings. 00:16:07.560 --> 00:16:08.160 screenings. 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:13.200 And when was it like in Yale that you decided you wanted to dabble in 00:16:13.260 --> 00:16:17.540 making movies? I know you made Rappaccini and The Girl Who Returned right around 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:18.040 that time. 00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:24.120 Well my roommate Robert Edelstein, head of the Film Society, 00:16:24.820 --> 00:16:28.860 he directed Rappaccini and I produced it with him. 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:31.700 And he bought up Bolex, 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:37.540 which 00:16:37.540 --> 00:16:39.280 a social disease. 00:16:39.620 --> 00:16:43.960 It's a kind of a Swiss 16mm camera. It's a beautiful machine. 00:16:44.400 --> 00:16:44.920 But he had 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:45.180 one. 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:50.260 And Rappaccini was based on Hawthorne's daughter. 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.400 And both Robert and I were Hawthorne 00:16:53.560 --> 00:16:53.800 freaks. 00:16:54.540 --> 00:16:57.600 And so I tagged along and helped him produce it. 00:16:58.420 --> 00:17:00.620 And we showed it at a few colleges. 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:02.920 it's 16 millimeter. 00:17:03.520 --> 00:17:07.420 I had very, it was filmed in my mother's house in New York 00:17:10.919 --> 00:17:18.280 and we had a fair amount of adventures on it but it's 16 millimeter black and 00:17:18.500 --> 00:17:19.160 white, 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.860 no sync sound because Bolex won't, 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:26.100 doesn't have the sync pulse so 00:17:26.100 --> 00:17:29.940 So narration and sound effects and music basically. 00:17:30.540 --> 00:17:33.240 And then Girl of Return was a bit more entertaining. 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:36.160 I'm gonna interrupt you real quick. 00:17:36.300 --> 00:17:37.100 I do wanna ask, 00:17:37.840 --> 00:17:40.340 so there's a still of Rappaccini 00:17:40.580 --> 00:17:41.120 in your book, 00:17:41.320 --> 00:17:42.680 All I Need to Know About Filmmaking 00:17:42.740 --> 00:17:44.700 I Learned from the Toxic Avenger. 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:46.860 But that's all I've ever seen of it. 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.660 Is there a way to see Rappaccini 00:17:48.660 --> 00:17:50.200 or do those elements still exist 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.000 or is that something that could get uploaded 00:17:52.140 --> 00:17:52.740 to Truman now? 00:17:53.100 --> 00:17:53.260 Well, 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.160 Robert Edelstein would be the guy to add. It's his film. 00:17:58.130 --> 00:18:02.940 So just for the completists out there, I think it'd be really interesting to see. 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:06.100 It's also important because Perry King, 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.940 a fairly serious movie star, oh, 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:11.340 sorry. 00:18:11.840 --> 00:18:12.080 Perry 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:12.460 King, 00:18:13.320 --> 00:18:22.860 that was his first movie. He did something of Joel Delaney with Shirley MacLaine. 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.460 Robert Mulligan movie. 00:18:27.700 --> 00:18:31.680 He's a great guy but anyway he he signed up to do 00:18:31.940 --> 00:18:37.920 Rappaccini and and Roger Kirby's girlfriend at the time Bep Ornsberg 00:18:38.040 --> 00:18:45.680 played the daughter and we filmed it in my mother's brownstone in New York which 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:52.880 had a garden we could dress as we rented a lot of plants so it could look like a 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.700 And it's like Girl Who Returned is, 00:18:56.360 --> 00:18:58.620 you know, I don't want to speak for Rappaccini, 00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:01.480 but Girl Who Returned is totally unwatchable. 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:05.040 And yet we got to play it at maybe a dozen, 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:06.480 15 colleges, 00:19:07.100 --> 00:19:11.380 charge a dollar a ticket and run for our lives. 00:19:12.120 --> 00:19:14.040 Do you remember what it was like seeing 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.520 like Girl Who Returned in front of a crowd of people? 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.980 Like the first time like any of your films 00:19:20.180 --> 00:19:21.420 showed in front of a group of people? 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:22.560 How did that feel? 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.000 Yeah, that's a very good question. 00:19:29.360 --> 00:19:30.320 I guess, 00:19:30.760 --> 00:19:31.380 a big deal. 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:33.220 You know, I can't really remember. 00:19:33.340 --> 00:19:33.520 Remember, 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:35.460 I graduated in 1968, 00:19:36.020 --> 00:19:38.300 and '67, 00:19:38.580 --> 00:19:41.360 I think, is when they showed "Girl Who Returned," 00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:46.320 or maybe they showed "Rappaccini" '67 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:47.580 and "Girl Who Returned" '68. 00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:49.500 It was a huge thing for me. 00:19:49.800 --> 00:19:50.720 But more important, 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.200 Girl Return taught me two things. 00:19:53.380 --> 00:19:53.660 One, 00:19:55.080 --> 00:19:58.140 once people buy tickets, no matter how bad the movie is, 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:01.140 they won't ask for the money back. 00:20:01.560 --> 00:20:02.180 And two, 00:20:02.660 --> 00:20:04.860 two movies were being shown 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:06.240 that night at the same time. 00:20:06.340 --> 00:20:11.700 One was Moonrise by Borzeghi, I think. 00:20:11.940 --> 00:20:14.500 And the other one-- and it was just a poster. 00:20:15.420 --> 00:20:15.900 Basically, 00:20:16.060 --> 00:20:17.700 Borzeghi was the big deal there. 00:20:18.080 --> 00:20:20.280 And then they had The Girl Who Returned, 00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:24.000 which featured an attractive young non-male 00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:26.020 on their back, 00:20:27.170 --> 00:20:28.420 kind of with a sweaty t-shirt 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:31.480 and her love pillows a bit enlarged. 00:20:31.780 --> 00:20:35.040 And it looked sexy, it had nothing to do with sex. 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.400 But it was a better poster than the one for Bosegi. 00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:40.300 So we had a pretty big house, 00:20:41.120 --> 00:20:43.220 and even though the movie is horrible, 00:20:44.020 --> 00:20:45.040 Nobody asked for, 00:20:45.500 --> 00:20:47.220 so make a poster 00:20:47.340 --> 00:20:49.120 that's intriguing in some way, 00:20:50.040 --> 00:20:51.220 and you know, 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:53.040 buy two okay. 00:20:53.800 --> 00:20:56.320 And even if you make a movie that stinks, 00:20:56.800 --> 00:20:59.460 people are not likely to ask for their money back. 00:21:00.100 --> 00:21:00.620 Well and then, 00:21:00.980 --> 00:21:02.600 so like right around that time also, 00:21:02.820 --> 00:21:05.660 you worked in the Peace Corps in Chad. 00:21:05.800 --> 00:21:07.100 Not the Peace Corps, no. 00:21:07.260 --> 00:21:07.940 No, I'm sorry. 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:11.620 Nothing about me had anything to do with peace. 00:21:12.040 --> 00:21:13.180 You're thinking of the Pizza Corps. 00:21:13.340 --> 00:21:15.200 Very active in the pizza core 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:19.380 Very cheesy 00:21:21.820 --> 00:21:27.460 Now I was more in the not the Peace Corps in the violence work or 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:31.580 Against peace, no very bad. 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.200 That's bad joke. So sorry. I did not say that but 00:21:36.260 --> 00:21:37.800 Probably be taken out of context 00:21:38.500 --> 00:21:41.579 Here's what Lloyd Corbin said right after President Biden said 00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.920 He wants to be in the war corps. 00:21:47.140 --> 00:21:48.700 Actually, it's kind of a clever name. 00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:49.260 War corps, 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:50.120 the war corps. 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:50.540 Yeah. 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:52.660 There's a tagline for another. 00:21:52.820 --> 00:21:53.120 Yeah. 00:21:53.140 --> 00:21:54.200 That was a good book. 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:54.860 Good book. 00:21:54.980 --> 00:21:56.700 Special needs the war. 00:21:59.160 --> 00:21:59.600 Anyway, 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:00.680 where were we? 00:22:00.700 --> 00:22:01.760 We were talking about something. 00:22:01.900 --> 00:22:02.360 Talk about, 00:22:03.270 --> 00:22:03.520 uh, you're, 00:22:03.740 --> 00:22:04.760 you're doing the Chad. 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:05.600 Yeah. 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.080 Chad was a great, great life experience. 00:22:09.300 --> 00:22:12.740 And you said it was a pretty big point in your book anyways. 00:22:13.060 --> 00:22:16.280 You shot some home video and stuff in Chad as well as- 00:22:16.300 --> 00:22:16.860 Not video. 00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:18.280 Our Super 8. 00:22:18.300 --> 00:22:18.840 16 millimeter. 00:22:18.980 --> 00:22:19.620 Oh, it was 16. 00:22:20.820 --> 00:22:23.160 Do you still have any of that footage you shot in Chad? 00:22:24.460 --> 00:22:25.440 Somebody has it. 00:22:28.100 --> 00:22:31.780 And a lot of it was used in a thesis, 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.800 whatever you want to call it, at Yale, 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:35.480 African art, 00:22:36.500 --> 00:22:41.200 where I intercut dancing in the bush of Chad 00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:42.900 with dancing in, 00:22:45.530 --> 00:22:48.700 in those days I think it was called black nightclubs, 00:22:49.540 --> 00:22:54.260 and then intercutting the style of the coolness 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.780 but yet the hotness of both the African dance 00:22:57.860 --> 00:22:58.220 and the, 00:22:59.110 --> 00:22:59.360 you know, 00:22:59.620 --> 00:23:01.640 I'm thousands of miles away 00:23:01.740 --> 00:23:04.219 and the people dancing around with sticks 00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:06.420 and the cool nightclub dancing. 00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:09.940 You could see the roots. 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:12.960 Do you think Yale still has that film 00:23:13.020 --> 00:23:13.720 like in their archives? 00:23:14.140 --> 00:23:15.840 I don't, I lent, 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:17.880 I don't know, I don't know. 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:18.840 I honestly, I just don't. 00:23:20.060 --> 00:23:21.400 It's one of those things where I just, 00:23:23.220 --> 00:23:24.820 I always assumed I had it 00:23:24.860 --> 00:23:27.420 and then one day I tried to find it and you know. 00:23:27.800 --> 00:23:28.000 Yeah, 00:23:28.360 --> 00:23:29.440 just over the years it gets. 00:23:29.800 --> 00:23:30.040 Yeah, 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:31.480 yeah, you know, you just, 00:23:32.620 --> 00:23:34.000 Suddenly you wake up one way, where, 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:34.500 by the way, 00:23:34.780 --> 00:23:35.560 where is that man? 00:23:35.780 --> 00:23:36.140 (laughs) 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.920 And so I know like after that you went to go work 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:41.460 on some other films. 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.300 I know you worked for the Canon Group. 00:23:44.560 --> 00:23:45.840 Was this before it was- 00:23:45.860 --> 00:23:47.200 By the way, I was not in the Peace Corps. 00:23:47.300 --> 00:23:48.080 I was a, 00:23:48.260 --> 00:23:48.840 what do you call it? 00:23:49.580 --> 00:23:51.140 A guinea pig for the Peace Corps. 00:23:51.220 --> 00:23:53.260 I was there to test the area in Chad. 00:23:54.240 --> 00:24:00.160 I also was a teacher in the Chad bureaucracy in the bush. 00:24:00.340 --> 00:24:02.400 We lived without electricity or anything, 00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:06.220 no phones and nothing. 00:24:08.020 --> 00:24:09.620 But there was plenty of food, 00:24:10.260 --> 00:24:13.660 so people were pretty healthy and happy. 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:15.820 It's a very interesting, 00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:18.500 very sophisticated culture 00:24:18.530 --> 00:24:19.220 in its way, 00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:22.560 totally different from what I grew up, 00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:27.120 which was I grew up on an island of cement 00:24:28.110 --> 00:24:28.900 called Manhattan. 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.220 where everything is full of hostility and all that stuff 00:24:34.280 --> 00:24:38.380 and where we were it was people were having a good time 00:24:38.500 --> 00:24:40.720 and it was complicated too. 00:24:41.040 --> 00:24:41.200 Yeah. 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.280 It was very, 00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:45.420 but it didn't fuck up the atmosphere 00:24:45.820 --> 00:24:47.200 and everybody, 00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:49.440 and now Chad, they don't have enough to eat 00:24:49.580 --> 00:24:52.620 you know because of the so-called, 00:24:53.760 --> 00:24:54.720 what do you call it? 00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:56.220 Gentrification. 00:24:56.500 --> 00:24:56.920 The- 00:24:57.360 --> 00:24:58.700 I don't know, whatever it is. 00:24:59.040 --> 00:24:59.220 Yeah. 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:06.100 that the cocoa growers in the Ivory Coast have never tasted chocolate because they can't 00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:06.740 afford it. 00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:13.680 And the Rwanda tomato and pepper growers get, 00:25:14.320 --> 00:25:16.280 they live on two dollars a day 00:25:16.340 --> 00:25:21.120 because all their vegetables have to be sold to a combine, 00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:26.439 to an oligopoly of white exporters 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:26.820 Yeah. 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.240 Market way up to the Western world, 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.980 which is the world responsible for one 00:25:35.220 --> 00:25:37.260 third of Pakistan being underwater. 00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:39.540 Right. They didn't do it. We did. 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.520 You've been warning us about these corporate elites doing this, 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:43.340 going to do 00:25:43.520 --> 00:25:45.440 this to us for decades, but nobody's listened. 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.040 Well, not just the corporate elites, 00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:51.079 the, the bureaucratic elite, the so-called 00:25:51.080 --> 00:25:55.960 the elected representatives and the labor elite. 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.980 But you've been warning us for- 00:25:57.980 --> 00:25:58.520 My whole career, 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:00.140 50 years at least. 00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:03.580 And nobody took their safe space here, 00:26:03.580 --> 00:26:04.380 so nobody listened. 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:05.120 No, 00:26:05.520 --> 00:26:08.700 no, look at the Toxic Avenger Part Four, 00:26:08.760 --> 00:26:09.940 Citizen Toxie, 00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:11.060 the whole thing is, 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:12.560 I mean not the whole thing, 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.060 but abortion is a big part of that, 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:16.820 a movie made in 2000, 00:26:17.040 --> 00:26:17.880 year 2000, 00:26:18.760 --> 00:26:19.600 right? 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.220 I'm gonna kick you off, we will get to Citizen Toxie. 00:26:22.700 --> 00:26:27.780 But we're still back in the early days in Manhattan. 00:26:27.840 --> 00:26:29.320 Never gonna get to Citizen Toxie. 00:26:29.320 --> 00:26:29.920 Yes, we will. 00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:32.020 Maybe we should break this up a little bit. 00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:33.240 Yeah, I'm totally down. 00:26:33.280 --> 00:26:36.120 Maybe we do up to a certain point and then we- 00:26:36.560 --> 00:26:38.100 You wanna go through the '70s? 00:26:38.380 --> 00:26:39.400 Well, let's just see where we go. 00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:40.440 Through the sexy comedies? 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.540 Let's see what Maggie says, thank you. 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:43.780 Pure sexy comedy. 00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:47.560 I wanna know a little bit more about the time 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.360 when you worked in Canon Films. 00:26:49.600 --> 00:26:51.920 Was that Golan Anglobus at that time? 00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:53.640 No, no, 00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:56.660 it was pre-Golan Anglobus. 00:26:56.660 --> 00:26:59.480 It was the day of Dewey and Friedland. 00:27:02.620 --> 00:27:04.140 And nice guys, 00:27:04.300 --> 00:27:06.200 it was basically my first job. 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:10.340 And I was just a shit boy. 00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:13.720 But that's where I met John G. Avilson, lucky me. 00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:15.020 And you worked on, 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:17.840 was Joe before Rocky? 00:27:18.540 --> 00:27:18.820 Yes. 00:27:20.820 --> 00:27:23.160 John had made a movie called 00:27:23.230 --> 00:27:25.000 Guess What I Learned at School Today, 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:26.880 which had a couple of other names. 00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:30.160 And Cannon distributed it. 00:27:30.840 --> 00:27:33.400 And John also made another movie, Sweet Dreams, 00:27:33.580 --> 00:27:36.800 and I think Cannon may also have distributed that. 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.720 John was working in the editing room, 00:27:41.300 --> 00:27:45.700 and I was rewinding stuff so we sort of knew each other. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:50.260 And then they produced Joe. 00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:54.600 And John took Joe, which was originally called The Gap, 00:27:55.100 --> 00:28:02.480 which was a mediocre generation gap kind of softcore 00:28:04.620 --> 00:28:05.140 sausage, 00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:06.080 nothing, 00:28:06.340 --> 00:28:08.180 just another sausage. 00:28:08.820 --> 00:28:16.380 And Avilson hired Norman Wexler to totally rewrite the movie 00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:22.240 Became Joe and it got an Academy Award nomination Peter Boyle's first movie 00:28:23.040 --> 00:28:26.960 Susan Sarandon's first movie hundred thousand dollars and a 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.280 nomination for best screenplay 00:28:31.080 --> 00:28:35.380 Made in New York unknown director unknown actors never have that today 00:28:36.340 --> 00:28:37.260 impossible today, 00:28:37.780 --> 00:28:37.960 but 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:43.220 while they were shooting Joe they needed a production assistant and 00:28:43.820 --> 00:28:50.160 So I was sent from the office where I was filing things and rewinding stuff in the editing room 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:56.580 I was sent to the set toward the beginning of the shoot and I remember the first day of 00:28:57.840 --> 00:29:04.540 When I was not when I the first day on the set and I saw that the shot that Avilson set up 00:29:05.100 --> 00:29:06.620 Looking through a furnace 00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:08.460 Into the furnace, 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:10.100 but it was a beautiful shot. 00:29:10.600 --> 00:29:12.120 I don't remember the exact thing. 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:13.800 Yeah 00:29:13.800 --> 00:29:15.840 I sort of said, 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.320 "Hey, this is a bit, 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:18.900 "I think I'd try to stay with this guy. 00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:19.620 "He looks good." 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:21.060 And sure enough, 00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:23.220 and then Cry Uncle after that, 00:29:23.800 --> 00:29:26.020 which we still distribute Cry Uncle on. 00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:27.240 And it's a really good movie. 00:29:27.380 --> 00:29:27.920 Isn't it great? 00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:28.560 It's hilarious. 00:29:28.760 --> 00:29:29.260 It's really funny. 00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:31.740 And again, another teardown by John G. Avilson. 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.220 This time he hired David O'Dell 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.340 to take kind of an adequate, 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:37.100 you know, 00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:38.020 money-making, 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:39.520 softcore, 00:29:39.740 --> 00:29:40.700 sort of detective, 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:42.400 James Bond kind of thing. 00:29:42.840 --> 00:29:46.220 And Avilson hired Alan Garfield, 00:29:46.650 --> 00:29:46.940 you know, 00:29:48.020 --> 00:29:51.840 beer belly guy and this tall ostrich-like actor 00:29:52.020 --> 00:29:55.140 from Tom Ions' Dirtiest Show in Town. 00:29:55.540 --> 00:29:58.860 And they look like Bert and Harry Peele's, 00:29:58.870 --> 00:29:59.380 which were, 00:30:01.020 --> 00:30:02.920 you know, one was tall and one was short. 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:05.220 And they sold beer on, 00:30:05.580 --> 00:30:07.480 cartoon beer. 00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:10.080 They were cartoon characters who sold beer, 00:30:10.130 --> 00:30:11.380 which I guess was cartoon, 00:30:11.540 --> 00:30:11.920 I don't know. 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:12.680 Anyway, 00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:14.080 very good stuff. 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:15.440 Very, very good stuff. 00:30:15.760 --> 00:30:16.140 And so- 00:30:16.180 --> 00:30:16.960 Boy, am I boring. 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:17.720 No, 00:30:18.040 --> 00:30:18.300 no. 00:30:18.300 --> 00:30:19.020 This is awful. 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:20.320 It's not though. 00:30:20.540 --> 00:30:20.720 Like, 00:30:21.250 --> 00:30:25.000 the people wanna know about your history, 00:30:25.100 --> 00:30:25.700 making movies. 00:30:25.840 --> 00:30:27.400 Like, it's not really well documented. 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:28.800 Like, you may think it's boring, 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.540 but this is important that people know where you came from 00:30:32.560 --> 00:30:34.240 because I think you get, 00:30:35.500 --> 00:30:37.280 a lot of people are like, oh, it's Lloyd Kaufman. 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:39.880 He does the boobs and the blood and the toxic avenger. 00:30:40.140 --> 00:30:41.780 And while that may be true, 00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:45.120 you also have a proper film upbringing. 00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:46.760 And I don't think people take you, 00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:49.300 I take you seriously as a filmmaker, 00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:51.700 but when I read some of these backhanded reviews, 00:30:51.820 --> 00:30:53.300 I don't know if they understand 00:30:53.900 --> 00:30:56.300 that you have a proper film upbringing 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:57.520 and you know your shit. 00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:02.080 And I wanna dispel that myth that's out there. 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:03.840 So I really appreciate you sharing 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:04.960 some of this stuff with me. 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:07.820 And I was- 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:09.580 Well, I'll thank, by the same token, 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:18.560 Thank you for memorializing trauma and keeping this project going. 00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:28.980 My archives, Stan Lee set up my archives in Oklahoma at the American Heritage Institute 00:31:29.050 --> 00:31:30.360 where his archives are. 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.820 But what you're doing is really interesting because you've got generations of people, 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.380 some of whom are already dead. 00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:41.080 just died recently. 00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:41.920 Who died recently? 00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:42.580 Brick Brownski. 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.680 Yeah, Brick died and David Mattis. 00:31:45.580 --> 00:31:46.920 Who knows what's gonna happen to him. 00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:48.600 I need to get him on soon. 00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:48.900 Yeah, 00:31:49.080 --> 00:31:49.480 you should, 00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:50.120 you should. 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:51.120 He's such a great guy. 00:31:53.820 --> 00:31:55.240 Was it around this time though, 00:31:55.560 --> 00:31:57.980 working with John G. Avilson, did he push you into 00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:00.860 making your own damn movie with Battle of Love's Return? 00:32:02.540 --> 00:32:07.040 No, I made that I think before Joe. 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:11.780 I remember forcing John Avilson to watch 00:32:11.930 --> 00:32:16.160 the Battle of Love's Return on a 16 millimeter projector 00:32:16.760 --> 00:32:21.620 in his apartment on West 86th Street in New York. 00:32:22.260 --> 00:32:24.020 And he had to sit through the whole thing. 00:32:24.100 --> 00:32:27.680 We had to change reels and his wife Melissa, 00:32:28.260 --> 00:32:30.300 so nice, so polite, poor guy. 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:31.220 Well, 00:32:31.420 --> 00:32:34.060 and if you look kind of at your filmography, 00:32:34.220 --> 00:32:36.239 there's a little gap, and I know in there 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.300 for directing wise, 00:32:37.850 --> 00:32:40.500 you directed some adult films at that time. 00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:42.240 I've done nothing adult. 00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:44.760 No, I guess I'm adolescent, 00:32:45.060 --> 00:32:47.960 which still has boners and stuff like that. 00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:49.740 And, and, and, uh, 00:32:49.760 --> 00:32:50.660 I don't know, 00:32:50.660 --> 00:32:51.980 penetration juvenile, 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.520 some, uh, but you did do some, uh, 00:32:54.840 --> 00:32:56.820 pornographic films and I would like to talk to you. 00:32:56.860 --> 00:32:58.840 Why do you say what is pornographic? 00:32:59.060 --> 00:32:59.540 Was it? 00:32:59.820 --> 00:33:00.960 So I've seen, 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:01.720 uh, 00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:02.780 the divine obsession. 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:04.140 Well, that's a beautiful, 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:05.640 What are you talking about? 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:06.920 And honestly- 00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:08.040 When you say pornographic, 00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:09.180 what does that mean? 00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:10.280 I think what I mean is- 00:33:10.280 --> 00:33:13.420 You mean a movie that has some hardcore sex. 00:33:13.580 --> 00:33:13.920 Yeah. 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.840 But it's a beautiful 35 millimeter film 00:33:16.940 --> 00:33:21.740 with a score by somebody who went on to do good music 00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:26.560 and my roommate at Yale wrote the script 00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:30.300 and it's a film, it just happens to have- 00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:31.620 Actual sex in there. 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:33.380 double penetration, 00:33:33.620 --> 00:33:34.300 what are you gonna do? 00:33:35.320 --> 00:33:36.020 That's life, 00:33:37.260 --> 00:33:37.540 right? 00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:41.860 I've seen that film and it has the trademark- 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.000 You filthy pig, 00:33:44.300 --> 00:33:46.020 how dare you? 00:33:46.260 --> 00:33:48.500 And you are interviewing me in the podcast? 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:49.760 This is an outrage. 00:33:49.780 --> 00:33:51.480 I had to put the nickel in the slot. 00:33:53.220 --> 00:33:54.740 No, 25 cents, 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:55.500 please. 00:33:55.860 --> 00:33:58.180 Well, I had plenty of paper towels around. 00:33:58.600 --> 00:33:58.840 Oh, 00:33:59.060 --> 00:33:59.520 please, 00:34:00.020 --> 00:34:00.340 Maggie, 00:34:00.700 --> 00:34:00.920 don't. 00:34:02.620 --> 00:34:04.460 It's very low class, yeah. 00:34:04.520 --> 00:34:05.020 I'm sorry. 00:34:05.060 --> 00:34:06.380 But I do wanna know, 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:06.960 like, did, 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.260 like Wes Craven and John Carpenter, 00:34:11.260 --> 00:34:14.100 they cut their teeth also making pornographic movies 00:34:14.200 --> 00:34:17.240 before they jumped into their more, 00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:18.220 you know, 00:34:19.540 --> 00:34:21.760 career where it's like The Last House on the Left 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:22.379 or Halloween. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.860 And the same with you, there's a whole generation 00:34:25.860 --> 00:34:30.080 of filmmakers who cut their teeth making these movies. 00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:34.080 Did you learn any lessons from making these films 00:34:34.220 --> 00:34:35.940 that you brought on to later Troma movies? 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:37.020 Well, 00:34:37.520 --> 00:34:38.639 you're talking about the movies 00:34:38.740 --> 00:34:40.580 that were directed by Louis Hsu. 00:34:40.700 --> 00:34:41.040 Yes, 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:41.879 by Louis Hsu. 00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:43.280 I wrote a book, 00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:46.020 Produce Your Own Damn Movie, 00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:47.020 a very good book, 00:34:47.980 --> 00:34:50.600 in which I interviewed Louis Hsu, 00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.879 and he talks a lot about how, 00:34:54.919 --> 00:34:55.700 because he wrote 00:34:55.919 --> 00:35:00.220 and was the DP and kind of did his own lighting 00:35:00.220 --> 00:35:06.660 definitely did his own camera work that the these movies that you refer to as 00:35:06.700 --> 00:35:12.680 pornographic I think I think the the studio system refers I'm just I'm just 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:16.720 appropriating their terms oh oh well that's still not very woke to 00:35:16.780 --> 00:35:23.200 appropriate but at any rate these are hard-hitting questions so anyway Louis 00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:29.580 Seu got his film school it was like film school except that the movies during 00:35:29.580 --> 00:35:35.260 that period they came out around the time of Gerard Damiano with Devil and 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:41.140 Miss Jones and they were reviewed on network television. 00:35:41.620 --> 00:35:41.880 I mean 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:46.460 there was a real period where Porno Chic it was called. 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:47.840 Porno Chic except 00:35:47.980 --> 00:35:50.080 didn't have the dissonance or whatever you call it. 00:35:50.420 --> 00:35:52.600 Not dissonance when you 00:35:52.620 --> 00:35:58.140 make the SS... it begins with S. 00:35:58.760 --> 00:35:59.280 Sorry. 00:36:00.590 --> 00:36:01.280 S-A-T word. 00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:06.380 But what other kind of lessons did you learn from there that you brought on? 00:36:06.520 --> 00:36:12.100 I know you talk about when you're shooting sex scenes in films now you 00:36:12.200 --> 00:36:15.380 try to do those first. Did you have that same mantra back then? 00:36:16.720 --> 00:36:17.700 I mean did Lewis... 00:36:17.720 --> 00:36:19.460 Or did Lewis... I apologize. 00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:21.040 You guys look very similar. 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.580 I get very emotional whenever you talk about Louis Sue. 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:25.720 What did I learn? 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:26.380 I learned, 00:36:26.600 --> 00:36:28.500 well I went to an all boys high school 00:36:28.700 --> 00:36:30.060 and then Yale, I was all boys, 00:36:30.220 --> 00:36:34.020 so I got to learn a lot about sex, let me tell ya. 00:36:35.380 --> 00:36:38.460 I couldn't fathom stuff that we filmed. 00:36:41.620 --> 00:36:43.040 Even though I went to Africa, 00:36:44.020 --> 00:36:48.640 I don't recall anything like what's in those movies. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.660 And I have it from a good source that elements of those films 00:36:53.660 --> 00:36:55.080 or the negatives still exist. 00:36:55.580 --> 00:36:58.200 Is there any way that those are going 00:36:58.200 --> 00:37:01.600 to get some sort of proper Blu-ray release? 00:37:01.600 --> 00:37:06.360 I know Vinegar Syndrome does put out those type of films, 00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:07.900 and they restore the negatives. 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.280 And I think for myself personally in the collector, 00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:16.780 it's really interesting to see you or John Carpenter or Wes 00:37:16.680 --> 00:37:22.120 Craven's work in that field just as a whole body of work to see where he came 00:37:22.260 --> 00:37:25.160 from or where Louis Sue came from I'm sorry. 00:37:25.460 --> 00:37:27.240 A whole naked body of work. 00:37:27.740 --> 00:37:28.460 You just 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.320 want to see some naked people? No. 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:33.180 I just you know you are such a pervert that's 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:38.220 I know it's so sneaky of you to even you know try to get me to fall for that one. 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:39.680 No way buddy. 00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:42.500 This is just part of film history. 00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:43.880 No, it is a burden. 00:37:44.040 --> 00:37:45.280 Oh yeah, you just wanna, 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:45.600 you know. 00:37:46.740 --> 00:37:47.180 (laughing) 00:37:47.300 --> 00:37:47.760 You're thinking, 00:37:48.080 --> 00:37:49.300 I've been married too, 00:37:49.540 --> 00:37:50.140 buddy, I know. 00:37:50.300 --> 00:37:50.960 (laughing) 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.660 You gotta take it where you can. 00:37:52.700 --> 00:37:53.820 Worship the bishop, 00:37:54.080 --> 00:37:54.280 yeah, 00:37:54.460 --> 00:37:55.080 oh yeah. 00:37:55.700 --> 00:37:56.140 Yeah, 00:37:56.300 --> 00:37:56.880 I don't know. 00:37:57.520 --> 00:38:00.800 I do wanna say, though, I do think the interest 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:01.680 is out there, 00:38:02.080 --> 00:38:03.280 you know, 00:38:03.560 --> 00:38:04.920 to see these films, 00:38:05.060 --> 00:38:08.140 and I would like to see them get restored. 00:38:08.640 --> 00:38:08.880 Yeah, 00:38:09.080 --> 00:38:12.960 but I don't have control. 00:38:13.660 --> 00:38:14.060 Gotcha. 00:38:14.100 --> 00:38:15.960 There are other individuals involved. 00:38:17.500 --> 00:38:17.620 Okay. 00:38:17.620 --> 00:38:18.600 Like three to one. 00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:19.300 (laughing) 00:38:20.580 --> 00:38:22.720 Well, if talk and trauma counts, 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.180 then you got a.025 you can add to that one. 00:38:26.220 --> 00:38:26.480 No, 00:38:26.680 --> 00:38:27.480 no, 00:38:27.640 --> 00:38:28.780 not a chance. 00:38:29.040 --> 00:38:29.660 (laughing) 00:38:31.100 --> 00:38:32.080 No, I'm afraid. 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:35.180 This is gonna be like Forgotten Silver. 00:38:35.740 --> 00:38:37.320 People are gonna have to hunt through the jungle. 00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:38.380 and did you see, 00:38:38.700 --> 00:38:39.860 well you know Forgotten Silver, 00:38:40.040 --> 00:38:40.140 no? 00:38:40.540 --> 00:38:41.940 Well we talked about it. 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.380 I think we did once before. 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:45.640 It's Kevin, 00:38:45.820 --> 00:38:46.460 what's his, you know, 00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:49.780 Peter Jackson's documentary, 00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:51.020 a fake documentary. 00:38:51.660 --> 00:38:55.320 It's wonderful about sort of a Cecil B. DeMille negative 00:38:55.600 --> 00:38:58.620 that's buried deep somewhere in the jungle 00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:01.600 and it's all that's left of this. 00:39:01.700 --> 00:39:03.380 Yeah, that's right, Peter produced that one, yeah. 00:39:03.620 --> 00:39:08.960 No, that's interesting that you would compare 00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:11.020 the two on there because it's like, it is still, 00:39:11.620 --> 00:39:13.720 as he's alluding to, it is part of film history 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.260 because I think it's helpful for young filmmakers 00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:17.280 to also realize, 00:39:17.620 --> 00:39:18.000 well, hey, 00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:19.920 we all start from someplace. 00:39:20.640 --> 00:39:22.960 And then it kind of helps dispel the myth of just like, 00:39:23.020 --> 00:39:25.240 well, I got offered a Hollywood gig right away. 00:39:25.680 --> 00:39:27.380 Like, it's like everybody cuts their teeth 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.660 on "Strange Bedfellows" once or twice in their career 00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:32.600 before they go to the thing they're meant to do. 00:39:33.040 --> 00:39:35.640 That's almost a line from The Tempest. 00:39:37.830 --> 00:39:37.960 (laughing) 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:39.640 Hashtag Shakespeare shitstorm too. 00:39:40.600 --> 00:39:41.080 No joke. 00:39:41.300 --> 00:39:43.620 Well, and one thing I do wanna say about those films 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:46.080 is they definitely carry your signature 00:39:46.470 --> 00:39:48.100 sense of humor in there, 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.340 which you've later brought over to the sexy comedies 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:52.240 like Squeeze Play, 00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:53.860 Stuck on You, 00:39:54.020 --> 00:39:54.520 Waitress, 00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:55.460 and The First Turn On. 00:39:55.460 --> 00:39:58.620 I do wanna talk about those sexy comedies. 00:40:00.640 --> 00:40:04.100 What made you wanna go in the comedy route 00:40:04.220 --> 00:40:06.100 instead of doing a drama film? 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.220 Or could you ever picture yourself making a full-on drama? 00:40:09.580 --> 00:40:10.320 No. 00:40:10.600 --> 00:40:11.280 (laughing) 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:11.540 Never, 00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:12.260 never. 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:18.140 I mean, I would love to get a script that is really great, 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:19.780 that is serious, that'd be wonderful. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.460 But I certainly can't create one. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.920 And I've always loved comedy, 00:40:26.080 --> 00:40:29.840 and luckily Michael Hirs seems to be okay with it. 00:40:30.520 --> 00:40:33.680 And I don't like the idea of losing money on every movie, 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.420 but we do enjoy the films we end up with. 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:40.020 I do like, 00:40:40.520 --> 00:40:42.580 you can see some of your influences 00:40:43.300 --> 00:40:44.800 quite a bit in those sexy comedies, 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.600 and it may be one of my favorite eras in your career. 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.900 Like, you see like the Keystone Cops, 00:40:51.340 --> 00:40:53.680 or like the Marx Brothers and Chaplin Elements. 00:40:53.780 --> 00:40:56.020 Can you talk a little bit more about 00:40:56.160 --> 00:40:58.399 just some of the comedy inspirations 00:40:58.400 --> 00:40:59.980 pulled while making those films? 00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:05.720 Well certainly Keaton in Toxic Avenger Part Deux, 00:41:07.080 --> 00:41:08.140 he's got these, 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:11.940 total Keaton, 00:41:12.100 --> 00:41:12.840 totally Keaton. 00:41:13.160 --> 00:41:15.080 It's random too, why? 00:41:16.220 --> 00:41:18.580 Supposedly because she's blind, but that's absurd. 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.440 But I did it because of the Keaton film 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.520 that had things hanging from the, 00:41:23.540 --> 00:41:25.880 you know a little bit Rube Goldberg-ish. 00:41:26.020 --> 00:41:26.360 Yeah. 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.520 basically Keaton. 00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:35.880 And there was another Keaton one where a taxi wants to commit suicide and 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:37.300 he walks into a tunnel. 00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:41.180 And that's right away from Keaton. 00:41:41.290 --> 00:41:42.680 And there's the two motorcycles. 00:41:43.050 --> 00:41:43.540 Yeah, yeah. 00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:46.460 Keaton's was bicycles. 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:53.960 Well and I rewatched Waitress again not too long ago and that movie reminded me a lot 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.740 of #ShakespeareShitstorm, 00:41:57.200 --> 00:42:01.040 just the pandemonium of the crowd behind the actors. 00:42:01.540 --> 00:42:06.160 There's constant action in every frame of those movies. 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.020 Can you talk about in Waitress, 00:42:10.120 --> 00:42:13.320 how it was directing that many people on screen at the 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.420 same time because everybody has something just unique and silly they're doing. 00:42:17.660 --> 00:42:23.480 And that's a theme that kind of goes across your whole body of work. 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:24.720 That's interesting. 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.380 No, it's a good question. 00:42:26.620 --> 00:42:34.600 But I very much love the slapstick stuff and the idea that we have the action going on 00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:36.280 in the foreground between the two. 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:43.560 And then in the background people are strangling each other and all sorts of goofy stuff, 00:42:44.120 --> 00:42:45.099 elephants 00:42:45.100 --> 00:42:46.060 going fast. 00:42:47.750 --> 00:42:48.980 I just find that amusing. 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.280 So I spent a lot of time on this shtick, 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:53.080 as they call it. 00:42:53.860 --> 00:42:59.760 And Stuck on You was heavily inspired by Tom Lehrer and, and, and, 00:43:01.090 --> 00:43:01.260 crap. 00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:04.580 And Stan Freeberg? 00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:05.120 Yes. 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.280 Sorry, sorry, Stan Freeberg. 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:10.680 And, and if you haven't, 00:43:11.020 --> 00:43:12.700 if you haven't heard their songs, 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:14.320 Stan Freeberg made a, 00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:17.360 he did a record called Stan Freeberg, 00:43:17.620 --> 00:43:19.360 F-R-E-E-B-E-R-G, 00:43:19.780 --> 00:43:20.780 Discovers America, 00:43:21.100 --> 00:43:21.540 wonderful. 00:43:22.240 --> 00:43:24.160 And Tom Lehrer also, 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.220 satirical songs 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.080 and wonderful wordplay, 00:43:30.140 --> 00:43:31.100 that kind of stuff. 00:43:32.700 --> 00:43:37.200 Check out Tom Lehrer and I think we're gonna use 00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:38.300 his hunting song. 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:38.760 Oh. 00:43:39.540 --> 00:43:44.720 Tom Lerner's hunting song in Curse of the Weirdeer 00:43:45.580 --> 00:43:46.820 by Ben Johnson. 00:43:47.260 --> 00:43:47.460 That, 00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:48.820 I saw the trailer, 00:43:49.180 --> 00:43:49.760 or you know, 00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.740 some teasers that they've done for that in stills, 00:43:52.100 --> 00:43:53.680 and I love the hunting song. 00:43:55.780 --> 00:43:57.840 We shoulda got our permit. 00:43:58.700 --> 00:43:59.260 (laughing) 00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:00.700 That's good for you, 00:44:00.860 --> 00:44:02.640 'cause that's way before your time. 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.220 I grew up listening to like the Dr. Demento Show 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:07.880 and reading Mad Magazine. 00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:10.760 And I'm a huge Mad Magazine nerd, 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.240 and I know that you're a New York staple, 00:44:14.740 --> 00:44:18.920 and so was Mad Magazine back before they moved to LA 00:44:19.020 --> 00:44:21.500 and got bought by the comic book conglomerates. 00:44:21.640 --> 00:44:23.140 But can you talk about, 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:24.240 I know you've met some 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:25.460 of the people at Mad Magazine, 00:44:25.740 --> 00:44:27.420 and can you talk just in your life, 00:44:27.500 --> 00:44:30.880 what are some of your favorite stuff from that Mad Magazine? 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:32.240 Well, 00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:35.480 I have not really met too many people from Mad. 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.360 My favorite was Don, 00:44:39.680 --> 00:44:41.520 he was always my favorite 00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:42.240 and my father, 00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:43.640 my brother, 00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:46.240 we all loved his characters. 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:46.800 Don Martin. 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:47.680 Yes, 00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:48.320 that's it, 00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:49.080 Don Martin, 00:44:49.420 --> 00:44:49.860 yeah, 00:44:50.180 --> 00:44:50.420 yeah. 00:44:51.720 --> 00:44:53.320 Anyway, we all loved Don Martin 00:44:53.680 --> 00:44:56.540 and I finally years later, 00:44:57.120 --> 00:44:59.000 well after he had split mad, 00:44:59.080 --> 00:45:06.860 I got introduced to him and I was like a little fan boy 00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:08.040 That's what you're not 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:09.920 It was like 00:45:12.160 --> 00:45:15.500 Well, he would have to he always had the crazy sound effects behind 00:45:18.080 --> 00:45:19.120 His characters 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:22.000 And I know like you had 00:45:23.080 --> 00:45:29.300 Copies of Mad Magazine is like kind of sight gags and like the toxic Avenger 2 and other and other movies 00:45:29.300 --> 00:45:30.460 But how did it feel? 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.340 When thank you when Mad Magazine did a parody of the toxic Avenger 00:45:36.180 --> 00:45:39.480 Look the the Trump talk. Yeah 00:45:40.240 --> 00:45:40.620 Pretender. 00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:41.060 Yeah. 00:45:41.780 --> 00:45:43.120 Yeah, that was pretty amazing 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.760 You know after 34 years 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.540 Toxie becomes part of the lexicon. 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:49.120 I mean 00:45:49.859 --> 00:45:51.460 Comparing him to Trump. 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:51.900 Yeah, 00:45:52.080 --> 00:45:53.280 well Trump to him is 00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:56.460 Hey, I'll take it. It was great. 00:45:56.620 --> 00:46:00.160 This is nicely done and kind of in that comic book vein 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.620 You're you were also really good friends with Stan Lee. 00:46:05.600 --> 00:46:06.160 I 00:46:06.160 --> 00:46:08.820 I searched out Stan Lee whilst I was at Yale, 00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:10.240 toward the end of the road. 00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:14.260 And because I had discovered the comic books, 00:46:15.080 --> 00:46:17.560 next door were a big pile of them, 00:46:18.060 --> 00:46:19.440 next door to my Yale room. 00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:24.320 So I saw these beautiful comic books with clever, 00:46:28.499 --> 00:46:31.000 the pencil guy, or whoever, 00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:34.600 ink, ink, inker, I'd never heard of these terms. 00:46:35.160 --> 00:46:38.319 but they had funny alliteration names. 00:46:42.160 --> 00:46:43.260 I can't remember, 00:46:43.420 --> 00:46:43.880 but at any rate, 00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:44.980 Steve Ditko, 00:46:45.740 --> 00:46:46.380 Swingin' 00:46:46.580 --> 00:46:47.480 Steve Ditko, 00:46:47.720 --> 00:46:49.140 that kind of name. 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.060 Plus, the art was so beautiful. 00:46:53.160 --> 00:46:55.880 So I searched out Stan and 00:46:57.080 --> 00:46:59.960 tried to get a job, 00:47:00.100 --> 00:47:02.880 and we kind of stayed in touch. 00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:05.640 He's in a bunch of our movies. 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.480 Hashtag Shakespeare's Shitstorm is dedicated to Stan Lee, 00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:13.220 along with John G. 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:16.380 Avilson and my stepmother Sigrund. 00:47:17.900 --> 00:47:20.800 And I know you guys wrote a film together, 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:22.800 at least one. 00:47:23.040 --> 00:47:24.580 I don't know if you've wrote more than one. 00:47:24.580 --> 00:47:25.560 It never got produced. 00:47:25.680 --> 00:47:26.900 Can you talk about that a little bit? 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.660 Well, we didn't really- 00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:31.080 Well, it was like a screenplay, 00:47:31.220 --> 00:47:32.520 but it was like Night of the Witch, right? 00:47:32.900 --> 00:47:34.480 Yeah, but nothing ever happened. 00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:38.520 But I still think that's interesting to think about, 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.080 that you and Stan Lee wrote something together. 00:47:42.220 --> 00:47:43.800 Well, we didn't really write it together. 00:47:44.020 --> 00:47:44.860 It was just, 00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:46.640 I just had to- 00:47:46.660 --> 00:47:48.040 Did he pitch you an idea, 00:47:48.300 --> 00:47:48.360 or? 00:47:48.460 --> 00:47:49.540 It was kind of an idea, 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:50.260 but it was, 00:47:50.420 --> 00:47:52.100 we had already talked about it, 00:47:52.140 --> 00:47:53.840 and he didn't really have much to do with it, 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:54.560 to be honest. 00:47:55.240 --> 00:47:59.540 I tried to get him involved, 00:47:59.700 --> 00:48:01.640 but I never could, really. 00:48:02.460 --> 00:48:03.640 And at the end, 00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:09.220 it was made very clear to me that they didn't want anything to do with 00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:09.380 it. 00:48:09.720 --> 00:48:11.180 Not Stan, but the partner. 00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:19.140 Question for the Viewers: I just think it's kind of fun that you had that friendship with 00:48:19.200 --> 00:48:21.080 Stan and later down the road with James Gunn. 00:48:21.080 --> 00:48:21.100 Jim Levine Yeah, 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:22.520 he was a big fan. 00:48:23.900 --> 00:48:24.960 He was a great fan. 00:48:26.260 --> 00:48:33.520 thing was and obviously Toxie is heavily influenced by Spider-Man and the whole 00:48:33.640 --> 00:48:37.520 Troma universe is Stan Lee and Marvel. 00:48:38.640 --> 00:48:42.800 And I kind of moving on a little bit from that but on the superhero 00:48:43.140 --> 00:48:45.740 vein into the Toxic Avenger a bit. 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.820 I don't know too much else to say about 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:56.240 Toxie that hasn't been really even said before but I do want to know with all 00:48:56.240 --> 00:48:58.240 of your films, not just the Toxic Avenger, 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.120 you tackle major themes that are going on 00:49:01.160 --> 00:49:06.500 in the world and that's definitely a conscious choice when you could make a movie that has 00:49:06.560 --> 00:49:07.480 nothing to say. 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.640 Why has that always been kind of important in your work? 00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:12.980 Louis Bieler Well, 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:17.540 just my education and I had a left-wing 00:49:17.540 --> 00:49:25.440 grandmother who was full of piss and literally when if she said the word 00:49:25.560 --> 00:49:29.980 Nixon or somebody said the word Nixon she would literally spit on the ground 00:49:30.240 --> 00:49:37.880 didn't matter where we were it could be on a you know heirloom rug she'd and she 00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:43.700 read I have stone weekly and introduced me to a lot of interesting thoughts and 00:49:43.580 --> 00:49:49.340 themes and somehow I got the feeling that I should, 00:49:50.740 --> 00:49:52.300 if I'm going to be an artist, 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:53.120 be 00:49:53.200 --> 00:49:55.980 sort of a socialist artist. 00:49:57.340 --> 00:50:01.520 I'm not a socialist really, I just want to show the truth. 00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:04.680 The truth 24 times a second. 00:50:05.560 --> 00:50:08.960 And thanks to Zack Beans and Richard Taylor, 00:50:09.520 --> 00:50:13.560 I was enabled to do that once again on Foultry 00:50:13.560 --> 00:50:15.420 The Night of the Chicken. 00:50:15.660 --> 00:50:18.520 Well, it's definitely something that brought me to 00:50:19.020 --> 00:50:22.740 your art because I've seen hundreds of horror movies, 00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:24.720 but none of them has stuck with me because 00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:26.400 in Toxic Avenger, 00:50:26.560 --> 00:50:27.220 Classical Nukem High, 00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:30.120 you're talking about the problems 00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:31.700 with pollution and radiation. 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.360 Or you're talking about the issues of corporate greed, 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.660 trampling just the small guy out there. 00:50:39.700 --> 00:50:42.320 And that's something I've always appreciated 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:43.460 about your films. 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:44.120 One of, 00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:46.500 I guess a couple films, 00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:49.720 Toxic Avenger 2 and 3 is about a lot of, 00:50:50.080 --> 00:50:51.880 you know, the corporate greed going on, 00:50:52.060 --> 00:50:55.360 but I know that was the first one single film. 00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.860 Can you talk about what Toxic Avenger 2 and 3 00:51:00.080 --> 00:51:02.240 looked like before it was cut into two movies? 00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:09.180 I just remember it was sort of Heaven's Gate 00:51:09.300 --> 00:51:11.380 kind of thing, where it was like eight hours. 00:51:13.220 --> 00:51:14.440 And suddenly, 00:51:14.860 --> 00:51:25.500 and the other thing is that the video we were required to deliver movies 00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:27.900 to because the video boom was going on. 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:36.880 So while we were shooting it looked like we could have an actual ending for part two and 00:51:36.900 --> 00:51:41.140 then have two movies because I had already shot the two movies basically. 00:51:41.980 --> 00:51:45.080 So we shot 00:51:45.160 --> 00:51:46.480 a kind of a fake, 00:51:46.660 --> 00:51:50.020 not a fake ending, but a pseudo ending for part two. 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:56.360 When I talked to Rick Collins, he said that he directed that shot of him and Lisa Gay 00:51:56.420 --> 00:51:58.140 walking down the road like hitchhiking. 00:51:58.460 --> 00:52:03.240 And he was telling me how he snuck that into the 00:52:03.100 --> 00:52:04.800 the dailies and you're like who shot this? 00:52:05.040 --> 00:52:05.240 Oh, 00:52:06.160 --> 00:52:07.560 I'm sure that was his idea. 00:52:07.720 --> 00:52:08.620 It's very cute. 00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:11.120 Lisa Gay too, wonderful people. 00:52:11.700 --> 00:52:12.180 He, 00:52:12.380 --> 00:52:12.920 both he, 00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:15.300 he's still in some of our movies. 00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:15.840 He's in, 00:52:16.260 --> 00:52:18.240 Rick is in Return to Nukumai 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:20.200 and Return to Return to Nukumai. 00:52:20.300 --> 00:52:22.680 And Lisa Gay's in #ShakespeareShakespeareStory. 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.200 It's fun seeing her as Professor Holt pop up again. 00:52:27.160 --> 00:52:30.540 And my daughter was Professor Holt Jr. 00:52:31.100 --> 00:52:31.420 In- 00:52:31.460 --> 00:52:32.480 With the same hair. 00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:37.720 And Subhumanoid Meltdown Classical Nikolai Part 2. 00:52:38.560 --> 00:52:40.100 Which daughter was that? 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:41.800 Lily Hayes. 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:42.280 Awesome. 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:48.600 The story-wise of Part 2 and 3, 00:52:49.340 --> 00:52:50.540 when it was one movie, 00:52:51.460 --> 00:52:54.420 was it pretty similar story structure to how it is now? 00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:57.260 Or did you guys completely rearrange in the edit 00:52:57.260 --> 00:52:58.400 to make it two movies? 00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:06.280 I don't, I'm trying to remember who was the editor. 00:53:08.660 --> 00:53:09.200 I can't, 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:10.300 who was the editor? 00:53:10.700 --> 00:53:11.320 I don't 00:53:11.420 --> 00:53:13.780 remember. I'm sure we were rearranging stuff. 00:53:14.450 --> 00:53:14.980 It must have been. 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:21.140 I know for Citizen Toxie, 00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:23.200 I think for most of our movies, 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.980 we shoot material well after principle photography 00:53:28.700 --> 00:53:31.240 and very often on the roof of the Tromer building 00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:35.340 in Hell's Kitchen or in Long Island City 00:53:35.540 --> 00:53:38.280 and little cutaways that we need 00:53:38.380 --> 00:53:41.140 or something to make the scene comprehensible, 00:53:42.180 --> 00:53:43.600 little things like that. 00:53:45.060 --> 00:53:47.560 There's a lot of that going on when I'm making a movie. 00:53:48.460 --> 00:53:51.460 I stumbled across on Facebook 00:53:51.460 --> 00:53:54.320 effects artists I the name slipping me right now, 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.080 but he 00:53:55.740 --> 00:53:58.100 posted a picture of like like a 00:53:58.560 --> 00:54:05.400 Burnt like little baby that he's like we blew this up in toxic Avenger part 2 and I don't remember that in the movie 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:11.740 So obviously it got cut but do you remember anything about like a baby getting blown up in toxic Avenger like two or three? 00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:13.220 Well, 00:54:13.540 --> 00:54:13.780 no 00:54:15.160 --> 00:54:20.680 My daughter Charlotte in three I think it is got blown up into a tree into the tree 00:54:20.640 --> 00:54:21.020 Yeah, 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.340 she was a she was okay. 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.900 Like yeah, Toxie pulls her out of the tree. She had on sunglasses like 00:54:28.520 --> 00:54:30.480 Sarah with a little cane. Yeah 00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:36.200 Which and that's the only baby I remember. Yeah, I think that's what they must be referred referring to 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:42.500 But yeah, it was just bizarre because he had like a prop of like a bird. Oh, I don't remember that 00:54:43.160 --> 00:54:43.680 Honestly, 00:54:44.230 --> 00:54:47.500 maybe it didn't look real enough or maybe it looked too real 00:54:48.600 --> 00:54:52.960 Yeah, no, I was just curious about that. I was like that because I mean obviously, 00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:55.940 you know, she survived she's farting all over Sarah 00:54:59.780 --> 00:55:01.000 You know times have changed, 00:55:01.180 --> 00:55:01.900 you know, maybe 00:55:02.980 --> 00:55:04.280 We thought it was too much, 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:09.760 but I don't think so. I I just have no recollection. I usually remember stuff like that 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.080 What one thing that is kind of you know, 00:55:14.260 --> 00:55:16.640 sadly like present in your entire 00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:23.940 Body of work is is your struggle against free speech with the MPAA 00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:31.240 and then like even brought when you were brought on the Morton Downey jr. Show or even the present day with 00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.520 Cancel culture and I know you tackle cancel culture and hashtag Shakespeare shit storm 00:55:36.520 --> 00:55:41.880 But can you talk about how it's been different, you know fighting like the MPAA as opposed to like, 00:55:42.260 --> 00:55:42.420 you know 00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:47.000 People on Twitter are just different talk shows trying to shut down what you have to say 00:55:46.920 --> 00:56:01.500 Well, my grandmother had a big framed political cartoon of Senator McCarthy ripping up the 00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:02.260 Bill of Rights, 00:56:02.850 --> 00:56:04.780 you know, kind of political style cartoon. 00:56:05.270 --> 00:56:08.960 But it was a big, big frame picture. 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.760 And same thing, 00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:12.640 Blacklist, 00:56:13.560 --> 00:56:14.660 then MPAA, 00:56:15.640 --> 00:56:16.360 Double Standard, 00:56:16.640 --> 00:56:18.860 where it's okay for Bruce Willis 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:24.660 to have blood all over the place, but not okay for Troma's War, which is a goofy, 00:56:25.180 --> 00:56:25.880 cartoony 00:56:26.020 --> 00:56:28.800 movie that came out after Bruce Willis' 00:56:29.080 --> 00:56:29.860 serious, 00:56:30.600 --> 00:56:32.320 violent death wish. 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:33.780 No, not death wish. 00:56:34.020 --> 00:56:34.420 Die Hard. 00:56:34.600 --> 00:56:35.040 Die Hard, 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:35.440 sorry. 00:56:35.560 --> 00:56:36.000 Die Hard. 00:56:36.720 --> 00:56:38.780 You know, just it's autocratic. 00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:39.880 disgusting. 00:56:40.680 --> 00:56:42.060 And then it just keeps going. 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.160 Now you have the people who are 00:56:45.260 --> 00:56:53.040 judging what is woke and what isn't, and the gatekeepers at the various 00:56:54.540 --> 00:56:57.980 giant media company have put everything through a strainer. 00:57:00.380 --> 00:57:04.940 Do you find it harder now to get your message out than back in like the 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.600 70s or 80s or was it 00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:08.380 harder back then 00:57:09.260 --> 00:57:09.480 Well, 00:57:09.700 --> 00:57:14.260 I think now we have free speech as long as we don't say anything back 00:57:14.380 --> 00:57:20.880 Then we could sort of say anything. We least we didn't get I don't remember. I mean we were economically blacklisted 00:57:21.140 --> 00:57:22.420 Yeah, it's always a blacklist. 00:57:22.610 --> 00:57:24.260 They always figure out something 00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:26.860 something something something 00:57:27.660 --> 00:57:32.320 Luckily, I've been born white. So I have at least that go. I think I'm well 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:34.320 Well, you're as you said in 00:57:35.380 --> 00:57:39.440 Hashtag Shakespeare's his storm. It's like you consider Jewish white sometimes 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:47.400 so but I mean imagine how difficult it's been and imagine if you're not white what 00:57:50.100 --> 00:57:51.660 You can't imagine yeah 00:57:53.160 --> 00:57:58.100 But you asked that question just kind of how it how you've noticed like, 00:57:58.560 --> 00:58:00.880 you know, just either like the big elites 00:58:01.600 --> 00:58:07.720 Keeping you quiet as opposed to cancel culture today just how it's different or if it's the same same beast 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:08.820 But just a different face 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:16.400 I think it's just a different group of people who want to tell us how to run our lives and and ever and 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:17.760 they're perfectly happy with 00:58:19.060 --> 00:58:19.620 double 00:58:20.600 --> 00:58:22.900 What do you call double value where yeah, 00:58:23.200 --> 00:58:23.480 you know, 00:58:24.060 --> 00:58:26.000 you're okay. You can do that, 00:58:26.180 --> 00:58:27.020 but you can't 00:58:27.660 --> 00:58:27.980 you know, 00:58:28.300 --> 00:58:29.220 right I mean it's 00:58:30.460 --> 00:58:32.000 It's not not healthy. 00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:32.940 I 00:58:33.820 --> 00:58:35.460 In talking about all this 00:58:36.300 --> 00:58:42.320 If I brought up talk shows, I know you were on the Morton Downey jr. Show and there was a big controversy 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.040 I saw the clip where you and Michael hers are getting 00:58:46.340 --> 00:58:51.980 Accosted no. No, that's not Michael hers. I'm not Michael hers Michael hers would by that time Michael 00:58:52.120 --> 00:58:52.840 He was out of it. 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:54.600 He refused to go on anything. 00:58:55.020 --> 00:58:56.180 No, definitely not. 00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:57.820 That was my assistant 00:58:57.820 --> 00:58:58.540 Arthur, 00:58:58.760 --> 00:58:59.500 his name was Arthur. 00:59:00.180 --> 00:59:01.160 And we were trying to, 00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:02.380 we were hoping to have a, 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.340 his 00:59:05.540 --> 00:59:06.740 mother could see him on TV. 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.680 You know, it was a WOR, 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:11.640 a universal television 00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:12.340 station. 00:59:13.040 --> 00:59:17.140 And it was my wife's first night out after giving birth. 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:18.540 So we thought, oh 00:59:18.560 --> 00:59:19.360 this will be fun. 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:23.060 You know, they sent a car for us. And, oh, we're in a limousine. 00:59:23.060 --> 00:59:26.740 look at us and then you tell the rest of it. 00:59:27.590 --> 00:59:27.740 Well, 00:59:27.980 --> 00:59:32.380 they show a clip from Troma's war and it seemed like 00:59:32.520 --> 00:59:37.500 everybody was excited to see you guys and then until he showed the clip and 00:59:37.540 --> 00:59:39.680 then Morton Downey Jr. 00:59:40.020 --> 00:59:42.920 got the crowd whipped up into a frenzy where it you 00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:45.720 know almost looked like that Geraldo clip where they're throwing the chairs 00:59:46.240 --> 00:59:48.360 on the stage and they're trying to attack you guys. 00:59:49.310 --> 00:59:51.260 Tell me more about just 00:59:51.260 --> 00:59:52.940 that whole experience like? 00:59:53.080 --> 00:59:55.880 Well, that was a setup that was pre-planned, 00:59:56.740 --> 00:59:57.780 except we didn't know about it. 00:59:57.780 --> 01:00:00.700 It was kind of like candid camera or pranks, 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.080 where they prank, it was like a big prank. 01:00:03.540 --> 01:00:03.740 Gotcha. 01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:05.240 And we were in the green room 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.280 and we did hear the audience screaming and yelling. 01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:15.300 And my guess is that Downey and the gang whipped him up 01:00:16.020 --> 01:00:18.200 and because the way they choreographed it, 01:00:18.200 --> 01:00:19.360 it was clearly fixed. 01:00:20.900 --> 01:00:24.740 I was always wondering, because you saw people who look like Troma fans in the crowd with 01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:26.540 like Toxic Avengers shirts or whatever. 01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:28.020 Yeah, at the beginning they were, 01:00:28.300 --> 01:00:29.120 they loved Troma, 01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:31.640 but they were told to, 01:00:32.020 --> 01:00:32.480 I think, 01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:33.760 "Thank 01:00:33.860 --> 01:00:34.120 you, 01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.280 thank you so much." 01:00:37.180 --> 01:00:40.680 I just was given a huge bowl of caviar, 01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:41.740 it's incredible. 01:00:42.080 --> 01:00:43.720 Nothing, nothing but the best. 01:00:43.740 --> 01:00:44.520 Vegan caviar, 01:00:44.680 --> 01:00:46.560 so no salmon were hurt in this. 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:50.240 I got to squeeze those turnips really hard. 01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:51.140 Yeah, that's right. 01:00:51.540 --> 01:00:51.920 Exactly. 01:00:52.100 --> 01:00:53.720 But nothing but the best. 01:00:54.580 --> 01:00:55.100 Anyway, 01:00:55.380 --> 01:00:57.120 I don't know. What are we talking about? 01:00:57.140 --> 01:00:58.160 Morton Downey Jr. 01:00:58.500 --> 01:00:58.600 Yeah. 01:00:58.800 --> 01:00:59.660 Anyway, it was a setup. 01:01:00.020 --> 01:01:01.760 So they got their cheap laugh, 01:01:02.250 --> 01:01:04.060 except that I they thought that 01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:10.080 he he suddenly he does a thing with a thumbs up. 01:01:10.370 --> 01:01:11.280 Should we keep him? 01:01:12.530 --> 01:01:16.180 Oh, yeah. He showed a little bit of Chalmers war raw footage, 01:01:16.450 --> 01:01:18.820 and they picked a piece of film that 01:01:18.820 --> 01:01:22.880 Absolutely nothing had a little bit of blood but other than that nothing. 01:01:23.160 --> 01:01:27.000 Yeah, it was like a nothing five-second clip and then Downey 01:01:27.820 --> 01:01:31.100 Says shall we keep them or shall we get rid of them? 01:01:31.100 --> 01:01:37.100 And we're sitting on the stage with the audience down below us and my wife in the middle of the audience 01:01:37.500 --> 01:01:39.540 just having given birth and 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.040 and both Arthur and I 01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:46.020 Looked at each other and 01:01:46.940 --> 01:01:54.660 Down he puts his he's telling the audience with his thumb down what you know what to answer and they all say 01:01:56.420 --> 01:02:01.020 And it was a Halloween thing that's how they got me to go on they said it was going to be a trauma 01:02:01.180 --> 01:02:01.940 I'm a genius. 01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:04.660 This is gonna be a party at Roma Halloween party and 01:02:06.140 --> 01:02:08.320 The studio where they filmed in was in New Jersey, 01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:11.280 and that's where Tromaville, New Jersey comes from 01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:15.200 so so they got us out there and under false pretenses, 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:16.060 but 01:02:16.540 --> 01:02:19.120 Then my assistant and I 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:26.300 Unexpectedly to the TV people we refused to move because the people had 01:02:27.160 --> 01:02:29.880 they had masks on and fake guns and 01:02:30.720 --> 01:02:33.880 you know fake weapons and penises on their noses and 01:02:34.680 --> 01:02:37.520 You know and my wife's in the middle of it 01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.200 And Arthur and I didn't want to go down the stage and to get out you had to walk through this audience 01:02:43.460 --> 01:02:49.300 So we finally they called in security and beat us up a little bit and my shoulder got 01:02:49.580 --> 01:02:52.480 separated and my watch flew off and and 01:02:54.660 --> 01:02:56.600 That that's one of those it's not fun 01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.840 That's one of those tales that's in like kind of the Tromaville 01:03:01.060 --> 01:03:07.080 Like like urban legends like like bigger than true another one that I've always been curious about 01:03:07.460 --> 01:03:12.000 And there's always just been murmurs in the background is is that it 01:03:12.300 --> 01:03:15.580 From your books and even just some just like sly, 01:03:16.090 --> 01:03:19.640 you know off-the-cuff comments on different interviews that there's bad blood 01:03:19.820 --> 01:03:22.180 Between you and like the filmmakers of street trash 01:03:23.620 --> 01:03:23.840 well, 01:03:24.160 --> 01:03:25.100 I you know, 01:03:25.340 --> 01:03:25.760 I I 01:03:27.799 --> 01:03:32.260 Don't swear to this but I've been told and I thought so that 01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:38.040 Whilst I was being dragged out kicking and screaming and that 01:03:39.100 --> 01:03:40.740 Arthur was being dragged 01:03:40.940 --> 01:03:41.440 screening, 01:03:42.980 --> 01:03:45.100 some guy connected with Street Crash, 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:50.100 not the professor who owns it, 01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:51.040 but 01:03:52.579 --> 01:03:53.780 I can't remember, 01:03:54.300 --> 01:03:55.620 but he went up to the podium, 01:03:56.740 --> 01:03:59.160 "I'm not like them, I'm not like them, I'm 01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:02.500 a real New Jersey person," or something. 01:04:03.160 --> 01:04:05.580 It was something like that, but I don't recall. 01:04:05.700 --> 01:04:06.800 Maybe it's on the video. 01:04:07.540 --> 01:04:09.840 But I believe it, I may be wrong, 01:04:10.040 --> 01:04:12.360 but I believe it was somebody from Street Trash. 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:14.220 Yeah, it's just always been out- 01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.880 I think I wrote something in the book. 01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:16.080 Yeah, 01:04:16.420 --> 01:04:18.740 but you've only kind of alluded to it. 01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:23.040 And it's just always been kind of the Troma fanboy, 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:23.360 like, 01:04:23.720 --> 01:04:26.680 I hear Lloyd hates the filmmakers of Street Trash. 01:04:27.020 --> 01:04:30.680 And nobody really knows the story there. 01:04:30.780 --> 01:04:34.140 So I've asked around, it's like, 01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:36.660 what do you wanna know from Lloyd 01:04:36.660 --> 01:04:39.400 that you have never heard, and more than one person 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.120 was like, I wanna know if he actually hates the filmmakers 01:04:42.260 --> 01:04:43.680 of Street Trash or hates the movie, 01:04:44.080 --> 01:04:46.660 or if there was like bad blood that happened there. 01:04:47.140 --> 01:04:47.520 No, 01:04:47.680 --> 01:04:47.920 no, 01:04:48.180 --> 01:04:50.900 not at all, just that whoever that guy was. 01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:53.200 And he may not have even had anything to do 01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.440 with that movie that rhymes with Reed Trash. 01:04:56.660 --> 01:04:56.920 Yes. 01:04:57.140 --> 01:04:59.720 But the producer who owns the movie, 01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:01.560 I've taught his class, 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:02.480 a good guy. 01:05:02.660 --> 01:05:03.620 And by the way, 01:05:04.660 --> 01:05:11.280 Justin Martel and I imagine other Troma alums are producing the remake 01:05:11.560 --> 01:05:15.200 of Street Trash with a really good director. 01:05:15.450 --> 01:05:17.640 I think they're shooting that as we're speaking. 01:05:17.870 --> 01:05:19.500 Are they in pre-production of it? 01:05:20.040 --> 01:05:21.540 They're in pre-production of it. 01:05:22.420 --> 01:05:27.420 The Fried Berry director is doing the Street Trash remake. 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:29.600 He's great. 01:05:30.200 --> 01:05:31.300 He's very good, right? 01:05:31.740 --> 01:05:31.840 Yeah, 01:05:32.100 --> 01:05:32.240 no, 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:36.060 it's just one of those full circle trauma things 01:05:36.120 --> 01:05:36.380 like, 01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:38.520 oh, that's interesting to know 01:05:38.680 --> 01:05:40.900 like there was something there 01:05:42.380 --> 01:05:44.880 and just always curious about that. 01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:45.220 Yeah, 01:05:45.500 --> 01:05:46.580 yeah, that is interesting. 01:05:47.140 --> 01:05:49.680 And another thing I was always curious about, 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:50.620 so there were- 01:05:50.640 --> 01:05:53.420 The Kruger grocery store is very good, 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:54.160 grocery store, 01:05:54.380 --> 01:05:56.500 great director, great grocery stores. 01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.360 Yeah, sometimes it pops up in your dreams. 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:00.680 Exactly. 01:06:00.980 --> 01:06:01.520 (laughing) 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:04.920 Another thing I always kind of wondered about, 01:06:06.160 --> 01:06:08.060 just kind of jumping around a little bit more, 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.120 so after Kabuki Man, 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:14.240 there was a gap in between Kabuki Man 01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:17.440 and Tromeo and Juliet, and that's kind of around the time 01:06:17.520 --> 01:06:18.740 Troma Team Video started, 01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:20.800 and there's not a lot 01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:25.240 of just information out there on what you and Michael were, 01:06:26.220 --> 01:06:30.160 why you chose to set up your own distribution label 01:06:30.160 --> 01:06:32.400 like Troma Team Video, 'cause before you'd go through like, 01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:33.160 you know, 01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:34.980 media or Warner Brothers 01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:37.200 or other companies like that to put the movies out. 01:06:40.940 --> 01:06:43.660 Sorry, I just had to wet my whistle as we say. 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:45.540 The altitude here in Colorado, 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:46.600 it's all dried out. 01:06:46.660 --> 01:06:47.040 That's it, 01:06:47.240 --> 01:06:47.400 yep, 01:06:47.780 --> 01:06:47.940 yep, 01:06:48.260 --> 01:06:48.460 yep. 01:06:48.820 --> 01:06:52.400 I'll never forget Jeffrey Lyons, one of our great critics, 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.640 curated the film festival in, 01:06:57.960 --> 01:06:58.540 oh crap, 01:06:58.960 --> 01:06:59.980 Breckenridge Film Festival. 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.300 And Jeffrey had Pat and me come out 01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:05.020 and he showed some Troma movies. 01:07:05.620 --> 01:07:07.560 And it was great, but oh my god, 01:07:07.560 --> 01:07:10.820 I didn't realize that you get drunk out here. 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:12.660 You gotta take a piss. - Oh, Jesus Christ. 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.080 Oh, I'll never forget that hangover. 01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:20.839 Yeah, you're right, that's why I guess I'm a little bit- 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:22.520 A little parched? 01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:23.640 Parched, yes, 01:07:23.900 --> 01:07:24.180 exactly. 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:25.940 Oh, what the whistle. 01:07:28.720 --> 01:07:29.480 But anyways, 01:07:29.720 --> 01:07:31.540 back to- 01:07:31.540 --> 01:07:31.860 Nature. 01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:35.180 Yeah, what made you guys wanna start 01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:37.260 the Troma Team video label as opposed 01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:38.820 to finding other distributors? 01:07:39.160 --> 01:07:41.120 Or was that more of a necessity thing 01:07:41.120 --> 01:07:42.140 to keep the doors open? 01:07:42.380 --> 01:07:46.120 I think we were getting big advances, 01:07:47.300 --> 01:07:58.700 but then the majors started to rise with Blockbuster 01:07:58.700 --> 01:07:59.440 pop stores, 01:08:00.540 --> 01:08:05.100 which then pushed out a lot of Vestron and Media Home Entertainment, 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:05.500 who 01:08:05.640 --> 01:08:09.120 were the big distributors for the independents, 01:08:09.700 --> 01:08:13.080 but couldn't compete with the James Bond 01:08:13.080 --> 01:08:15.820 or whatever was coming out through the majors. 01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:19.400 And then Blockbuster put out a business. 01:08:19.759 --> 01:08:23.359 They basically put the little guys and gals, 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:25.839 put them out of business. 01:08:26.900 --> 01:08:32.120 One of the things I always liked in the Troma Team videos was the Tromaville cafes or the 01:08:32.200 --> 01:08:38.420 wraparounds which I liked the movies that you guys were doing but one of the things 01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:44.580 that kept me coming back for more was seeing you and Kabuki Man talking about a film or 01:08:44.620 --> 01:08:50.560 Michael Hirs and you talking about something or even just a skit with the stars of the 01:08:50.620 --> 01:08:56.880 next movie and it made everybody feel like they were part of the Troma Team and part 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:57.720 of the Troma project, 01:08:57.960 --> 01:08:59.359 like we're getting this sneak peek 01:08:59.420 --> 01:09:02.080 and you guys are doing little sketches for us. 01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:04.400 Can you talk about filming like Tromaville Cafe 01:09:04.529 --> 01:09:05.819 or some of those wraparounds? 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:06.839 Well, 01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:07.100 I, 01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:10.339 it's been a while. 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:10.839 Yeah. 01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:16.319 But I think we've always felt that we must bring our fans 01:09:16.400 --> 01:09:18.200 into the family, 01:09:18.779 --> 01:09:21.060 that without our fans we're nothing. 01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:25.160 And even when there was only 35 millimeter, 01:09:25.759 --> 01:09:29.200 We sent the stars of Squeeze Play down to Norfolk, 01:09:29.440 --> 01:09:29.700 Virginia. 01:09:30.120 --> 01:09:31.460 That was the American premiere. 01:09:31.759 --> 01:09:33.799 It was one weekend. 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:38.799 But we sent them down there and put them in Motel 6s 01:09:38.799 --> 01:09:39.279 or whatever, 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:42.080 probably lots of people in a room. 01:09:42.160 --> 01:09:43.940 Well, no, I think they had their own room. 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:44.740 At any rate, 01:09:45.259 --> 01:09:47.600 it was unusual for Norfolk to have the, 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:50.460 and it did great. 01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:53.060 And it was a huge hit. 01:09:53.160 --> 01:09:54.160 There was a sneak preview. 01:09:54.540 --> 01:09:59.440 But then AMC wanted to play it everywhere. 01:10:00.060 --> 01:10:01.480 That one sneak preview. 01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:03.460 That's awesome. 01:10:03.740 --> 01:10:04.780 And then- 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.340 But the idea was to be interactive with our fans. 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.040 And we really have done that from the very beginning. 01:10:10.860 --> 01:10:11.140 Really, 01:10:11.660 --> 01:10:13.080 no matter what the medium was, 01:10:13.140 --> 01:10:15.560 it was really thanks to our fans. 01:10:16.320 --> 01:10:16.720 Well, you. 01:10:17.060 --> 01:10:17.280 Yeah. 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:18.600 You for sure. 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:19.220 I mean, 01:10:19.780 --> 01:10:23.260 I've even had the opportunity 01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:31.340 be in some of those DVD intros that really helped me discover more Troma movies or even 01:10:31.420 --> 01:10:35.300 attached to it, even if I like the special features you guys are doing more than the 01:10:35.380 --> 01:10:38.540 film or it just helped me learn a little more. 01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:41.280 I want to know though, 01:10:42.140 --> 01:10:47.080 do you have any stories of filming Tromaville Cafe with the early 01:10:47.060 --> 01:10:51.960 Tromets because it has such a 90s feel and look, 01:10:52.360 --> 01:10:53.860 which is obviously when it was made, 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:59.880 but the humor in it is something special that you don't really see too much else in Troma 01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:02.260 movies or other medium. 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:05.220 Honestly, 01:11:05.400 --> 01:11:06.040 it's all a blur. 01:11:06.200 --> 01:11:07.780 When was Tromaville Cafe? 01:11:08.120 --> 01:11:10.560 That was probably around the mid-90s, 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:13.820 like right around a little bit after the inception 01:11:13.820 --> 01:11:15.600 of a trauma team video? 01:11:17.540 --> 01:11:18.060 Jeez, 01:11:18.320 --> 01:11:18.800 well, 01:11:19.480 --> 01:11:22.400 my hunch is that if it was really funny, 01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.200 that James Gunn had something to do with it because- 01:11:25.240 --> 01:11:28.460 I think some of those are a little bit before his time. 01:11:29.300 --> 01:11:31.800 Oh, before James Gunn, now let's think. 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:33.940 Because Gabe Friedman, 01:11:35.080 --> 01:11:35.240 well, 01:11:35.480 --> 01:11:36.180 James Gunn, 01:11:36.340 --> 01:11:37.360 Gabe Friedman, 01:11:38.020 --> 01:11:39.960 responsible for great stuff, 01:11:41.620 --> 01:11:42.200 Funny, you know, 01:11:42.420 --> 01:11:43.480 funny short stuff. 01:11:44.240 --> 01:11:45.020 I wonder who, 01:11:45.540 --> 01:11:46.460 Tomb of the Cafe, 01:11:47.240 --> 01:11:49.020 I just can't remember, I don't know. 01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:49.500 Yeah, 01:11:49.740 --> 01:11:51.740 no worries, it's just one of those things 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:53.480 that I've always-- - I'm glad you enjoyed it, 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:54.020 that's great. 01:11:54.200 --> 01:11:55.220 They're just so funny 01:11:55.460 --> 01:12:01.360 and seeing like Debbie Rashawn interact with Kabuki Man 01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:04.220 and just Action Come News Reporter 01:12:04.460 --> 01:12:07.960 and seeing everybody just being so giddy 01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:11.600 and excited to talk about screenplay 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:19.180 It was just one of the things that made Troma stand out to impressionable high school Zach 01:12:19.280 --> 01:12:19.700 Bynes. 01:12:20.620 --> 01:12:22.820 Well, that's really great to hear, let me tell you. 01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:24.900 With all of the movies, 01:12:25.080 --> 01:12:30.680 was there any movie posters that you liked that stuck out, where 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:34.100 you're like, "This is one of the coolest movie posters we have"? 01:12:34.180 --> 01:12:35.600 That's a good question. 01:12:36.040 --> 01:12:38.360 I did love the Scream play, 01:12:38.700 --> 01:12:40.300 since you mentioned Scream play. 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:41.620 I love that film. 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:42.660 It's so good. 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:43.080 Yeah, 01:12:43.240 --> 01:12:43.740 it's amazing, 01:12:43.940 --> 01:12:45.600 yet we couldn't give it away. 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:47.820 It was in black and white, you know, 01:12:47.900 --> 01:12:50.360 and when it came out, it was not, 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:52.420 we had 35 millimeter prints. 01:12:53.380 --> 01:12:55.300 I did an episode on that one. 01:12:55.300 --> 01:12:57.420 Now I think screenplay would be great, 01:12:57.540 --> 01:12:58.860 but the idiots don't wanna, 01:12:59.140 --> 01:13:00.480 well maybe it is on, 01:13:00.540 --> 01:13:03.080 I don't know what's going on with our streaming, 01:13:03.220 --> 01:13:03.460 but I think- 01:13:03.460 --> 01:13:04.500 It is on Troma now. 01:13:04.660 --> 01:13:05.840 Well, I meant not those idiots, 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:08.300 I meant the ones on Amazon and, 01:13:08.940 --> 01:13:09.440 no, they are not, 01:13:09.480 --> 01:13:11.480 The people running Troma now are doing a great job. 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:13.180 And thank you very much. 01:13:14.320 --> 01:13:15.280 No question about it. 01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:19.240 No, the other things. 01:13:19.380 --> 01:13:22.080 Oh, just like Paramount or, you know, the big- 01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:22.440 Yeah, 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:24.880 screenplay may well be on some of those, 01:13:25.500 --> 01:13:28.580 but when it came out, nobody would touch black and white. 01:13:28.820 --> 01:13:29.060 Nothing. 01:13:29.240 --> 01:13:30.340 And it's-- - Nothing. 01:13:30.900 --> 01:13:32.240 That movie is so cool because- 01:13:32.240 --> 01:13:32.900 It's amazing. 01:13:33.100 --> 01:13:35.700 It's like a weird noir, 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:37.000 like the Cabinet of Dr. 01:13:37.160 --> 01:13:37.600 Calgary, 01:13:37.780 --> 01:13:38.980 if it was a noir movie. 01:13:39.320 --> 01:13:42.260 It's so cool and it's just like the story 01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:43.180 of making a movie. 01:13:43.700 --> 01:13:44.980 It's George Cukor. 01:13:45.040 --> 01:13:45.360 Yes, 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:45.960 exactly. 01:13:47.420 --> 01:13:51.300 So it's a historic and Rufus Sater, 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:55.120 Sater liked the Passover meal. 01:13:56.260 --> 01:13:57.220 Yeah, Sater, 01:13:57.460 --> 01:13:58.460 what do you think of that? 01:13:58.760 --> 01:13:59.240 At any rate, 01:13:59.820 --> 01:14:02.740 yeah, you cannot have Rufus and milk 01:14:02.780 --> 01:14:03.560 in the same room, 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:04.480 very important. 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:06.220 Anyway, 01:14:06.420 --> 01:14:10.700 he has become a very important mosaic artist 01:14:11.340 --> 01:14:14.900 and a number of airports have his art 01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:19.040 in the floors and on the walls and mosaic. 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:21.460 So he's a good spirit. 01:14:22.060 --> 01:14:23.900 I haven't seen him for a number of years, 01:14:23.980 --> 01:14:25.180 but he was a very good spirit. 01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:27.360 I would love for him to make another movie, 01:14:27.580 --> 01:14:30.060 but his artwork is crazy. 01:14:30.540 --> 01:14:32.620 And he's invented mediums, 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:33.820 which is, 01:14:34.300 --> 01:14:35.260 that's just mind boggling. 01:14:35.480 --> 01:14:37.420 you could still be inventing forms of art 01:14:37.460 --> 01:14:38.320 and he's doing it, 01:14:38.940 --> 01:14:39.080 so. 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:41.920 Yeah, well also his movie, he did all the, 01:14:42.500 --> 01:14:44.400 this is before CGI and all that, 01:14:44.740 --> 01:14:45.240 and he did, 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:47.300 Rufus Sater did all the, 01:14:47.780 --> 01:14:50.260 if I remember correctly, did all the opticals. 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.880 Yeah, there's crazy opticals and rear projection 01:14:53.080 --> 01:14:56.960 and it's one of the more FX heavy trauma movies 01:14:57.040 --> 01:14:59.620 that's out there and because it's black and white, 01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:02.520 I don't know if people have given it the- 01:15:02.580 --> 01:15:03.720 No, that was the curse. 01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:10.420 Unfortunately in its day the black and white just wouldn't nobody and there was we did 01:15:11.080 --> 01:15:12.340 We did the VHS, 01:15:12.500 --> 01:15:17.040 but it didn't work and I like the tagline the special D colorized version. 01:15:17.300 --> 01:15:17.620 Yes 01:15:19.360 --> 01:15:20.260 We tried everything 01:15:21.580 --> 01:15:24.620 But can you see beautiful movie and it's really funny. 01:15:25.080 --> 01:15:25.400 Yeah 01:15:26.180 --> 01:15:32.300 Can you talk more about some of the movie posters though that that were like your favorites that came through? 01:15:32.320 --> 01:15:36.180 I know like like Trisha Zemmick did a lot of like just beautiful artwork 01:15:36.280 --> 01:15:40.960 But like like if you had to pick a few of your favorite posters not movies 01:15:40.960 --> 01:15:44.060 But just posters that that have been on your stuff 01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:45.680 well 01:15:46.540 --> 01:15:51.660 In in the fullness of time certainly the iconic toxic Avenger 01:15:53.100 --> 01:15:55.300 Cartoony poster by Sid Blaise 01:15:56.020 --> 01:16:00.300 It's wonderful simple and but at the time when he made it 01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:04.740 In fact, even before he made it we had another poster 01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:07.480 Where you don't see Toxie's face, 01:16:08.020 --> 01:16:09.960 which is great. I love that one, too 01:16:10.140 --> 01:16:13.100 But that one where like kind of the Sun is behind. That's right. 01:16:13.260 --> 01:16:17.560 Yeah, he's a Toxie silhouetted and it's got a great style to it 01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:18.700 but the 01:16:19.240 --> 01:16:24.740 Didn't you know we were hoping that people would want to know what does he look like Toxie the mistake? 01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:27.380 But you know, we since we don't advertise 01:16:28.080 --> 01:16:34.660 It was it was better to show Toxie's face and Sid Blaise did this wonderful very very 01:16:36.019 --> 01:16:39.760 penetrating image that is with the mop and and 01:16:41.480 --> 01:16:43.140 It's iconic now 01:16:44.160 --> 01:16:49.460 It's such like when you see somebody with the mop like it's right away 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:55.099 It's so iconic like I think a Toxie but that could just be me but no you're right. It's right 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:59.440 It's like kind of built into the American DNA at this point like that. 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:00.040 Yeah. 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.620 Yeah the phrase you mop 01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:04.080 It's become very popular 01:17:06.440 --> 01:17:11.180 President Bush just I mean President Biden just said that 01:17:12.480 --> 01:17:14.420 He's a big trauma fan from what I understand. 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:15.020 Yes. 01:17:15.200 --> 01:17:17.100 He is. He likes rabid grannies 01:17:17.620 --> 01:17:23.500 I I seem to seem to remember that beware children at play. He would show to his sons before bedtime. 01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:24.440 That's right 01:17:24.280 --> 01:17:24.940 Yes, 01:17:25.200 --> 01:17:25.560 exactly. 01:17:26.200 --> 01:17:28.280 Was it Gringo? 01:17:30.900 --> 01:17:32.420 Oh, Story of a Junkie. 01:17:32.440 --> 01:17:34.920 Yeah, I think he and Hunter used to watch that. 01:17:35.240 --> 01:17:36.820 They used to bond together, 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:37.760 father and son. 01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:39.780 They would watch it in the Chelsea Hotel together. 01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:40.020 Story. 01:17:41.580 --> 01:17:42.820 That's it, could well be. 01:17:44.120 --> 01:17:44.600 So, 01:17:45.480 --> 01:17:46.580 you've been, 01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:50.340 you know, you have tons of fans and stuff around the world, 01:17:50.340 --> 01:17:57.780 And one of the things about trauma fans that I've seen there's some really rabid ones that have tattoos of the toxic 01:17:57.980 --> 01:18:03.300 Avenger or you kid you remember the first time you saw a trauma tattoo 01:18:03.300 --> 01:18:08.100 And what what did that feel like like that's got to be weird, right? I don't remember 01:18:09.080 --> 01:18:13.280 But I can tell you that I probably had to change my underwear. Let's put it that way 01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:13.680 That's good. 01:18:14.280 --> 01:18:16.179 That's a big deal that somebody would 01:18:17.260 --> 01:18:22.560 It's it's probably a lot more common to see trauma and toxic tattoos now 01:18:22.740 --> 01:18:25.700 But but I can only imagine like the first yeah 01:18:26.280 --> 01:18:31.900 Well my mind you said it and then occasionally this my face on people's 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.340 Inner thighs, you know that kind of thing 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:37.760 I think about that your face 01:18:39.580 --> 01:18:40.220 Yes, 01:18:40.460 --> 01:18:42.300 exactly not always tattooed oh 01:18:43.500 --> 01:18:45.040 That's another podcast. 01:18:45.460 --> 01:18:47.560 That's my university days. 01:18:48.750 --> 01:18:48.900 (laughing) 01:18:48.900 --> 01:18:49.860 My salad years. 01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:52.720 The salad tossing days. 01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:54.000 The tossing salad years. 01:18:54.930 --> 01:18:55.080 (laughing) 01:18:57.300 --> 01:19:00.140 One thing I like in your career 01:19:00.290 --> 01:19:01.500 is that there's definite, 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.540 like here is this era, the sexy comedy era, 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:07.760 or as people refer to, you know, 01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:09.740 like the toxic avenger through Kabuki Man, 01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:10.720 like the golden era. 01:19:11.200 --> 01:19:15.900 and then the new era where it starts with Tromeo 01:19:15.900 --> 01:19:16.840 and Poultry Geist, 01:19:17.540 --> 01:19:19.360 was there a conscious effort 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:23.420 to kind of go more shocking from Kabuki Man, 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:28.440 which is a more friendly movie than Tromeo, 01:19:28.440 --> 01:19:31.280 and they kind of become more offensive 01:19:31.410 --> 01:19:33.700 as they go on to some viewers. 01:19:33.900 --> 01:19:35.020 Was that a conscious effort, 01:19:35.120 --> 01:19:38.160 or is that just kind of the evolution that was natural? 01:19:38.480 --> 01:19:40.940 good thing you tacked on to some viewers. 01:19:41.700 --> 01:19:42.960 I don't think they're offensive. 01:19:45.160 --> 01:19:47.080 I was waiting for that, believe you me. 01:19:48.080 --> 01:19:50.440 'Cause I show the movies to friends 01:19:50.980 --> 01:19:51.340 and it's, 01:19:51.700 --> 01:19:54.160 you know, this is what it is. 01:19:54.220 --> 01:19:55.660 It's a work of art, but they're like, 01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:57.520 oh my goodness, you know, the Pearl Pluchet. 01:19:57.760 --> 01:19:59.100 You have to tell a lot of people, 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.560 you know, they don't get it, but they're gonna do. 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:04.580 And we officially first met on Poultry Geist. 01:20:04.940 --> 01:20:05.480 Yes we did. 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:12.920 So my first few weeks there I was scrubbing the McDonald's, just keeping it clean. 01:20:14.700 --> 01:20:20.360 And I remember one day you came to the church before I met you and I did not have a job 01:20:20.420 --> 01:20:21.200 that I was working on. 01:20:21.200 --> 01:20:22.440 They were like, "Do you want to meet Lloyd?" 01:20:22.440 --> 01:20:26.000 I was like, "I don't want Lloyd to see me not working the first time." 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:26.140 Like, 01:20:26.660 --> 01:20:26.760 "Mr. 01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:27.360 Kaufman, 01:20:27.660 --> 01:20:29.240 I really like the Toxic Avenger. 01:20:29.400 --> 01:20:31.540 Thank you for letting me work on your film." 01:20:31.540 --> 01:20:35.820 So the first time I met you was inside of the chicken bunker and you came up to me and 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:38.220 you were like, "You went to Columbine, right?" 01:20:38.380 --> 01:20:42.120 And we just kind of hit it off right off the bat where you and Gabe... 01:20:42.120 --> 01:20:44.080 To Columbine, I couldn't possibly have said that. 01:20:44.140 --> 01:20:44.500 No, 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:45.580 no, I don't think so. 01:20:45.580 --> 01:20:45.640 No bad taste. 01:20:46.180 --> 01:20:47.860 That was Gabe Friedman, he said that. 01:20:48.080 --> 01:20:51.040 But you trusted me and Richard. 01:20:51.040 --> 01:20:52.740 That was Richard Taylor, he said that. 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:53.880 Yeah, it must have been. 01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:55.980 The fog of time. 01:20:56.540 --> 01:20:56.900 Exactly. 01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:57.600 It clouds things over. 01:20:57.600 --> 01:20:59.540 I was getting you to the prayer meetings. 01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:01.480 We had 7am prayer meetings, 01:21:01.700 --> 01:21:02.320 don't you remember? 01:21:02.460 --> 01:21:04.980 And you and Richard, I tried to get you to come. 01:21:05.080 --> 01:21:08.060 It was 6am rap, 7am prayer meetings. 01:21:08.070 --> 01:21:08.900 Yeah, you went to, 01:21:09.300 --> 01:21:11.080 couldn't get you to do it. 01:21:11.620 --> 01:21:11.840 Anyway, 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:12.320 go on. 01:21:12.340 --> 01:21:13.200 But you, 01:21:13.900 --> 01:21:16.300 but just from that brief interaction, 01:21:16.440 --> 01:21:17.520 and you remembered the, 01:21:18.040 --> 01:21:18.640 like me and Richard 01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:20.760 made a short film for the Toxic Avenger 01:21:20.900 --> 01:21:23.980 21st Anniversary DVD, and you and Gabe remembered that. 01:21:24.420 --> 01:21:27.460 And you trusted us with doing the blood on that film, 01:21:27.660 --> 01:21:30.440 which little did we know when we were like, 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:32.540 of course we'll make the blood for this movie, 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:34.920 that that was gonna be a whole nother- 01:21:35.180 --> 01:21:39.220 20 hours a day of mixing various types of blood too, 01:21:39.320 --> 01:21:45.900 because you can't just go with the sugar. 01:21:46.740 --> 01:21:48.000 Yeah, you can't always do corn syrup. 01:21:48.200 --> 01:21:49.100 Sometimes it's gotta- 01:21:49.100 --> 01:21:51.080 It clogs up the surgical tubing. 01:21:51.100 --> 01:21:53.120 Higher extinguishers and yeah. 01:21:53.380 --> 01:21:55.280 Well, not that so much, but the tubing, 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:56.760 it really clogs up. 01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:00.140 No, you're right the fire extinguishers. Yeah, otherwise, 01:22:00.320 --> 01:22:02.140 that's why it looks like water when it comes out 01:22:02.180 --> 01:22:02.400 Yeah 01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:06.880 but like you had us all all learn on set Richard calls himself the 01:22:07.060 --> 01:22:10.360 R2d2 of Tromaville because he was stuck inside that meat grinder 01:22:11.300 --> 01:22:14.500 That's right. Like spinning that around and spraying blood out 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.000 Yeah, that meat grinder was quite a feat 01:22:18.050 --> 01:22:22.820 I mean poultry guys is for the money it was again under half a million bucks. 01:22:23.320 --> 01:22:23.760 That's a 01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:29.800 300 chicken Indian zombies in the middle of the night and and 01:22:30.320 --> 01:22:31.920 singing and dancing and 01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:35.880 The whole thing we had a we lived in a church, 01:22:36.070 --> 01:22:38.180 which was where we shot the section. 01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:38.720 Yeah 01:22:39.180 --> 01:22:43.420 So that was funny. We were allowed to shoot sex scenes inside of the church. That was okay 01:22:43.810 --> 01:22:48.800 But also you had a lot of sex scenes inside that church for this lot of hookups in there 01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:56.460 Inside of that church was very it was the natural pheromones permeating through everything 01:22:57.820 --> 01:22:58.900 mixed with a 01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:00.220 delightful 01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:01.860 politically correct 01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:03.900 sauce of swamp ass 01:23:04.740 --> 01:23:09.160 To make a perfect burrito the aroma new trouble exactly 01:23:11.780 --> 01:23:17.600 But I was ironic because keep going you were saying we can the 01:23:18.280 --> 01:23:23.260 Hamburger McDonald's place. Yeah, the McDonald's wouldn't let us shoot. No nudity. 01:23:23.500 --> 01:23:24.540 No nudity there 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:28.400 That was not okay at the most Rob McDonald's in America. 01:23:28.580 --> 01:23:28.740 Yeah, 01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:30.600 where is that? And it was abandoned, 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:31.120 you know 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:36.800 We had all the people coming up either looking for jobs or shooting at us. 01:23:36.980 --> 01:23:37.900 That was horrible 01:23:39.300 --> 01:23:43.699 and then the church is where we replicated part of the 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.740 American chicken bunker and that's where the sex was. 01:23:47.940 --> 01:23:49.240 Well, I think that's funny too. 01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:50.520 Beautiful sex. We 01:23:51.160 --> 01:23:53.520 We went out one of the few 01:23:54.340 --> 01:23:55.820 It was glorious. 01:23:56.060 --> 01:24:00.060 It was everybody close set with about 200 people on the set 01:24:02.040 --> 01:24:03.320 I was not 01:24:03.820 --> 01:24:08.260 Invited on that close that those were that that was the only days I was not not on there 01:24:08.340 --> 01:24:13.079 But I will say my my sleeping bag was underneath some of the people on those 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.120 Nice lucky you 01:24:17.739 --> 01:24:23.880 Scrape that off before I would I would have liked to be that sleepy man the black mold 01:24:23.940 --> 01:24:26.520 Oh is envy it. I was envious of that black mold of that 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:31.600 But I've heard from other people who've worked on 01:24:32.400 --> 01:24:34.440 some of the newer trauma films like 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:41.219 Return to Newcomb higher shit storm or even citizen toxi that poultry guys was probably one of the more grueling of all the shoots 01:24:42.280 --> 01:24:43.560 From your perspective. 01:24:43.810 --> 01:24:49.020 Would you agree with that or was some of was there a harder film that you shot? 01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.880 Well the documentary about the making of 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:55.640 poultry guys is 01:24:56.659 --> 01:24:57.340 hilarious 01:24:58.500 --> 01:25:02.780 but it's the unvarnished truth of how difficult it is to make a 01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:05.160 trauma movie and you see the 01:25:06.160 --> 01:25:08.719 You see if right the camera guy almost got 01:25:09.160 --> 01:25:15.840 The director of photography got I don't know if he will you see yeah, he started a fistfight fistfight 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:18.579 and almost got his ass kicked and 01:25:19.420 --> 01:25:21.300 people fall in love and and 01:25:22.100 --> 01:25:28.580 Proposed in the documentary and I mean there's everything going on in that and you see how difficult 01:25:29.400 --> 01:25:34.900 Poultrygeist was to make and what a jerk I was in a large part of the event 01:25:36.120 --> 01:25:38.000 screaming at people and 01:25:38.480 --> 01:25:45.940 And then in the middle of the night we chose to shoot the nighttime scene with 300 zombie Indian 01:25:46.740 --> 01:25:47.160 chickens 01:25:48.280 --> 01:25:55.140 The shortest night of the year so battling the clock and the DP insists that it's time for a cheeseburger 01:25:55.340 --> 01:25:56.240 We need pizza. 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:56.980 No 01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:03.500 Yeah, we had to be cheeseburger so we had to give him an hour whatever it was 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:10.920 Losing daylight and he's inside reading and he's the only one he's reading a newspaper with his feet 01:26:11.940 --> 01:26:12.720 legs crossed 01:26:14.420 --> 01:26:17.880 And he was a good great guy just somehow in that movie 01:26:18.980 --> 01:26:19.820 he became the 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:22.660 Kind of the bad guy in the behind-the-scenes. 01:26:23.020 --> 01:26:23.200 Yeah. 01:26:23.440 --> 01:26:25.140 Yeah, it's weird because 01:26:26.260 --> 01:26:27.820 Have you have you talked to you? 01:26:28.320 --> 01:26:35.880 Have you talked to Brendan Flynn after after that or do you know how he feels about how he showed up in that documentary? 01:26:36.420 --> 01:26:37.060 I 01:26:37.180 --> 01:26:42.620 Don't know. I don't recall. I don't know that he's been in touch since then. 01:26:43.080 --> 01:26:44.380 I think he lives in Europe 01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:46.740 Beautiful wife. 01:26:47.540 --> 01:26:53.400 Okay, I believe he has a knockout one one thing that the documentary doesn't show 01:26:54.540 --> 01:26:56.699 which took me aback and 01:26:57.160 --> 01:27:00.800 Made me realize one thing I want to do how I run my sets 01:27:01.460 --> 01:27:04.540 was at the end of the day no matter the arguments or 01:27:04.980 --> 01:27:11.840 Like sometimes during shooting like you just might not like any of us might not like each other because we're at ends 01:27:12.040 --> 01:27:13.120 artistically or whatever 01:27:13.300 --> 01:27:16.160 but at the end of the day when we wrapped you went around to 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:20.520 every single person on set whether it was the the lead person or 01:27:21.180 --> 01:27:26.960 Somebody who was driving to and from set and you personally thanked them and it wasn't a lip service 01:27:27.200 --> 01:27:29.000 Like you could tell it was a deep heartfelt. 01:27:29.200 --> 01:27:30.060 No, thank you 01:27:30.260 --> 01:27:34.840 you said and that's something that none of the behind-the-scenes documentaries show and 01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:42.800 That really really impressed me that that was something that you did and I I've taken that to heart 01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:46.539 on everything I've ever done after that to 01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:51.840 like it meant a lot on especially on some of those tough days on poultry guys like 01:27:52.360 --> 01:27:55.420 We're arguing in in a shit-covered bathroom. 01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:56.020 Oh 01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:57.060 Yeah, 01:27:57.580 --> 01:28:02.920 like that was probably the worst day for me on set was Joe Fikers Joe flyshakers shit day 01:28:03.200 --> 01:28:03.420 Yeah, 01:28:03.580 --> 01:28:05.440 the diarrhea exploding diarrhea. 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:09.040 It just nothing worked right and we were all angry with each other 01:28:09.160 --> 01:28:10.780 But yeah, it was a tough day. 01:28:11.020 --> 01:28:12.960 You still gave us a heartfelt. 01:28:13.200 --> 01:28:15.519 Thank you. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean seriously 01:28:16.480 --> 01:28:17.480 People sleeping, 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.320 yeah, I mean it's not that long ago 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:23.560 I was doing that, you know, I'm practically doing it 01:28:23.580 --> 01:28:24.280 to this day, 01:28:24.740 --> 01:28:26.800 learning to shit in a paper bag, you know. 01:28:26.940 --> 01:28:27.500 I mean it's, 01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:30.100 I can feel it, it's in my blood, 01:28:30.260 --> 01:28:30.480 you know. 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:36.500 I'm still grabbing the bread from the free breakfast 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:38.300 if I'm up early enough or whatever. 01:28:39.040 --> 01:28:41.259 By the way, the breakfast here in the- 01:28:42.700 --> 01:28:43.880 That's what I, I'm gonna sample some- 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:45.280 I don't wanna say the name of the hotel, 01:28:45.440 --> 01:28:47.200 but apparently it's really great. 01:28:47.260 --> 01:28:47.920 That's what I hear. 01:28:48.060 --> 01:28:49.820 Free omelets should come in. 01:28:50.220 --> 01:28:51.840 It's too early, that's the problem. 01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:53.280 Very early. 01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:54.040 Yeah. 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:56.600 Speaking of poultry guys with eggs. 01:28:57.500 --> 01:28:59.240 That's exactly what I wanted to hear. 01:28:59.560 --> 01:28:59.660 Exactly. 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:01.360 No yolk. 01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:01.940 Yeah, 01:29:02.160 --> 01:29:03.200 you're cracking me up. 01:29:04.220 --> 01:29:04.740 (laughing) 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:06.820 We shall not do that again. 01:29:07.020 --> 01:29:08.600 You are so shellfish. 01:29:09.200 --> 01:29:10.340 You're very shellfish. 01:29:10.580 --> 01:29:11.160 (laughing) 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:13.220 Well, 01:29:13.820 --> 01:29:17.260 I wanna kinda jump a little more 01:29:17.320 --> 01:29:19.040 to #ShakespeareShitstorm. 01:29:19.320 --> 01:29:19.600 Okay, 01:29:20.260 --> 01:29:22.920 but we may have to kind of wind this down 01:29:23.040 --> 01:29:24.920 because I'm getting weak, 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:28.860 but we could all go out and have a bite to eat if you want. 01:29:28.900 --> 01:29:32.000 I think we'll wind this down after this, 01:29:32.060 --> 01:29:32.920 but I do wanna- 01:29:33.100 --> 01:29:34.600 We can do another session too. 01:29:34.700 --> 01:29:36.040 Oh, we'll definitely have to. 01:29:36.120 --> 01:29:38.660 I think this'll be the good kind of, 01:29:38.900 --> 01:29:42.280 the intro to Lloyd, and we'll do more on that. 01:29:42.360 --> 01:29:45.480 But just a couple more things before we really wind down. 01:29:45.540 --> 01:29:45.880 Sure, sure. 01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:51.320 So I watched Battle of Love's Return before this weekend, 01:29:51.660 --> 01:29:52.740 and I noticed- 01:29:52.740 --> 01:29:55.240 No, this lip gloss is very sweet, 01:29:55.400 --> 01:29:56.300 it's rather tasty. 01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:56.740 Ooh, 01:29:57.240 --> 01:29:58.240 ooh, you're right, it is. 01:29:58.700 --> 01:29:59.160 Nice, 01:29:59.340 --> 01:29:59.800 yeah. 01:30:01.740 --> 01:30:02.080 But anyway, 01:30:02.240 --> 01:30:02.700 so I was- 01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:03.400 I want more. 01:30:04.160 --> 01:30:05.800 I was watching Battle of Love's Return, 01:30:06.060 --> 01:30:10.060 and in one of the opening scenes of that film, 01:30:10.280 --> 01:30:12.480 your father quote Shakespeare. 01:30:13.940 --> 01:30:18.000 And I noticed at the end of #ShakespeareShitstorm 01:30:18.220 --> 01:30:21.860 that you're probably similar in age to when he shot that 01:30:21.890 --> 01:30:25.540 as to when you shot #ShakespeareShitstorm 01:30:25.620 --> 01:30:27.140 and you're giving your soliloquy. 01:30:27.510 --> 01:30:29.800 And it felt like, and I've heard you say in other interviews 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.780 this might be the last movie you direct. 01:30:32.400 --> 01:30:34.980 And it felt like kind of like a perfect bookend 01:30:36.360 --> 01:30:38.520 of your filmmaking career. 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:42.260 Was that intentional or was that? 01:30:42.540 --> 01:30:42.720 No, 01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:43.660 not intentional, 01:30:43.940 --> 01:30:46.840 but I certainly was extremely moved 01:30:47.460 --> 01:30:51.380 by the Revel speech, which is the scene you're talking about 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:56.220 and the fact that my daughters are in the shot with me 01:30:56.620 --> 01:31:00.240 talking about Revels now are ended. 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:02.680 These are actors are just, 01:31:03.980 --> 01:31:08.359 these are just dreams and we are such stuff 01:31:08.360 --> 01:31:14.940 dreams are made of and meanwhile my daughters are in the scene and you know 01:31:15.160 --> 01:31:22.400 kind of has several yeah I mean I did tear up luckily our crew took so 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:29.260 fucking long to put the lights on that I think I gave better rehearsals but I 01:31:29.300 --> 01:31:34.280 don't know if I've had I was a bit teary in that I don't know if any of your 01:31:34.100 --> 01:31:37.740 films that ever made me like weep before but that scene did. 01:31:38.140 --> 01:31:39.920 And I think it just shows 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:43.320 through your career that you are a powerful filmmaker. 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:44.100 Oh, thank you. 01:31:44.440 --> 01:31:44.760 Thank you. 01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:46.000 My stepmother, 01:31:46.220 --> 01:31:46.600 Sigrun, 01:31:47.100 --> 01:31:50.900 for whom #ShakespeareShitstorm is dedicated 01:31:51.120 --> 01:31:53.500 along with Stan Lee and John G. Avilson, 01:31:54.060 --> 01:31:56.060 she wept during Toxic Avenger. 01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:57.539 So we had the first 01:31:57.500 --> 01:32:01.760 screening. It was an investor screening and my father brought her, 01:32:03.400 --> 01:32:03.840 Sigrund, my 01:32:04.060 --> 01:32:04.300 stepmother, 01:32:04.540 --> 01:32:09.920 and Leni Riefenstahl and who brought a some kind of big German judge 01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:13.600 to see the first commercial, 01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:15.640 you know, first investor screening of the 01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:20.540 Toxic Avenger and it was a great evening. 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:24.319 I don't know if you're fucking with me. Did Leni Riefenstahl actually... 01:32:24.320 --> 01:32:24.780 Yes, 01:32:25.380 --> 01:32:25.820 yes, 01:32:26.040 --> 01:32:29.440 because she'd stay with my stepmother and father. 01:32:30.360 --> 01:32:33.320 And by the time Toxic Adventure came along, 01:32:33.460 --> 01:32:34.260 she was interested. 01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:35.420 Oh my goodness. 01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:36.420 She showed up. 01:32:36.860 --> 01:32:38.120 And we didn't have, unfortunately, 01:32:38.180 --> 01:32:40.560 we didn't have digital cameras. 01:32:40.820 --> 01:32:41.060 I mean, 01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:42.400 if we would have had it, 01:32:42.400 --> 01:32:44.480 you know, it would have been great to film some of that. 01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:47.100 And she was literally staying with my father 01:32:47.740 --> 01:32:49.740 and Sigrun numerous times. 01:32:50.380 --> 01:32:52.780 And we had dinner with her, we went to, 01:32:53.080 --> 01:32:59.760 know did you you and us how to cook and with ovens I mean it must have been a 01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:08.740 gas did a special Thanksgiving did you and Lenny Riefenstahl share any tricks 01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:14.760 of the trade we well I was very my wife and I were like really didn't want to 01:33:15.020 --> 01:33:20.159 screw around because you know the woman it was one of the greatest filmmakers of 01:33:20.120 --> 01:33:20.680 all time. 01:33:21.340 --> 01:33:22.320 And she didn't, 01:33:22.700 --> 01:33:25.500 she was just a woman trying to have a career and if she 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:28.940 had come to New York, Leonard Riefenstahl would have been cutting negative for 01:33:29.180 --> 01:33:31.260 Disney or something, you know, doing an anonymous, 01:33:32.400 --> 01:33:32.660 you know, 01:33:32.940 --> 01:33:34.000 woman, 01:33:34.340 --> 01:33:34.820 chattel, 01:33:35.240 --> 01:33:35.760 chattel. 01:33:36.060 --> 01:33:41.999 And so I understand that she had an opportunity and you know she was a movie 01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:43.920 star in Germany, very beautiful, 01:33:45.120 --> 01:33:46.320 these Alpine films. 01:33:47.410 --> 01:33:49.620 And you know, 01:33:50.540 --> 01:33:52.640 she served her time. 01:33:52.850 --> 01:33:53.200 I mean, 01:33:53.380 --> 01:33:57.120 what are you gonna... I don't think she really burned up anybody. 01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:04.100 There was some talk that she had something going with Hitler. 01:34:05.480 --> 01:34:10.840 historians have suggested that she defecated on Hitler. 01:34:12.480 --> 01:34:13.640 So I don't know if 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:14.140 that's true. 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:15.840 Maybe just a shitty rumor. 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:18.980 I sure got a lot of bone around that. 01:34:20.040 --> 01:34:20.600 Amazing. 01:34:22.060 --> 01:34:24.020 But I want to know... 01:34:24.020 --> 01:34:25.380 Talk about serf Nazis. 01:34:25.860 --> 01:34:28.660 I did not create serf Nazis. 01:34:29.420 --> 01:34:31.520 You had the foresight to put it out. 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:31.820 Yeah, 01:34:32.060 --> 01:34:32.540 oh yeah, 01:34:32.700 --> 01:34:35.640 the stupidity probably. But that actually is a masterpiece. 01:34:36.200 --> 01:34:37.060 It's a beautiful 01:34:37.400 --> 01:34:42.260 film and when it came out it was a bit just the idea of Nazi. 01:34:43.020 --> 01:34:44.720 And we pushed it big at 01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:48.880 Cannes and luckily people saw it the right way. 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:53.780 And Michael Hirs changed the title to 01:34:53.860 --> 01:34:54.680 Must Die. 01:34:55.340 --> 01:34:57.080 Rather it was just Surf Nazis originally. 01:34:57.580 --> 01:34:59.680 I think that, well, it's a funner title now. 01:35:00.080 --> 01:35:00.660 Yeah, 01:35:00.860 --> 01:35:04.500 well, how do you criticize? You can't criticize it. It's a must-die, you know. 01:35:04.980 --> 01:35:05.620 It's not a... 01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:07.720 It was... people were pissed off by it. 01:35:08.400 --> 01:35:12.160 Even the Serf Nazis Must Die title back in the mid 80s. 01:35:12.540 --> 01:35:19.260 And I think we got lucky because Ebert or Rex Reed, one of them, 01:35:20.580 --> 01:35:24.280 was curious at Cannes and went to see it at the Cannes Film Festival. 01:35:24.820 --> 01:35:26.420 We went to theaters and went through... 01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:31.300 We had big posters in front of Carlton Hotel with "Surf Nazis Must Die." 01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:36.040 And there were a couple of serious critics who saw it and saw that it was a good film. 01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.840 With beautiful photography of the surfing stuff. 01:35:41.420 --> 01:35:46.940 I'm a surf movie nerd and like that's some of the best like of that era surfing footage. 01:35:46.980 --> 01:35:48.980 The guy who shot "Any Wednesday" 01:35:49.340 --> 01:35:56.840 for Director Red October or something? 01:35:57.100 --> 01:35:57.240 Yeah. 01:35:58.340 --> 01:35:59.760 I know who you're talking about. 01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:01.400 It begins with D maybe. Anyway, 01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:05.080 you know, it's a very good series director. 01:36:05.360 --> 01:36:11.120 But anyway, that camera person did the surfing in "Surf Nazis Must Die." 01:36:11.220 --> 01:36:12.980 Peter George is the... 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:15.980 Also did "Young Goodman Brown." 01:36:15.980 --> 01:36:16.180 Yes, 01:36:16.620 --> 01:36:16.760 indeed. 01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:19.340 Another Troma classic. 01:36:19.380 --> 01:36:19.600 Well, 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:20.860 also I'm a Rappaccini, 01:36:21.020 --> 01:36:21.880 I told you earlier. 01:36:22.700 --> 01:36:25.180 I'm a Hawthorne freak. 01:36:25.780 --> 01:36:26.800 So Peter, 01:36:27.200 --> 01:36:28.740 when he came to us with that, 01:36:29.220 --> 01:36:30.700 and it wasn't finished, 01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:32.100 and we finished it, 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:34.120 and it had a star in it. 01:36:35.440 --> 01:36:38.760 I can't remember who it was, but sort of a star. 01:36:39.320 --> 01:36:41.720 But we lost our ass on that one. 01:36:42.580 --> 01:36:42.860 Well, 01:36:43.180 --> 01:36:44.720 I wanna wrap this up, 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:46.100 But one thing- 01:36:46.100 --> 01:36:48.240 And Young Goodman Brown is a fine movie. 01:36:48.320 --> 01:36:50.440 It's Hawthorne, my God, what the hell? 01:36:50.940 --> 01:36:52.520 And we couldn't make two cents. 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:53.080 Couldn't. 01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:54.620 Maybe it should have said, 01:36:54.740 --> 01:36:56.960 "From the director of 'Surf Nazis Must Die,' 01:36:56.960 --> 01:37:00.020 "comes Hopford's most explosive story, 01:37:00.380 --> 01:37:01.480 "Young Goodman Brown." 01:37:01.480 --> 01:37:02.140 Exactly, 01:37:02.300 --> 01:37:03.560 that's how we should have done it. 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:04.020 Yeah, 01:37:04.200 --> 01:37:05.320 we should have done it that way. 01:37:05.400 --> 01:37:06.600 That's a great idea. 01:37:07.140 --> 01:37:08.780 Should contact Peter George. 01:37:09.120 --> 01:37:10.220 You should interview him. 01:37:10.380 --> 01:37:11.640 I would love to. 01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:19.520 Serf Nazis is all his and the producer's name slips my mind, 01:37:19.620 --> 01:37:23.540 but they're great guys and wonderful movie. 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:25.620 They just were way ahead of their time. 01:37:25.740 --> 01:37:26.400 Oh, definitely. 01:37:28.200 --> 01:37:32.180 I wanna wind this down, but one thing myself 01:37:32.420 --> 01:37:37.040 and I know other people who love trauma 01:37:37.200 --> 01:37:41.160 and wanna know what is the future for trauma, 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:42.920 especially in the next, 01:37:43.180 --> 01:37:43.900 like, 01:37:44.080 --> 01:37:46.480 after maybe you and Michael pass on, 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:49.020 is the company gonna go to your daughters? 01:37:49.200 --> 01:37:51.880 Or what's the future for Troma? 01:37:53.540 --> 01:37:54.800 That I don't know, 01:37:54.980 --> 01:37:56.580 but to some extent, 01:37:57.100 --> 01:37:58.760 Troma has a life of its own. 01:37:59.580 --> 01:38:00.980 Certainly, the Toxic Avenger, 01:38:01.790 --> 01:38:02.760 among other things, 01:38:03.240 --> 01:38:03.820 lives on. 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:07.520 So I imagine those movies would be, 01:38:09.280 --> 01:38:11.420 We want him to stay in a group. 01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:15.780 So I would guess at some point someone will pop up. 01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:18.760 But Michael Hirst is a bit younger than I am. 01:38:19.340 --> 01:38:20.740 I know he looks much older, 01:38:20.940 --> 01:38:22.460 but he is actually 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:23.800 four years younger than I. 01:38:24.500 --> 01:38:25.340 And no, I'm joking. 01:38:25.580 --> 01:38:27.020 Michael is very, very attractive. 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.100 He's funnier and nicer and much more attractive. 01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:32.080 But he just doesn't like the, 01:38:32.460 --> 01:38:33.440 he's very private. 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:34.380 Very private. 01:38:34.580 --> 01:38:36.560 Well tell him I really want to talk to him. 01:38:36.700 --> 01:38:37.940 Yeah, no, no, don't worry, I will. 01:38:38.360 --> 01:38:43.480 my daughter Lily Hayes and Charlotte Kaufman who've been making a long-term 01:38:44.120 --> 01:38:51.480 documentary sort of inter dealing with the our family they want to talk to him 01:38:51.580 --> 01:38:56.020 too so you know and there's a guy writing a book about me you ought to 01:38:56.040 --> 01:39:08.340 talk to him he's he's a librarian of Dartmouth University oh cool and has a 01:39:08.340 --> 01:39:08.540 Yeah, 01:39:09.060 --> 01:39:10.660 freaky guy too, nice guy. 01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:14.820 Well, I really appreciate you coming on and being candid 01:39:14.980 --> 01:39:17.040 and we'll have to have you back, 01:39:17.060 --> 01:39:20.520 I wanna have you back on so we could talk more about 01:39:20.980 --> 01:39:22.880 like the terraformers and citizen toxis 01:39:23.080 --> 01:39:24.520 and like there's so many other, 01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:25.580 like there's so much, 01:39:26.160 --> 01:39:27.600 but like we can't have 01:39:27.740 --> 01:39:29.340 like a 12 hour interview. 01:39:29.980 --> 01:39:30.820 We can do it, 01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:32.780 I don't know about tomorrow 01:39:33.160 --> 01:39:35.080 because I have to leave it too, 01:39:35.240 --> 01:39:36.300 but we can do Zoom. 01:39:36.660 --> 01:39:37.560 Yeah, we could do Zoom, 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:38.640 but this first one, 01:39:38.700 --> 01:39:39.860 it was important that we did it in person. 01:39:39.860 --> 01:39:41.860 Yeah, I'm glad we did it live, yeah. 01:39:41.940 --> 01:39:43.560 So thank you so much, Lloyd. 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.640 And for those out there who don't know 01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:48.220 where they can follow you- 01:39:48.220 --> 01:39:48.340 Well, 01:39:48.540 --> 01:39:49.640 first of all, thank you, 01:39:50.040 --> 01:39:50.680 Zach Beans, 01:39:50.820 --> 01:39:54.740 for being so generous with your time 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.260 and being you and Richard Taylor and Zach Fester, 01:39:59.720 --> 01:39:59.900 what? 01:40:00.460 --> 01:40:00.700 Eastman. 01:40:01.220 --> 01:40:02.020 Jack Eastman, 01:40:02.400 --> 01:40:02.860 Kodak, 01:40:03.820 --> 01:40:05.160 founder of Kodak's, 01:40:05.340 --> 01:40:05.540 incredible. 01:40:05.680 --> 01:40:06.320 (laughing) 01:40:09.120 --> 01:40:09.940 He's swimming in money, 01:40:10.040 --> 01:40:11.600 we'd be living in a penthouse right now. 01:40:11.860 --> 01:40:13.620 Came from Colorado, 01:40:13.900 --> 01:40:14.220 I'm sure. 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:16.120 Anyway, 01:40:16.380 --> 01:40:17.460 thank you very much 01:40:17.580 --> 01:40:20.680 for spreading the Troma love in Colorado 01:40:20.820 --> 01:40:23.140 and getting that screening the other night 01:40:23.180 --> 01:40:24.780 at the C Cultural Center. 01:40:25.200 --> 01:40:28.120 That's because of your work with Richard 01:40:28.340 --> 01:40:35.660 and spread to the wonderful Colorado Film Festival 01:40:35.660 --> 01:40:38.860 of Horror and boy was that the best audience. 01:40:39.200 --> 01:40:40.720 It was a lot of fun. 01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:40.880 Yeah, 01:40:41.100 --> 01:40:47.360 great and you guys interacted with the fans and they loved you and Adam the killer 01:40:48.340 --> 01:40:48.660 zombie. 01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:52.940 That's Adam the amazing zombie killer. 01:40:53.100 --> 01:40:55.780 It's getting late, late out there for the... 01:40:55.800 --> 01:41:01.460 Well I'm on New York time too so I'm a little... and I'm sky high on cat tranquilizers. 01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:03.760 It all comes together. 01:41:03.940 --> 01:41:06.500 It's called Cheezing where you sniff the glands of the cat. 01:41:06.660 --> 01:41:06.920 Oh, 01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:09.180 thank you, I knew there was a name for it. 01:41:09.240 --> 01:41:09.400 Yeah, 01:41:09.780 --> 01:41:11.360 so you've been cheezing with us out here. 01:41:12.260 --> 01:41:14.040 But no, thank you so much. 01:41:14.080 --> 01:41:18.260 And where on the social medias can people find more about 01:41:18.980 --> 01:41:22.240 what you're up to or just trauma stuff in general? 01:41:22.660 --> 01:41:22.880 Well, 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.540 I spend a lot of time on cheezing.com, 01:41:27.500 --> 01:41:29.060 very good site, 01:41:29.660 --> 01:41:30.300 really good. 01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:34.060 That's knockdownthemanholeclub.com. 01:41:34.500 --> 01:41:34.740 Well, 01:41:35.080 --> 01:41:36.400 the vegan cheesing, 01:41:36.660 --> 01:41:38.400 because it's a vegan podcast. 01:41:38.820 --> 01:41:41.320 They use almond butter, I think, to- 01:41:41.360 --> 01:41:41.740 No, 01:41:41.980 --> 01:41:42.600 boy butter. 01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:43.460 Boy butter. 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:44.700 Boy butter, that's the official- 01:41:44.700 --> 01:41:46.500 With a sprinkling of nutritional yeast, right? 01:41:46.540 --> 01:41:49.340 That's the official butter of the old Troma team. 01:41:50.420 --> 01:41:51.100 Truffle butter. 01:41:51.320 --> 01:41:51.960 It's wonderful. 01:41:52.580 --> 01:41:52.820 Anyway, 01:41:53.100 --> 01:41:56.160 if you want to hear more about Troma, 01:41:57.100 --> 01:42:02.420 go to talk in trauma what they can learn all about yeah they Oh trauma now we 01:42:02.480 --> 01:42:08.580 should talk about yes trauma tell them about trauma is is the only place where 01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:12.880 Adam the amazing zombie killer is streaming and all the films I talked 01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:19.680 about on my show are on trauma now watch dot trauma comm and it's on roku and 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:24.719 several other devices it's an app right yeah it's an app it's $4.99 a month 01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:29.060 Which is cheaper than all the the mega conglomerate about the first month. What is it? 01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:31.760 It's free what it's free. 01:42:32.540 --> 01:42:34.300 So you can cancel after a month. 01:42:34.580 --> 01:42:36.820 Yeah, you can just sign up with another email address 01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:38.440 And get perfect. 01:42:38.940 --> 01:42:39.040 Yeah, 01:42:39.340 --> 01:42:39.780 so why? 01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:41.820 What are we waiting for? 01:42:41.980 --> 01:42:46.600 Let's go all the old ex-trauma employees email addresses. You don't work there anymore 01:42:47.080 --> 01:42:48.140 So I'm about out of free 01:42:49.280 --> 01:42:51.940 FBI's going and knocking on all these people's stores 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:57.960 stealing this guy who keeps watching Eve's Beach fantasy and being 01:42:58.480 --> 01:42:58.840 disappointed 01:43:00.679 --> 01:43:05.920 where's the penis I don't see one penetration I was looking for those 01:43:06.080 --> 01:43:12.340 Louis Sue films yeah well but it's a very difficult man but no yeah troma 01:43:12.440 --> 01:43:18.520 troma now is it's amazing and it's the perfect spot for me to do you what do 01:43:18.320 --> 01:43:20.700 What do you do, you go to the App Store 01:43:20.860 --> 01:43:22.660 and buy the Tromad Now app? 01:43:23.140 --> 01:43:26.340 Yeah, you just download the app and then you sign in. 01:43:26.860 --> 01:43:29.440 You create your login and it's free. 01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:31.200 And you can meet people there too. 01:43:31.320 --> 01:43:31.460 Yeah, 01:43:31.660 --> 01:43:33.900 so on some of the, 01:43:34.280 --> 01:43:35.200 like the phone app 01:43:35.320 --> 01:43:36.260 and on the website, 01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:38.160 there's message boards 01:43:38.360 --> 01:43:40.360 underneath the movies and you could talk back and forth. 01:43:40.360 --> 01:43:42.360 I know sometimes you participate in that as well. 01:43:42.420 --> 01:43:43.360 I have participated, 01:43:43.580 --> 01:43:43.780 yeah. 01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.800 And yeah, you could leave a little review 01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:48.900 on the movies on there. 01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:51.060 Sometimes you can ask questions 01:43:51.200 --> 01:43:52.440 about the making of the movies, 01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:54.060 and I've seen some of the filmmakers 01:43:54.060 --> 01:43:54.220 hop in on there too. - Yeah, 01:43:54.380 --> 01:43:54.860 I'll come on 01:43:54.860 --> 01:43:55.680 and talk about it. 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:59.260 And the commentary track. 01:43:59.360 --> 01:44:00.140 If you, for example, 01:44:00.380 --> 01:44:01.980 let's say you wanna see 01:44:02.100 --> 01:44:04.520 the Sergeant Kabuki Man NYPD, 01:44:05.120 --> 01:44:09.840 and learn why it's less disgusting 01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:11.180 than most of our movies. 01:44:13.320 --> 01:44:15.020 you can get that on Troma now. 01:44:15.540 --> 01:44:18.020 You can get the movie and then you can watch it again 01:44:18.120 --> 01:44:20.780 with the commentary and a lot of the questions 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:22.020 are answered there. 01:44:22.360 --> 01:44:25.380 Are even the drunken commentary for Cannibal the Musical, 01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:25.880 which is- 01:44:25.900 --> 01:44:27.140 Well, that's a trade, Matt, 01:44:27.240 --> 01:44:28.680 they were way ahead of their time. 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:31.840 And that's probably one of the most infamous commentaries 01:44:31.880 --> 01:44:32.600 that's out there. 01:44:32.650 --> 01:44:33.780 Oh, that's hilarious, yeah, and they were funny. 01:44:34.060 --> 01:44:34.860 And the thing is, 01:44:35.200 --> 01:44:38.280 there's hundreds of young men 01:44:38.300 --> 01:44:40.840 who were getting drunk and they're not funny. 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:42.380 And you listen to the commentators, 01:44:42.900 --> 01:44:43.020 Oh, 01:44:43.360 --> 01:44:43.440 Jesus, 01:44:43.620 --> 01:44:44.040 it's awful. 01:44:44.080 --> 01:44:44.540 I mean, they get- 01:44:44.540 --> 01:44:46.540 It's like being with a drunk at a cocktail party. 01:44:46.560 --> 01:44:47.760 They get so-- - They were beat together. 01:44:47.860 --> 01:44:48.040 Yeah, 01:44:48.200 --> 01:44:48.400 you know. 01:44:48.400 --> 01:44:50.640 They get so drunk, they turn the microphone off 01:44:50.660 --> 01:44:51.540 at some point during the commentary. 01:44:51.540 --> 01:44:53.280 Trey and Matt are hilarious. - It's still hilarious. 01:44:53.780 --> 01:44:55.120 Trey and Matt are great. 01:44:55.540 --> 01:44:55.820 Yeah, 01:44:56.020 --> 01:44:56.260 yeah. 01:44:56.900 --> 01:44:57.860 But awesome. 01:44:58.040 --> 01:44:59.020 Well, thank you so much, 01:44:59.260 --> 01:44:59.320 Lloyd. 01:44:59.580 --> 01:45:02.620 And I always like to wrap it up with the crowd. 01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:03.740 Everybody out there, 01:45:04.200 --> 01:45:05.700 stay traumatized. 01:45:05.860 --> 01:45:06.200 Oh, 01:45:07.140 --> 01:45:08.060 thank you, Zach. 01:45:08.160 --> 01:45:08.540 Thank you. 01:45:08.660 --> 01:45:09.620 Thank you, Zach Bean, 01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:12.300 and thank you to the good state of Colorado. 01:45:12.660 --> 01:45:14.360 Ooh, and thank you for your warm embrace. 01:45:16.720 --> 01:45:17.240 Oh, 01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:18.720 oh, hold me, 01:45:19.160 --> 01:45:19.680 hold me. 01:45:22.040 --> 01:45:23.080 (upbeat music) 01:45:26.400 --> 01:45:27.800 [MUSIC PLAYING]