1 00:00:01,899 --> 00:00:02,500 [Music] 2 00:00:22,699 --> 00:00:26,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Greetings from Tromaville. This is Lloyd Kaufman, president of Troma Entertainment, 3 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,320 Lloyd Kaufman: creator of the Toxic Avenger and professional foot fetishist. 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,480 Lloyd Kaufman: You're listening to Talkin' 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:32,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Troma 6 00:00:33,540 --> 00:00:35,000 Lloyd Kaufman: with Zack Beins, 7 00:00:35,420 --> 00:00:38,820 Lloyd Kaufman: but the actual way to pronounce it is Zach Beans, 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,460 Lloyd Kaufman: like Hill of Beans. 9 00:00:40,620 --> 00:00:40,920 Lloyd Kaufman: And let 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,480 Lloyd Kaufman: me tell you, 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,700 Lloyd Kaufman: the Talkin' Troma webcast is a podcast. 12 00:00:46,020 --> 00:00:47,380 Lloyd Kaufman: You don't need to see it. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:47,800 Lloyd Kaufman: It's 14 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:50,440 Lloyd Kaufman: so visual in your ears. 15 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:52,300 Lloyd Kaufman: In fact, you can taste it. 16 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:55,860 Lloyd Kaufman: Talkin' Troma by Zack Beans. 17 00:00:56,180 --> 00:00:56,500 Lloyd Kaufman: Thank you, 18 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:57,100 Lloyd Kaufman: ladies and gentlemen. 19 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:36,500 Zack Beins: Good morning Tromaville and welcome to the season finale of season two of Talkin' Troma 20 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:38,080 Zack Beins: with your host me, 21 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:39,900 Zack Beins: Zack Beins. 22 00:01:40,540 --> 00:01:42,480 Zack Beins: This is a very special episode, 23 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,500 Zack Beins: one that I've been waiting to do for a while. 24 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,480 Zack Beins: But before I really crack into anything, 25 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:50,100 Zack Beins: I want to thank everybody who's been out there 26 00:01:50,180 --> 00:01:51,040 Zack Beins: supporting the show, 27 00:01:51,220 --> 00:01:51,600 Zack Beins: listening, 28 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:54,500 Zack Beins: reaching out on the social medias. 29 00:01:54,500 --> 00:01:56,680 Zack Beins: I definitely appreciate that. 30 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,040 Zack Beins: And I got some big news for the show. 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Zack Beins: I'm going to announce it here. 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,600 Zack Beins: But it has been picked up by the Loudspeaker Network. 33 00:02:06,940 --> 00:02:12,380 Zack Beins: So what that means is I will get some better equipment to record with so the shows will 34 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:12,940 Zack Beins: sound better. 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,380 Zack Beins: They'll actually have an audio engineer so they will sound better than what I'm doing 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,220 Zack Beins: on my own. 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,520 Zack Beins: And just some more research resources. 38 00:02:23,220 --> 00:02:24,160 Zack Beins: It's pretty exciting. 39 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,540 Zack Beins: Um, I can't wait for, 40 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:27,520 Zack Beins: for that. 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Zack Beins: And they're gonna be bringing season three, 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Zack Beins: uh, coming to your air hole shortly. 43 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,980 Zack Beins: Um, so stay tuned for that, but really let's crack into why we're all here. 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,140 Zack Beins: And let's, 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,780 Zack Beins: let's hear my, uh, my, uh, interview with the man himself. 46 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:47,200 Zack Beins: Mr. 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,500 Zack Beins: Lloyd Kaufman. 48 00:02:51,860 --> 00:02:55,320 Lloyd Kaufman: hotel with the troma team from Denver, 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,140 Lloyd Kaufman: including Maggie, 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,440 Lloyd Kaufman: AKA Super Tromette- 51 00:03:01,460 --> 00:03:01,840 Lloyd Kaufman: [LAUGHTER] 52 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:04,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Dysmorphia. 53 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Dysmorphia. 54 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:09,240 Zack Beins: That's better than the last tromette name you gave her. 55 00:03:09,420 --> 00:03:10,720 Zack Beins: Do you remember that one? 56 00:03:10,980 --> 00:03:12,000 Dysmorphia: I chose my own. 57 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:12,440 Lloyd Kaufman: Thank you. 58 00:03:12,460 --> 00:03:15,180 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, you are very intellectual, Dysmorphia. 59 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:18,320 Lloyd Kaufman: You read a lot, I know. 60 00:03:18,460 --> 00:03:21,120 Lloyd Kaufman: But is that why you think you have a big vocabulary? 61 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:24,580 Lloyd Kaufman: or is it your folks or something? 62 00:03:25,420 --> 00:03:28,180 Lloyd Kaufman: But you must read a lot, no joke. 63 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:28,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,020 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah. 65 00:03:30,140 --> 00:03:31,880 Dysmorphia: How to Make Movies by Lloyd Kaufman. 66 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:32,980 Dysmorphia: (laughing) 67 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:34,420 Dysmorphia: How to Make Your Own Damn Movie. 68 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:35,680 Dysmorphia: Oh, thank you. 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,580 Dysmorphia: And Where the Red Foot Grows. 70 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Zack Beins: I can't read that, that makes me cry 71 00:03:41,540 --> 00:03:42,500 Zack Beins: when they kill the dogs. 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,800 Zack Beins: There's only one other time I cried 73 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:47,740 Zack Beins: when a dog was killed. 74 00:03:49,780 --> 00:03:50,340 Zack Beins: Old Yeller? 75 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:52,840 Zack Beins: I was gonna say Toxic Avenger. 76 00:03:53,380 --> 00:03:53,580 Zack Beins: No, 77 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,980 Zack Beins: I can't handle it in like, 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,220 Zack Beins: I mean in Toxic Avenger it's comical, 79 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:00,460 Zack Beins: but I can't handle whenever 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,620 Zack Beins: like they're killing animals in something. 81 00:04:03,650 --> 00:04:04,540 Zack Beins: I don't wanna watch that. 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Zack Beins: (laughing) 83 00:04:08,110 --> 00:04:08,520 Zack Beins: I agree. 84 00:04:08,850 --> 00:04:09,960 Unknown: I don't recommend you watch Wes Anderson movies 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,080 Unknown: 'cause he hates you for that. 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,160 Zack Beins: I don't recommend Wes Anderson movies 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,940 Zack Beins: is 'cause he is pretentious. 88 00:04:15,820 --> 00:04:16,160 Zack Beins: What? 89 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:16,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 90 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:17,340 Lloyd Kaufman: come on now. 91 00:04:17,579 --> 00:04:18,760 Lloyd Kaufman: Do you like, well- 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,260 Lloyd Kaufman: Now you have to take that out. 93 00:04:20,340 --> 00:04:23,480 Lloyd Kaufman: You're going to get canceled for that. 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:23,680 Lloyd Kaufman: I, 95 00:04:24,060 --> 00:04:25,480 Lloyd Kaufman: I was already, 96 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,580 Zack Beins: uh, canceled when I was in film school, 97 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,440 Zack Beins: there was the kids who wanted to make reservoir dogs. 98 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,800 Zack Beins: There's the kids who wanted to make Wes Anderson movies. 99 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:35,400 Zack Beins: And then there was me and Richard who wanted to make trauma movies. 100 00:04:36,140 --> 00:04:38,300 Zack Beins: And so we were canceled. 101 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,160 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes. Yeah. What about Maggie? 102 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,020 Zack Beins: You want to make though in film school? 103 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,000 Zack Beins: Music videos are fun. 104 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:50,660 Zack Beins: I love making music videos. 105 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Zack Beins: And live was very difficult to sync up. 106 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Maybe Maggie can come closer and get part- 107 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,660 Zack Beins: No, I'm gonna record something with Maggie later. 108 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:01,060 Zack Beins: I'm just giving him a bunch of shit. 109 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:04,320 Lloyd Kaufman: No, no, it makes it more entertaining that way. 110 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,140 Dysmorphia: No, no, Lloyd, this is gonna be you and me. 111 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:09,960 Lloyd Kaufman: Stupidest questions and my answers 112 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Lloyd Kaufman: are gonna be totally worthless, 113 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:14,300 Lloyd Kaufman: so you actually have a brain here and it'd be nice- 114 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:16,280 Dysmorphia: We just can't forget that we went to film school together. 115 00:05:16,340 --> 00:05:17,200 Zack Beins: No, it's true, we did. 116 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,300 Zack Beins: And Maggie was one of the few people, 117 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:22,120 Zack Beins: well actually it's funny 'cause we met 118 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:24,480 Zack Beins: on Cannibal Girl and Incest Boy. 119 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:26,500 Zack Beins: She was. 120 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:27,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 121 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:27,980 Zack Beins: how romantic. 122 00:05:28,300 --> 00:05:28,960 Zack Beins: Yeah, so. 123 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,800 Dysmorphia: It was a misled romance. 124 00:05:31,260 --> 00:05:31,660 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 125 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:32,560 Lloyd Kaufman: Who, 126 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:34,940 Lloyd Kaufman: I can't remember who was that, 127 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:37,020 Lloyd Kaufman: did that movie. 128 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:38,640 Lloyd Kaufman: That was me and Richard. 129 00:05:39,220 --> 00:05:39,360 Zack Beins: Oh, 130 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,000 Zack Beins: oh, all right. 131 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:41,120 Zack Beins: And Maggie. 132 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:43,060 Zack Beins: Well we crushed your head outside 133 00:05:43,140 --> 00:05:44,720 Zack Beins: of Curly's store in Albuquerque. 134 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,180 Lloyd Kaufman: Ah, that's it. 135 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:47,400 Zack Beins: I mean that was a long time ago. 136 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, no wonder I can't remember my head was crushed. 137 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:50,320 Lloyd Kaufman: All right, don't worry though, 138 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,940 Zack Beins: we're gonna go back further than 2007. 139 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,020 Unknown: I'm glad that it's faded again. 140 00:05:55,340 --> 00:05:55,780 Zack Beins: Yes. 141 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:57,460 Unknown: Yeah, the head's back to full format. 142 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:58,420 Unknown: Yeah, 143 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:58,940 Zack Beins: yeah. 144 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:00,520 Zack Beins: It's like a little drama dance here. 145 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:01,120 Zack Beins: Yeah. 146 00:06:02,860 --> 00:06:05,360 Zack Beins: I miss drama dance in Park City. 147 00:06:05,540 --> 00:06:05,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 148 00:06:06,060 --> 00:06:06,300 Lloyd Kaufman: well, 149 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,880 Lloyd Kaufman: it sure is nicer where we do it now. 150 00:06:08,980 --> 00:06:10,860 Zack Beins: It's so much more fun. - Oh yeah, it's not 15 degrees. 151 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, it's great, 152 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:13,500 Lloyd Kaufman: and you've got a huge crowd, 153 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,740 Lloyd Kaufman: and you've got the driving projection that's beautiful, 154 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,400 Lloyd Kaufman: So the kids get to see their movies on this huge stage. 155 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,900 Zack Beins: Instead of in Rumbunnies? 156 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:22,360 Zack Beins: Yeah, 157 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:22,720 Zack Beins: exactly. 158 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:23,840 Zack Beins: In like a ski bar? 159 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:24,620 Zack Beins: Yeah, right, 160 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Lloyd Kaufman: right, right. 161 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Lloyd Kaufman: So trying to turn the volume up on the TV 162 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,140 Lloyd Kaufman: louder than the drunk guy ordering his brews. 163 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:30,300 Lloyd Kaufman: Exactly. 164 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,280 Zack Beins: Although the brewfies was really good. 165 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:33,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Brewfies had pretty decent, 166 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,280 Lloyd Kaufman: and it was free. 167 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:36,960 Zack Beins: Yeah. 168 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,700 Lloyd Kaufman: It was free in brewfies too. 169 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,420 Zack Beins: But it was cool, like I had to pick Karen Black up 170 00:06:42,740 --> 00:06:43,340 Zack Beins: for one of the panels. 171 00:06:43,340 --> 00:06:45,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh that, I remember that, right. 172 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,080 Zack Beins: And then I think I don't remember if it's you or Gabe, but you're like Zach 173 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,420 Zack Beins: You need to clean your fucking car up cuz you gotta get Karen black from the air. 174 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:55,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, it was kind of a wreck of a 175 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,120 Lloyd Kaufman: car I remember 176 00:06:57,060 --> 00:07:01,120 Zack Beins: Well, so because we filmed cannibal girl in a bucket of blood flipped over on one of the seats 177 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:12,260 Lloyd Kaufman: But she Karen was so nice she wasn't she I mean she's she didn't care about that kind of stuff whereas Lynn Lowry 178 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,260 Lloyd Kaufman: was kind of 179 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:15,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 180 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,740 Lloyd Kaufman: like Karen Black, you know, very open-minded. 181 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,460 Lloyd Kaufman: And Karen was a really beautiful person. 182 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,620 Lloyd Kaufman: I was very- 183 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:27,200 Lloyd Kaufman: That movie you guys made together, 184 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,500 Zack Beins: the little silly short on some of the troma dance, 185 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,380 Zack Beins: the vampires like lost monsters. 186 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,040 Lloyd Kaufman: She had this idea, 187 00:07:35,220 --> 00:07:36,400 Lloyd Kaufman: I had nothing to do with it. 188 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:36,740 Lloyd Kaufman: She, 189 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Karen Black, 190 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,640 Lloyd Kaufman: just out of the blue wanted to do that, 191 00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:42,580 Lloyd Kaufman: exactly the way we shot it. 192 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Lloyd Kaufman: And to this moment, I forgot about it. 193 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,040 Zack Beins: Thank you for remembering. 194 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,640 Zack Beins: So what I've been doing is I've been going through 195 00:07:49,780 --> 00:07:53,080 Zack Beins: all my old VHS tapes and every single trauma DVD 196 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:56,600 Zack Beins: and uploading every special feature to archive it 197 00:07:56,660 --> 00:07:57,600 Zack Beins: so people can see it. 198 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,380 Zack Beins: Right now I have a disc of every single 199 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,120 Zack Beins: Trauma Team video introduction 200 00:08:02,580 --> 00:08:03,900 Zack Beins: that you and Michael have done. 201 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:04,440 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 202 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,000 Zack Beins: great. 203 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:06,320 Zack Beins: And that's not-- - How cool is that, 204 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Zack Beins: Maggie? 205 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,720 Zack Beins: There's no archive of that anywhere. 206 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,580 Zack Beins: Maybe on Trauma Now, I might send John- 207 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:11,560 Lloyd Kaufman: No, I don't think there is. 208 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,100 Zack Beins: I might send John those things. 209 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Zack Beins: Yeah, 210 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,760 Lloyd Kaufman: make sure I'm in on that when you do that 211 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,480 Lloyd Kaufman: so that I know it's there. 212 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:22,520 Zack Beins: It's just even if some of the quote advertisements 213 00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:23,600 Zack Beins: aren't valid anymore, 214 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:24,280 Zack Beins: it's just- 215 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,440 Zack Beins: Oh, so what, it's great, 216 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:25,980 Zack Beins: yeah. 217 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:28,580 Zack Beins: It's nice to see Brick Bronski, 218 00:08:28,930 --> 00:08:29,620 Zack Beins: rest in peace. 219 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,020 Zack Beins: Yeah, 220 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:30,720 Zack Beins: yeah. 221 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,140 Zack Beins: To see him promoting this stuff like back then, 222 00:08:33,219 --> 00:08:38,060 Zack Beins: or Jane Jensen doing these things is really cool. 223 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:38,919 Zack Beins: Yeah, 224 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:39,599 Zack Beins: yeah, 225 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:40,260 Zack Beins: yeah. 226 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,260 Zack Beins: We're good whenever you're ready. 227 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:42,700 Zack Beins: cool. 228 00:08:43,820 --> 00:08:47,260 Zack Beins: All righty, well I'm gonna do this all official. 229 00:08:47,940 --> 00:08:50,300 Zack Beins: Good morning Tromaville and 230 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:56,460 Zack Beins: welcome to a very special episode of Talkin' Troma with your host me, 231 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:57,100 Zack Beins: Zach 232 00:08:57,220 --> 00:08:57,760 Zack Beins: Bynes. 233 00:08:58,540 --> 00:09:02,640 Zack Beins: And this is the episode I'm pretty sure everybody has been waiting for. I 234 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,540 Zack Beins: know I've been getting messaged about it and I have a very special guest right 235 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,600 Zack Beins: across the table from me. 236 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,879 Zack Beins: I had to do this live. I couldn't do it over Zoom 237 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,100 Zack Beins: because it wouldn't be appropriate. 238 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:13,460 Zack Beins: Mr. 239 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:16,120 Zack Beins: well the creator of the Toxic Avenger 240 00:09:16,340 --> 00:09:20,800 Zack Beins: president of Troma Entertainment and my mentor and hero Lloyd Kaufman. 241 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,520 Lloyd Kaufman: Zach Beans, Zach Beans come over give me a hug. 242 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Lloyd Kaufman: You're the son I always wanted but 243 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,360 Lloyd Kaufman: never had. You're so soft. 244 00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:35,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh man talk about Elijah Wood. 245 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:37,840 Lloyd Kaufman: I got some wood. 246 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:39,180 Lloyd Kaufman: Got my 247 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:39,860 Lloyd Kaufman: All right, Peter Dinklage. 248 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,740 Zack Beins: Get back to your side of the table. 249 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,860 Zack Beins: (laughing) 250 00:09:43,100 --> 00:09:43,420 Zack Beins: So, 251 00:09:44,620 --> 00:09:47,300 Zack Beins: one of the things I've been trying to do 252 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,840 Zack Beins: with this show is show that trauma actually means 253 00:09:51,900 --> 00:09:55,080 Zack Beins: a lot more than just the toxic Avenger class in Newcomb High. 254 00:09:55,540 --> 00:09:59,400 Zack Beins: You've been a shining beacon in the storm 255 00:09:59,620 --> 00:10:02,780 Zack Beins: of the big Hollywood system for the indie filmmakers 256 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,700 Zack Beins: for almost 50 years now, 257 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,020 Zack Beins: and you've helped myself 258 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:10,680 Zack Beins: my friend Richard Taylor out, 259 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,540 Zack Beins: and you've helped countless other indie filmmakers out, 260 00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:15,900 Zack Beins: just getting our voices out there 261 00:10:16,030 --> 00:10:17,460 Zack Beins: and getting other filmmakers' 262 00:10:17,620 --> 00:10:18,300 Zack Beins: voices out there, 263 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,180 Zack Beins: and you see merit in what other indie filmmakers are doing, 264 00:10:22,180 --> 00:10:24,960 Zack Beins: and I do wanna thank you right off the top for doing that. 265 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, thank you very much, 266 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:27,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Zach, 267 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Lloyd Kaufman: and thank you and Richard for driving out 268 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,200 Lloyd Kaufman: from Denver to Buffalo to sleep on the floor 269 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,760 Lloyd Kaufman: and learn how to defecate in a paper bag. 270 00:10:38,140 --> 00:10:39,140 Lloyd Kaufman: On poultry guys, 271 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:40,560 Lloyd Kaufman: Night of the Chicken Dead. 272 00:10:41,060 --> 00:10:43,300 Lloyd Kaufman: And Gabe Friedman and I immediately 273 00:10:43,620 --> 00:10:44,700 Lloyd Kaufman: fell in love with you guys. 274 00:10:45,260 --> 00:10:48,720 Zack Beins: I don't know if I've ever told you this story, 275 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:50,320 Zack Beins: how I got introduced to Troman. 276 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:53,160 Zack Beins: I know I've mentioned it on my first episode, 277 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,280 Zack Beins: but if you've heard this before, 278 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:57,000 Zack Beins: fuck everybody, it's my show. 279 00:10:57,540 --> 00:10:57,760 Zack Beins: So, 280 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,420 Zack Beins: one of my buddies knew I was a huge 281 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:02,940 Zack Beins: Trey Parker and Matt Stone fan, 282 00:11:03,540 --> 00:11:06,300 Zack Beins: and I loved Basketball in the South Park, 283 00:11:06,380 --> 00:11:07,700 Zack Beins: but I hadn't really seen too much more, 284 00:11:08,020 --> 00:11:08,780 Zack Beins: and he said, 285 00:11:10,180 --> 00:11:12,040 Zack Beins: "Hey, do you want a copy of this movie 286 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:13,000 Zack Beins: "Cannibal the Musical? 287 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:15,640 Zack Beins: "I'll bootleg it for you." 288 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Zack Beins: And I was like, "Oh, that sounds so cool." 289 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:17,940 Zack Beins: He's like, 290 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:20,260 Zack Beins: "But I think I'll put the trailers on 291 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:21,520 Zack Beins: "that are before that. 292 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,620 Zack Beins: "They're by this weird company called Troma, 293 00:11:24,020 --> 00:11:27,340 Zack Beins: "and I think you might like their movies." 294 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,200 Zack Beins: And I was like, 295 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,080 Zack Beins: "All right, I'll check it out." 296 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,300 Zack Beins: And little did I know that me telling him 297 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,619 Zack Beins: to include the trailers for Cannibal the Musical 298 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:38,940 Zack Beins: would change my life more than I could ever imagine. 299 00:11:39,260 --> 00:11:39,560 Lloyd Kaufman: Wow, 300 00:11:39,980 --> 00:11:40,140 Lloyd Kaufman: well, 301 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:41,920 Lloyd Kaufman: what a great honor to hear that. 302 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:42,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Let me tell you, 303 00:11:42,860 --> 00:11:44,700 Lloyd Kaufman: Michael Erz would be very proud 304 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,640 Lloyd Kaufman: if he was sitting right here. 305 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,380 Zack Beins: Yeah, he'll just slide the cease and desist 306 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,160 Zack Beins: right over the table for my show. 307 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:51,880 Lloyd Kaufman: No, not at all. 308 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Lloyd Kaufman: He loves you guys. 309 00:11:53,020 --> 00:11:54,660 Lloyd Kaufman: He just doesn't appear in public, 310 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,580 Zack Beins: but he's very appreciative. 311 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,820 Zack Beins: I would like to talk to Michael one day. 312 00:11:58,940 --> 00:11:59,300 Zack Beins: Yeah, oh. 313 00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:01,060 Zack Beins: Just even on a personal level, 314 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Zack Beins: just to say thank you. 315 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:03,200 Zack Beins: I've never met him. 316 00:12:03,340 --> 00:12:04,040 Zack Beins: I would love to. 317 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:08,000 Lloyd Kaufman: I we just have to explain to him and 318 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:10,480 Lloyd Kaufman: He's a good guy. 319 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,320 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, very good guy. He just doesn't 320 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Once we got successful, he didn't want to do any more 321 00:12:17,180 --> 00:12:19,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Publicity he didn't like that kind of stuff. 322 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:20,580 Lloyd Kaufman: That's kind of though. 323 00:12:20,940 --> 00:12:23,500 Lloyd Kaufman: Michael is infinitely more entertaining 324 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,459 Lloyd Kaufman: much faster on the draw than I am and 325 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:34,520 Lloyd Kaufman: Much wiser and knows when to shut up and he doesn't want to be out there 326 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,180 Zack Beins: one one day 327 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,780 Zack Beins: Well, we'll get we'll get him on the show at some point. No, I think because of you for you 328 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, I think at some point you will do it 329 00:12:44,910 --> 00:12:49,500 Lloyd Kaufman: I would love that just but I tell you if the New York Times comes in to do a piece on show 330 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:50,540 Lloyd Kaufman: He won't be part of it. 331 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:51,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 332 00:12:51,220 --> 00:12:53,360 Lloyd Kaufman: and I you know, he won't 333 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,139 Lloyd Kaufman: Know it because we've had other comparable 334 00:12:56,940 --> 00:12:59,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Media write-ups and Michael would be disappearing 335 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:09,640 Zack Beins: I'm glad you brought up New York Times. I know they wrote a good review for your newest film hashtag Shakespeare shitstorm 336 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Zack Beins: but the one thing I'm combating on my show is I like to call it the trauma review or 337 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,340 Zack Beins: where you just get the 338 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:20,160 Zack Beins: the sideways 339 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:27,440 Zack Beins: you know backhanded compliments and I don't appreciate that as a fan of trauma films and 340 00:13:27,940 --> 00:13:30,080 Zack Beins: Of your movies. There is a way to talk about 341 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,460 Zack Beins: Your films or the films in the trauma library without being like it's a bad movie, 342 00:13:35,660 --> 00:13:38,200 Zack Beins: but like yeah, they're not bad movies 343 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,200 Zack Beins: They're all very good films and and you see value 344 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:47,200 Lloyd Kaufman: I went to your university. I could have been a hedge fund guy easy. 345 00:13:47,780 --> 00:13:48,459 Lloyd Kaufman: No problem 346 00:13:48,460 --> 00:13:51,220 Lloyd Kaufman: I probably could have been governor of New York State easy. 347 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:52,320 Lloyd Kaufman: They're all stupid. 348 00:13:52,890 --> 00:13:54,900 Lloyd Kaufman: So but because I am stupid 349 00:13:54,930 --> 00:13:56,180 Lloyd Kaufman: I went into making movies, 350 00:13:56,820 --> 00:13:58,680 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, it's not I don't do it to make money 351 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,500 Lloyd Kaufman: I do it for one reason to make the movies to not have to answer anybody and you know 352 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:06,480 Lloyd Kaufman: This is a result 353 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:14,459 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm here in a hotel room with Zach beans and had a few drinks and that beans is starting to look pretty 354 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:15,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Pretty good to me. 355 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:17,600 Zack Beins: I think 'cause the AC is off 356 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,900 Zack Beins: and my shirt is slowly getting removed. 357 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, you got those eyes. 358 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,220 Zack Beins: Well, so you brought up Yale 359 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:29,320 Zack Beins: and I know that's where you first got into movies really 360 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,740 Zack Beins: 'cause of your college roommate. 361 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:31,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 362 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,920 Lloyd Kaufman: you're right, Robert Edelstein. 363 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:36,560 Zack Beins: And can you tell me about some of the films 364 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,940 Zack Beins: that he was exposing himself for you, 365 00:14:40,420 --> 00:14:41,820 Lloyd Kaufman: or exposing to you, I'm sorry. 366 00:14:42,180 --> 00:14:43,080 Lloyd Kaufman: No, he was my roommate, 367 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,440 Lloyd Kaufman: so I imagine 368 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,820 Lloyd Kaufman: there was a fair amount of exposition in that department. 369 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,680 Lloyd Kaufman: But no, Robert was head of the Film Society, 370 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Lloyd Kaufman: and the group of them were auteurs. 371 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,940 Lloyd Kaufman: They believed in the auteur theory of movie making, 372 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:03,940 Lloyd Kaufman: that the filmmaker is the author of the movie, 373 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,700 Lloyd Kaufman: that the movie should reflect the brain and soul 374 00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:09,200 Lloyd Kaufman: and heart of the filmmaker, 375 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:15,380 Lloyd Kaufman: and should reflect a consistency of style and themes. 376 00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:19,460 Lloyd Kaufman: And since I was his roommate, 377 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,060 Lloyd Kaufman: we're in a tiny bedroom and our feet are, 378 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:23,620 Lloyd Kaufman: my head, 379 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:25,640 Lloyd Kaufman: our beds were head to toe. 380 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:27,640 Lloyd Kaufman: So at night, 381 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,740 Lloyd Kaufman: inhaling his Godard smelly feet, 382 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:37,220 Lloyd Kaufman: eventually I would start drifting into the auditorium 383 00:15:37,220 --> 00:15:38,320 Lloyd Kaufman: to see the movies. 384 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,340 Lloyd Kaufman: the film society was showing. 385 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:42,640 Lloyd Kaufman: And I kept getting blown away. 386 00:15:42,740 --> 00:15:43,260 Lloyd Kaufman: Chaplin, 387 00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:43,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Keaton, 388 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,420 Lloyd Kaufman: John Ford, Howard Oaks, 389 00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:46,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Sam Fuller. 390 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Lloyd Kaufman: I never knew Charlie Chaplin was a director and a writer 391 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:53,480 Lloyd Kaufman: and a songwriter, a musician and all that, 392 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,680 Lloyd Kaufman: and a roller skater. 393 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,180 Lloyd Kaufman: I didn't even know what a director was. 394 00:15:57,180 --> 00:16:00,560 Lloyd Kaufman: I was never conscious of the director 395 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Lloyd Kaufman: as a major part of the movie 396 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,720 Lloyd Kaufman: until I went to the Yale Film Society screenings. 397 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Lloyd Kaufman: screenings. 398 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,200 Zack Beins: And when was it like in Yale that you decided you wanted to dabble in 399 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:17,540 Zack Beins: making movies? I know you made Rappaccini and The Girl Who Returned right around 400 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,040 Zack Beins: that time. 401 00:16:18,500 --> 00:16:24,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Well my roommate Robert Edelstein, head of the Film Society, 402 00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:28,860 Lloyd Kaufman: he directed Rappaccini and I produced it with him. 403 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,700 Lloyd Kaufman: And he bought up Bolex, 404 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:37,540 Lloyd Kaufman: which 405 00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:39,280 Lloyd Kaufman: a social disease. 406 00:16:39,620 --> 00:16:43,960 Lloyd Kaufman: It's a kind of a Swiss 16mm camera. It's a beautiful machine. 407 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:44,920 Lloyd Kaufman: But he had 408 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:45,180 Lloyd Kaufman: one. 409 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,260 Lloyd Kaufman: And Rappaccini was based on Hawthorne's daughter. 410 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,400 Lloyd Kaufman: And both Robert and I were Hawthorne 411 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:53,800 Lloyd Kaufman: freaks. 412 00:16:54,540 --> 00:16:57,600 Lloyd Kaufman: And so I tagged along and helped him produce it. 413 00:16:58,420 --> 00:17:00,620 Lloyd Kaufman: And we showed it at a few colleges. 414 00:17:01,740 --> 00:17:02,920 Lloyd Kaufman: it's 16 millimeter. 415 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,420 Lloyd Kaufman: I had very, it was filmed in my mother's house in New York 416 00:17:10,919 --> 00:17:18,280 Lloyd Kaufman: and we had a fair amount of adventures on it but it's 16 millimeter black and 417 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:19,160 Lloyd Kaufman: white, 418 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,860 Lloyd Kaufman: no sync sound because Bolex won't, 419 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:26,100 Lloyd Kaufman: doesn't have the sync pulse so 420 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:29,940 Lloyd Kaufman: So narration and sound effects and music basically. 421 00:17:30,540 --> 00:17:33,240 Lloyd Kaufman: And then Girl of Return was a bit more entertaining. 422 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:36,160 Zack Beins: I'm gonna interrupt you real quick. 423 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:37,100 Zack Beins: I do wanna ask, 424 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,340 Zack Beins: so there's a still of Rappaccini 425 00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:41,120 Zack Beins: in your book, 426 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,680 Zack Beins: All I Need to Know About Filmmaking 427 00:17:42,740 --> 00:17:44,700 Zack Beins: I Learned from the Toxic Avenger. 428 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,860 Zack Beins: But that's all I've ever seen of it. 429 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,660 Zack Beins: Is there a way to see Rappaccini 430 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:50,200 Zack Beins: or do those elements still exist 431 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Zack Beins: or is that something that could get uploaded 432 00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:52,740 Zack Beins: to Truman now? 433 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:53,260 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 434 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,160 Lloyd Kaufman: Robert Edelstein would be the guy to add. It's his film. 435 00:17:58,130 --> 00:18:02,940 Zack Beins: So just for the completists out there, I think it'd be really interesting to see. 436 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:06,100 Lloyd Kaufman: It's also important because Perry King, 437 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,940 Lloyd Kaufman: a fairly serious movie star, oh, 438 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:11,340 Lloyd Kaufman: sorry. 439 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Perry 440 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:12,460 Lloyd Kaufman: King, 441 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:22,860 Lloyd Kaufman: that was his first movie. He did something of Joel Delaney with Shirley MacLaine. 442 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Robert Mulligan movie. 443 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:31,680 Lloyd Kaufman: He's a great guy but anyway he he signed up to do 444 00:18:31,940 --> 00:18:37,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Rappaccini and and Roger Kirby's girlfriend at the time Bep Ornsberg 445 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:45,680 Lloyd Kaufman: played the daughter and we filmed it in my mother's brownstone in New York which 446 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:52,880 Lloyd Kaufman: had a garden we could dress as we rented a lot of plants so it could look like a 447 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,700 Lloyd Kaufman: And it's like Girl Who Returned is, 448 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,620 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, I don't want to speak for Rappaccini, 449 00:18:58,740 --> 00:19:01,480 Lloyd Kaufman: but Girl Who Returned is totally unwatchable. 450 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Lloyd Kaufman: And yet we got to play it at maybe a dozen, 451 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:06,480 Lloyd Kaufman: 15 colleges, 452 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:11,380 Lloyd Kaufman: charge a dollar a ticket and run for our lives. 453 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:14,040 Zack Beins: Do you remember what it was like seeing 454 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Zack Beins: like Girl Who Returned in front of a crowd of people? 455 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,980 Zack Beins: Like the first time like any of your films 456 00:19:20,180 --> 00:19:21,420 Zack Beins: showed in front of a group of people? 457 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Zack Beins: How did that feel? 458 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, that's a very good question. 459 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:30,320 Lloyd Kaufman: I guess, 460 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:31,380 Lloyd Kaufman: a big deal. 461 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:33,220 Lloyd Kaufman: You know, I can't really remember. 462 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:33,520 Lloyd Kaufman: Remember, 463 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:35,460 Lloyd Kaufman: I graduated in 1968, 464 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:38,300 Lloyd Kaufman: and '67, 465 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:41,360 Lloyd Kaufman: I think, is when they showed "Girl Who Returned," 466 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:46,320 Lloyd Kaufman: or maybe they showed "Rappaccini" '67 467 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,580 Lloyd Kaufman: and "Girl Who Returned" '68. 468 00:19:47,940 --> 00:19:49,500 Lloyd Kaufman: It was a huge thing for me. 469 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,720 Lloyd Kaufman: But more important, 470 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Girl Return taught me two things. 471 00:19:53,380 --> 00:19:53,660 Lloyd Kaufman: One, 472 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,140 Lloyd Kaufman: once people buy tickets, no matter how bad the movie is, 473 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,140 Lloyd Kaufman: they won't ask for the money back. 474 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,180 Lloyd Kaufman: And two, 475 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,860 Lloyd Kaufman: two movies were being shown 476 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Lloyd Kaufman: that night at the same time. 477 00:20:06,340 --> 00:20:11,700 Lloyd Kaufman: One was Moonrise by Borzeghi, I think. 478 00:20:11,940 --> 00:20:14,500 Lloyd Kaufman: And the other one-- and it was just a poster. 479 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:15,900 Lloyd Kaufman: Basically, 480 00:20:16,060 --> 00:20:17,700 Lloyd Kaufman: Borzeghi was the big deal there. 481 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Lloyd Kaufman: And then they had The Girl Who Returned, 482 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:24,000 Lloyd Kaufman: which featured an attractive young non-male 483 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,020 Lloyd Kaufman: on their back, 484 00:20:27,170 --> 00:20:28,420 Lloyd Kaufman: kind of with a sweaty t-shirt 485 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,480 Lloyd Kaufman: and her love pillows a bit enlarged. 486 00:20:31,780 --> 00:20:35,040 Lloyd Kaufman: And it looked sexy, it had nothing to do with sex. 487 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,400 Lloyd Kaufman: But it was a better poster than the one for Bosegi. 488 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:40,300 Lloyd Kaufman: So we had a pretty big house, 489 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,220 Lloyd Kaufman: and even though the movie is horrible, 490 00:20:44,020 --> 00:20:45,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Nobody asked for, 491 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,220 Lloyd Kaufman: so make a poster 492 00:20:47,340 --> 00:20:49,120 Lloyd Kaufman: that's intriguing in some way, 493 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,220 Lloyd Kaufman: and you know, 494 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,040 Lloyd Kaufman: buy two okay. 495 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,320 Lloyd Kaufman: And even if you make a movie that stinks, 496 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,460 Lloyd Kaufman: people are not likely to ask for their money back. 497 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:00,620 Zack Beins: Well and then, 498 00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:02,600 Zack Beins: so like right around that time also, 499 00:21:02,820 --> 00:21:05,660 Zack Beins: you worked in the Peace Corps in Chad. 500 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,100 Zack Beins: Not the Peace Corps, no. 501 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:07,940 Zack Beins: No, I'm sorry. 502 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Nothing about me had anything to do with peace. 503 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,180 Lloyd Kaufman: You're thinking of the Pizza Corps. 504 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:15,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Very active in the pizza core 505 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:19,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Very cheesy 506 00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:27,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Now I was more in the not the Peace Corps in the violence work or 507 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:31,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Against peace, no very bad. 508 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,200 Lloyd Kaufman: That's bad joke. So sorry. I did not say that but 509 00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:37,800 Lloyd Kaufman: Probably be taken out of context 510 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:41,579 Lloyd Kaufman: Here's what Lloyd Corbin said right after President Biden said 511 00:21:43,980 --> 00:21:45,920 Lloyd Kaufman: He wants to be in the war corps. 512 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:48,700 Lloyd Kaufman: Actually, it's kind of a clever name. 513 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,260 Lloyd Kaufman: War corps, 514 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,120 Zack Beins: the war corps. 515 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:50,540 Zack Beins: Yeah. 516 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,660 Zack Beins: There's a tagline for another. 517 00:21:52,820 --> 00:21:53,120 Zack Beins: Yeah. 518 00:21:53,140 --> 00:21:54,200 Zack Beins: That was a good book. 519 00:21:54,460 --> 00:21:54,860 Zack Beins: Good book. 520 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:56,700 Zack Beins: Special needs the war. 521 00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 522 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Lloyd Kaufman: where were we? 523 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:01,760 Lloyd Kaufman: We were talking about something. 524 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:02,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Talk about, 525 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:03,520 Lloyd Kaufman: uh, you're, 526 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:04,760 Lloyd Kaufman: you're doing the Chad. 527 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:05,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 528 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Chad was a great, great life experience. 529 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:12,740 Zack Beins: And you said it was a pretty big point in your book anyways. 530 00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:16,280 Zack Beins: You shot some home video and stuff in Chad as well as- 531 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:16,860 Zack Beins: Not video. 532 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,280 Zack Beins: Our Super 8. 533 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:18,840 Zack Beins: 16 millimeter. 534 00:22:18,980 --> 00:22:19,620 Zack Beins: Oh, it was 16. 535 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:23,160 Zack Beins: Do you still have any of that footage you shot in Chad? 536 00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:25,440 Lloyd Kaufman: Somebody has it. 537 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:31,780 Lloyd Kaufman: And a lot of it was used in a thesis, 538 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,800 Lloyd Kaufman: whatever you want to call it, at Yale, 539 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,480 Lloyd Kaufman: African art, 540 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:41,200 Lloyd Kaufman: where I intercut dancing in the bush of Chad 541 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,900 Lloyd Kaufman: with dancing in, 542 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:48,700 Lloyd Kaufman: in those days I think it was called black nightclubs, 543 00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:54,260 Lloyd Kaufman: and then intercutting the style of the coolness 544 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,780 Lloyd Kaufman: but yet the hotness of both the African dance 545 00:22:57,860 --> 00:22:58,220 Lloyd Kaufman: and the, 546 00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:59,360 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, 547 00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:01,640 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm thousands of miles away 548 00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:04,219 Lloyd Kaufman: and the people dancing around with sticks 549 00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:06,420 Lloyd Kaufman: and the cool nightclub dancing. 550 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,940 Lloyd Kaufman: You could see the roots. 551 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,960 Zack Beins: Do you think Yale still has that film 552 00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:13,720 Zack Beins: like in their archives? 553 00:23:14,140 --> 00:23:15,840 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't, I lent, 554 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,880 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know, I don't know. 555 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,840 Lloyd Kaufman: I honestly, I just don't. 556 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:21,400 Lloyd Kaufman: It's one of those things where I just, 557 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:24,820 Lloyd Kaufman: I always assumed I had it 558 00:23:24,860 --> 00:23:27,420 Lloyd Kaufman: and then one day I tried to find it and you know. 559 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,000 Zack Beins: Yeah, 560 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:29,440 Zack Beins: just over the years it gets. 561 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 562 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:31,480 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah, you know, you just, 563 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:34,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Suddenly you wake up one way, where, 564 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:34,500 Lloyd Kaufman: by the way, 565 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:35,560 Lloyd Kaufman: where is that man? 566 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:36,140 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughs) 567 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,920 Zack Beins: And so I know like after that you went to go work 568 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,460 Zack Beins: on some other films. 569 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,300 Zack Beins: I know you worked for the Canon Group. 570 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,840 Zack Beins: Was this before it was- 571 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:47,200 Lloyd Kaufman: By the way, I was not in the Peace Corps. 572 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:48,080 Lloyd Kaufman: I was a, 573 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:48,840 Lloyd Kaufman: what do you call it? 574 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:51,140 Lloyd Kaufman: A guinea pig for the Peace Corps. 575 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:53,260 Lloyd Kaufman: I was there to test the area in Chad. 576 00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:00,160 Lloyd Kaufman: I also was a teacher in the Chad bureaucracy in the bush. 577 00:24:00,340 --> 00:24:02,400 Lloyd Kaufman: We lived without electricity or anything, 578 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:06,220 Lloyd Kaufman: no phones and nothing. 579 00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:09,620 Lloyd Kaufman: But there was plenty of food, 580 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:13,660 Lloyd Kaufman: so people were pretty healthy and happy. 581 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:15,820 Lloyd Kaufman: It's a very interesting, 582 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:18,500 Lloyd Kaufman: very sophisticated culture 583 00:24:18,530 --> 00:24:19,220 Lloyd Kaufman: in its way, 584 00:24:20,220 --> 00:24:22,560 Lloyd Kaufman: totally different from what I grew up, 585 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:27,120 Lloyd Kaufman: which was I grew up on an island of cement 586 00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:28,900 Lloyd Kaufman: called Manhattan. 587 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,220 Lloyd Kaufman: where everything is full of hostility and all that stuff 588 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,380 Lloyd Kaufman: and where we were it was people were having a good time 589 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:40,720 Lloyd Kaufman: and it was complicated too. 590 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,200 Dysmorphia: Yeah. 591 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,280 Lloyd Kaufman: It was very, 592 00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:45,420 Lloyd Kaufman: but it didn't fuck up the atmosphere 593 00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:47,200 Lloyd Kaufman: and everybody, 594 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,440 Lloyd Kaufman: and now Chad, they don't have enough to eat 595 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:52,620 Lloyd Kaufman: you know because of the so-called, 596 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,720 Lloyd Kaufman: what do you call it? 597 00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:56,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Gentrification. 598 00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:56,920 Lloyd Kaufman: The- 599 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,700 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know, whatever it is. 600 00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 601 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:06,100 Lloyd Kaufman: that the cocoa growers in the Ivory Coast have never tasted chocolate because they can't 602 00:25:06,220 --> 00:25:06,740 Lloyd Kaufman: afford it. 603 00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:13,680 Lloyd Kaufman: And the Rwanda tomato and pepper growers get, 604 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,280 Lloyd Kaufman: they live on two dollars a day 605 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:21,120 Lloyd Kaufman: because all their vegetables have to be sold to a combine, 606 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,439 Lloyd Kaufman: to an oligopoly of white exporters 607 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:26,820 Dysmorphia: Yeah. 608 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,240 Lloyd Kaufman: Market way up to the Western world, 609 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,980 Lloyd Kaufman: which is the world responsible for one 610 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:37,260 Lloyd Kaufman: third of Pakistan being underwater. 611 00:25:38,380 --> 00:25:39,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Right. They didn't do it. We did. 612 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,520 Zack Beins: You've been warning us about these corporate elites doing this, 613 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,340 Zack Beins: going to do 614 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,440 Zack Beins: this to us for decades, but nobody's listened. 615 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, not just the corporate elites, 616 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:51,079 Lloyd Kaufman: the, the bureaucratic elite, the so-called 617 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,960 Lloyd Kaufman: the elected representatives and the labor elite. 618 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,980 Zack Beins: But you've been warning us for- 619 00:25:57,980 --> 00:25:58,520 Zack Beins: My whole career, 620 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,140 Lloyd Kaufman: 50 years at least. 621 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,580 Zack Beins: And nobody took their safe space here, 622 00:26:03,580 --> 00:26:04,380 Zack Beins: so nobody listened. 623 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,120 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 624 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,700 Lloyd Kaufman: no, look at the Toxic Avenger Part Four, 625 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,940 Lloyd Kaufman: Citizen Toxie, 626 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:11,060 Lloyd Kaufman: the whole thing is, 627 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,560 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean not the whole thing, 628 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,060 Lloyd Kaufman: but abortion is a big part of that, 629 00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:16,820 Lloyd Kaufman: a movie made in 2000, 630 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,880 Lloyd Kaufman: year 2000, 631 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Lloyd Kaufman: right? 632 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,220 Zack Beins: I'm gonna kick you off, we will get to Citizen Toxie. 633 00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:27,780 Zack Beins: But we're still back in the early days in Manhattan. 634 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,320 Zack Beins: Never gonna get to Citizen Toxie. 635 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:29,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, we will. 636 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:32,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Maybe we should break this up a little bit. 637 00:26:32,420 --> 00:26:33,240 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, I'm totally down. 638 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Maybe we do up to a certain point and then we- 639 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,100 Zack Beins: You wanna go through the '70s? 640 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:39,400 Zack Beins: Well, let's just see where we go. 641 00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:40,440 Zack Beins: Through the sexy comedies? 642 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Let's see what Maggie says, thank you. 643 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Pure sexy comedy. 644 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:47,560 Zack Beins: I wanna know a little bit more about the time 645 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,360 Zack Beins: when you worked in Canon Films. 646 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,920 Zack Beins: Was that Golan Anglobus at that time? 647 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,640 Lloyd Kaufman: No, no, 648 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:56,660 Lloyd Kaufman: it was pre-Golan Anglobus. 649 00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:59,480 Lloyd Kaufman: It was the day of Dewey and Friedland. 650 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,140 Lloyd Kaufman: And nice guys, 651 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,200 Lloyd Kaufman: it was basically my first job. 652 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:10,340 Lloyd Kaufman: And I was just a shit boy. 653 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,720 Lloyd Kaufman: But that's where I met John G. Avilson, lucky me. 654 00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:15,020 Zack Beins: And you worked on, 655 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,840 Zack Beins: was Joe before Rocky? 656 00:27:18,540 --> 00:27:18,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes. 657 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:23,160 Lloyd Kaufman: John had made a movie called 658 00:27:23,230 --> 00:27:25,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Guess What I Learned at School Today, 659 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,880 Lloyd Kaufman: which had a couple of other names. 660 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,160 Lloyd Kaufman: And Cannon distributed it. 661 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,400 Lloyd Kaufman: And John also made another movie, Sweet Dreams, 662 00:27:33,580 --> 00:27:36,800 Lloyd Kaufman: and I think Cannon may also have distributed that. 663 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,720 Lloyd Kaufman: John was working in the editing room, 664 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:45,700 Lloyd Kaufman: and I was rewinding stuff so we sort of knew each other. 665 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,260 Lloyd Kaufman: And then they produced Joe. 666 00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:54,600 Lloyd Kaufman: And John took Joe, which was originally called The Gap, 667 00:27:55,100 --> 00:28:02,480 Lloyd Kaufman: which was a mediocre generation gap kind of softcore 668 00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:05,140 Lloyd Kaufman: sausage, 669 00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:06,080 Lloyd Kaufman: nothing, 670 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:08,180 Lloyd Kaufman: just another sausage. 671 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:16,380 Lloyd Kaufman: And Avilson hired Norman Wexler to totally rewrite the movie 672 00:28:16,380 --> 00:28:22,240 Lloyd Kaufman: Became Joe and it got an Academy Award nomination Peter Boyle's first movie 673 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,960 Lloyd Kaufman: Susan Sarandon's first movie hundred thousand dollars and a 674 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:30,280 Lloyd Kaufman: nomination for best screenplay 675 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Made in New York unknown director unknown actors never have that today 676 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:37,260 Lloyd Kaufman: impossible today, 677 00:28:37,780 --> 00:28:37,960 Lloyd Kaufman: but 678 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,220 Lloyd Kaufman: while they were shooting Joe they needed a production assistant and 679 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:50,160 Lloyd Kaufman: So I was sent from the office where I was filing things and rewinding stuff in the editing room 680 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:56,580 Lloyd Kaufman: I was sent to the set toward the beginning of the shoot and I remember the first day of 681 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:04,540 Lloyd Kaufman: When I was not when I the first day on the set and I saw that the shot that Avilson set up 682 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:06,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Looking through a furnace 683 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Into the furnace, 684 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,100 Lloyd Kaufman: but it was a beautiful shot. 685 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,120 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't remember the exact thing. 686 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,800 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah 687 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Lloyd Kaufman: I sort of said, 688 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,320 Lloyd Kaufman: "Hey, this is a bit, 689 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,900 Lloyd Kaufman: "I think I'd try to stay with this guy. 690 00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:19,620 Lloyd Kaufman: "He looks good." 691 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,060 Lloyd Kaufman: And sure enough, 692 00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:23,220 Lloyd Kaufman: and then Cry Uncle after that, 693 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,020 Lloyd Kaufman: which we still distribute Cry Uncle on. 694 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,240 Zack Beins: And it's a really good movie. 695 00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:27,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Isn't it great? 696 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:28,560 Lloyd Kaufman: It's hilarious. 697 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,260 Lloyd Kaufman: It's really funny. 698 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,740 Lloyd Kaufman: And again, another teardown by John G. Avilson. 699 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,220 Lloyd Kaufman: This time he hired David O'Dell 700 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,340 Lloyd Kaufman: to take kind of an adequate, 701 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,100 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, 702 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,020 Lloyd Kaufman: money-making, 703 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:39,520 Lloyd Kaufman: softcore, 704 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:40,700 Lloyd Kaufman: sort of detective, 705 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,400 Lloyd Kaufman: James Bond kind of thing. 706 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,220 Lloyd Kaufman: And Avilson hired Alan Garfield, 707 00:29:46,650 --> 00:29:46,940 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, 708 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:51,840 Lloyd Kaufman: beer belly guy and this tall ostrich-like actor 709 00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:55,140 Lloyd Kaufman: from Tom Ions' Dirtiest Show in Town. 710 00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:58,860 Lloyd Kaufman: And they look like Bert and Harry Peele's, 711 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:59,380 Lloyd Kaufman: which were, 712 00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:02,920 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, one was tall and one was short. 713 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,220 Lloyd Kaufman: And they sold beer on, 714 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:07,480 Lloyd Kaufman: cartoon beer. 715 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,080 Lloyd Kaufman: They were cartoon characters who sold beer, 716 00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:11,380 Lloyd Kaufman: which I guess was cartoon, 717 00:30:11,540 --> 00:30:11,920 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know. 718 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:12,680 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 719 00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:14,080 Lloyd Kaufman: very good stuff. 720 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,440 Lloyd Kaufman: Very, very good stuff. 721 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,140 Lloyd Kaufman: And so- 722 00:30:16,180 --> 00:30:16,960 Lloyd Kaufman: Boy, am I boring. 723 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,720 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 724 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,300 Lloyd Kaufman: no. 725 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,020 Lloyd Kaufman: This is awful. 726 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,320 Lloyd Kaufman: It's not though. 727 00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:20,720 Zack Beins: Like, 728 00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:25,000 Zack Beins: the people wanna know about your history, 729 00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:25,700 Zack Beins: making movies. 730 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,400 Zack Beins: Like, it's not really well documented. 731 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,800 Zack Beins: Like, you may think it's boring, 732 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,540 Zack Beins: but this is important that people know where you came from 733 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Zack Beins: because I think you get, 734 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,280 Zack Beins: a lot of people are like, oh, it's Lloyd Kaufman. 735 00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:39,880 Zack Beins: He does the boobs and the blood and the toxic avenger. 736 00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:41,780 Zack Beins: And while that may be true, 737 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120 Zack Beins: you also have a proper film upbringing. 738 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:46,760 Zack Beins: And I don't think people take you, 739 00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:49,300 Zack Beins: I take you seriously as a filmmaker, 740 00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:51,700 Zack Beins: but when I read some of these backhanded reviews, 741 00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:53,300 Zack Beins: I don't know if they understand 742 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,300 Zack Beins: that you have a proper film upbringing 743 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,520 Zack Beins: and you know your shit. 744 00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:02,080 Zack Beins: And I wanna dispel that myth that's out there. 745 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:03,840 Zack Beins: So I really appreciate you sharing 746 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:04,960 Zack Beins: some of this stuff with me. 747 00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:07,820 Zack Beins: And I was- 748 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, I'll thank, by the same token, 749 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:18,560 Lloyd Kaufman: Thank you for memorializing trauma and keeping this project going. 750 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:28,980 Lloyd Kaufman: My archives, Stan Lee set up my archives in Oklahoma at the American Heritage Institute 751 00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:30,360 Lloyd Kaufman: where his archives are. 752 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,820 Lloyd Kaufman: But what you're doing is really interesting because you've got generations of people, 753 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,380 Lloyd Kaufman: some of whom are already dead. 754 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,080 Lloyd Kaufman: just died recently. 755 00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:41,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Who died recently? 756 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:42,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Brick Brownski. 757 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,680 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, Brick died and David Mattis. 758 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:46,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Who knows what's gonna happen to him. 759 00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:48,600 Zack Beins: I need to get him on soon. 760 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:48,900 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 761 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:49,480 Lloyd Kaufman: you should, 762 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,120 Lloyd Kaufman: you should. 763 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,120 Lloyd Kaufman: He's such a great guy. 764 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:55,240 Zack Beins: Was it around this time though, 765 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,980 Zack Beins: working with John G. Avilson, did he push you into 766 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,860 Zack Beins: making your own damn movie with Battle of Love's Return? 767 00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:07,040 Lloyd Kaufman: No, I made that I think before Joe. 768 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,780 Lloyd Kaufman: I remember forcing John Avilson to watch 769 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:16,160 Lloyd Kaufman: the Battle of Love's Return on a 16 millimeter projector 770 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,620 Lloyd Kaufman: in his apartment on West 86th Street in New York. 771 00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:24,020 Lloyd Kaufman: And he had to sit through the whole thing. 772 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,680 Lloyd Kaufman: We had to change reels and his wife Melissa, 773 00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:30,300 Lloyd Kaufman: so nice, so polite, poor guy. 774 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,220 Zack Beins: Well, 775 00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:34,060 Zack Beins: and if you look kind of at your filmography, 776 00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:36,239 Zack Beins: there's a little gap, and I know in there 777 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,300 Zack Beins: for directing wise, 778 00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:40,500 Zack Beins: you directed some adult films at that time. 779 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:42,240 Lloyd Kaufman: I've done nothing adult. 780 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,760 Lloyd Kaufman: No, I guess I'm adolescent, 781 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:47,960 Lloyd Kaufman: which still has boners and stuff like that. 782 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,740 Lloyd Kaufman: And, and, and, uh, 783 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,660 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know, 784 00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:51,980 Lloyd Kaufman: penetration juvenile, 785 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,520 Zack Beins: some, uh, but you did do some, uh, 786 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,820 Zack Beins: pornographic films and I would like to talk to you. 787 00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:58,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Why do you say what is pornographic? 788 00:32:59,060 --> 00:32:59,540 Zack Beins: Was it? 789 00:32:59,820 --> 00:33:00,960 Zack Beins: So I've seen, 790 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:01,720 Zack Beins: uh, 791 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:02,780 Zack Beins: the divine obsession. 792 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, that's a beautiful, 793 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,640 Lloyd Kaufman: What are you talking about? 794 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,920 Lloyd Kaufman: And honestly- 795 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:08,040 Lloyd Kaufman: When you say pornographic, 796 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:09,180 Lloyd Kaufman: what does that mean? 797 00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:10,280 Lloyd Kaufman: I think what I mean is- 798 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,420 Lloyd Kaufman: You mean a movie that has some hardcore sex. 799 00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:13,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 800 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Lloyd Kaufman: But it's a beautiful 35 millimeter film 801 00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:21,740 Lloyd Kaufman: with a score by somebody who went on to do good music 802 00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:26,560 Lloyd Kaufman: and my roommate at Yale wrote the script 803 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,300 Lloyd Kaufman: and it's a film, it just happens to have- 804 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Actual sex in there. 805 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,380 Lloyd Kaufman: double penetration, 806 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:34,300 Lloyd Kaufman: what are you gonna do? 807 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,020 Zack Beins: That's life, 808 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:37,540 Zack Beins: right? 809 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,860 Zack Beins: I've seen that film and it has the trademark- 810 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,000 Zack Beins: You filthy pig, 811 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,020 Zack Beins: how dare you? 812 00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:48,500 Lloyd Kaufman: And you are interviewing me in the podcast? 813 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,760 Lloyd Kaufman: This is an outrage. 814 00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:51,480 Zack Beins: I had to put the nickel in the slot. 815 00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:54,740 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 25 cents, 816 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:55,500 Zack Beins: please. 817 00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:58,180 Zack Beins: Well, I had plenty of paper towels around. 818 00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:58,840 Zack Beins: Oh, 819 00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:59,520 Zack Beins: please, 820 00:34:00,020 --> 00:34:00,340 Lloyd Kaufman: Maggie, 821 00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:00,920 Lloyd Kaufman: don't. 822 00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:04,460 Lloyd Kaufman: It's very low class, yeah. 823 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,020 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm sorry. 824 00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:06,380 Zack Beins: But I do wanna know, 825 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:06,960 Zack Beins: like, did, 826 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,260 Zack Beins: like Wes Craven and John Carpenter, 827 00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:14,100 Zack Beins: they cut their teeth also making pornographic movies 828 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,240 Zack Beins: before they jumped into their more, 829 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:18,220 Zack Beins: you know, 830 00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:21,760 Zack Beins: career where it's like The Last House on the Left 831 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,379 Zack Beins: or Halloween. 832 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,860 Zack Beins: And the same with you, there's a whole generation 833 00:34:25,860 --> 00:34:30,080 Zack Beins: of filmmakers who cut their teeth making these movies. 834 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:34,080 Zack Beins: Did you learn any lessons from making these films 835 00:34:34,220 --> 00:34:35,940 Zack Beins: that you brought on to later Troma movies? 836 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 837 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,639 Lloyd Kaufman: you're talking about the movies 838 00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:40,580 Lloyd Kaufman: that were directed by Louis Hsu. 839 00:34:40,700 --> 00:34:41,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 840 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,879 Lloyd Kaufman: by Louis Hsu. 841 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:43,280 Lloyd Kaufman: I wrote a book, 842 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:46,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Produce Your Own Damn Movie, 843 00:34:46,179 --> 00:34:47,020 Lloyd Kaufman: a very good book, 844 00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:50,600 Lloyd Kaufman: in which I interviewed Louis Hsu, 845 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,879 Lloyd Kaufman: and he talks a lot about how, 846 00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:55,700 Lloyd Kaufman: because he wrote 847 00:34:55,919 --> 00:35:00,220 Lloyd Kaufman: and was the DP and kind of did his own lighting 848 00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:06,660 Lloyd Kaufman: definitely did his own camera work that the these movies that you refer to as 849 00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:12,680 Zack Beins: pornographic I think I think the the studio system refers I'm just I'm just 850 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,720 Lloyd Kaufman: appropriating their terms oh oh well that's still not very woke to 851 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:23,200 Lloyd Kaufman: appropriate but at any rate these are hard-hitting questions so anyway Louis 852 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:29,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Seu got his film school it was like film school except that the movies during 853 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:35,260 Lloyd Kaufman: that period they came out around the time of Gerard Damiano with Devil and 854 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Miss Jones and they were reviewed on network television. 855 00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:41,880 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean 856 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,460 Lloyd Kaufman: there was a real period where Porno Chic it was called. 857 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Porno Chic except 858 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:50,080 Lloyd Kaufman: didn't have the dissonance or whatever you call it. 859 00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:52,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Not dissonance when you 860 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:58,140 Lloyd Kaufman: make the SS... it begins with S. 861 00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Sorry. 862 00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:01,280 Lloyd Kaufman: S-A-T word. 863 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:06,380 Zack Beins: But what other kind of lessons did you learn from there that you brought on? 864 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:12,100 Zack Beins: I know you talk about when you're shooting sex scenes in films now you 865 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,380 Zack Beins: try to do those first. Did you have that same mantra back then? 866 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,700 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean did Lewis... 867 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:19,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Or did Lewis... I apologize. 868 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,040 Lloyd Kaufman: You guys look very similar. 869 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,580 Lloyd Kaufman: I get very emotional whenever you talk about Louis Sue. 870 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:25,720 Lloyd Kaufman: What did I learn? 871 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,380 Lloyd Kaufman: I learned, 872 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,500 Lloyd Kaufman: well I went to an all boys high school 873 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:30,060 Lloyd Kaufman: and then Yale, I was all boys, 874 00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:34,020 Lloyd Kaufman: so I got to learn a lot about sex, let me tell ya. 875 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:38,460 Lloyd Kaufman: I couldn't fathom stuff that we filmed. 876 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:43,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Even though I went to Africa, 877 00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:48,640 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't recall anything like what's in those movies. 878 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,660 Zack Beins: And I have it from a good source that elements of those films 879 00:36:53,660 --> 00:36:55,080 Zack Beins: or the negatives still exist. 880 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:58,200 Zack Beins: Is there any way that those are going 881 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,600 Zack Beins: to get some sort of proper Blu-ray release? 882 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,360 Zack Beins: I know Vinegar Syndrome does put out those type of films, 883 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,900 Zack Beins: and they restore the negatives. 884 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,280 Zack Beins: And I think for myself personally in the collector, 885 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:16,780 Zack Beins: it's really interesting to see you or John Carpenter or Wes 886 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:22,120 Zack Beins: Craven's work in that field just as a whole body of work to see where he came 887 00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:25,160 Zack Beins: from or where Louis Sue came from I'm sorry. 888 00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:27,240 Lloyd Kaufman: A whole naked body of work. 889 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:28,460 Lloyd Kaufman: You just 890 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,320 Lloyd Kaufman: want to see some naked people? No. 891 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,180 Lloyd Kaufman: I just you know you are such a pervert that's 892 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,220 Lloyd Kaufman: I know it's so sneaky of you to even you know try to get me to fall for that one. 893 00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:39,680 Lloyd Kaufman: No way buddy. 894 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,500 Lloyd Kaufman: This is just part of film history. 895 00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:43,880 Lloyd Kaufman: No, it is a burden. 896 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh yeah, you just wanna, 897 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:45,600 Lloyd Kaufman: you know. 898 00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:47,180 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 899 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:47,760 Lloyd Kaufman: You're thinking, 900 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,300 Lloyd Kaufman: I've been married too, 901 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:50,140 Lloyd Kaufman: buddy, I know. 902 00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:50,960 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 903 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,660 Dysmorphia: You gotta take it where you can. 904 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:53,820 Dysmorphia: Worship the bishop, 905 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,280 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah, 906 00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:55,080 Lloyd Kaufman: oh yeah. 907 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:56,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 908 00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:56,880 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know. 909 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,800 Zack Beins: I do wanna say, though, I do think the interest 910 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,680 Zack Beins: is out there, 911 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,280 Zack Beins: you know, 912 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:04,920 Zack Beins: to see these films, 913 00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:08,140 Zack Beins: and I would like to see them get restored. 914 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:08,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 915 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,960 Lloyd Kaufman: but I don't have control. 916 00:38:13,660 --> 00:38:14,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Gotcha. 917 00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:15,960 Lloyd Kaufman: There are other individuals involved. 918 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:17,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Okay. 919 00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:18,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Like three to one. 920 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:19,300 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 921 00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,720 Zack Beins: Well, if talk and trauma counts, 922 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,180 Zack Beins: then you got a.025 you can add to that one. 923 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:26,480 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 924 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,480 Lloyd Kaufman: no, 925 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:28,780 Lloyd Kaufman: not a chance. 926 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:29,660 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 927 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,080 Lloyd Kaufman: No, I'm afraid. 928 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,180 Lloyd Kaufman: This is gonna be like Forgotten Silver. 929 00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:37,320 Lloyd Kaufman: People are gonna have to hunt through the jungle. 930 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,380 Lloyd Kaufman: and did you see, 931 00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:39,860 Lloyd Kaufman: well you know Forgotten Silver, 932 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,140 Lloyd Kaufman: no? 933 00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:41,940 Lloyd Kaufman: Well we talked about it. 934 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,380 Unknown: I think we did once before. 935 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,640 Lloyd Kaufman: It's Kevin, 936 00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:46,460 Lloyd Kaufman: what's his, you know, 937 00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:49,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Peter Jackson's documentary, 938 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:51,020 Lloyd Kaufman: a fake documentary. 939 00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:55,320 Lloyd Kaufman: It's wonderful about sort of a Cecil B. DeMille negative 940 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,620 Lloyd Kaufman: that's buried deep somewhere in the jungle 941 00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:01,600 Lloyd Kaufman: and it's all that's left of this. 942 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,380 Unknown: Yeah, that's right, Peter produced that one, yeah. 943 00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:08,960 Unknown: No, that's interesting that you would compare 944 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,020 Unknown: the two on there because it's like, it is still, 945 00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:13,720 Unknown: as he's alluding to, it is part of film history 946 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,260 Unknown: because I think it's helpful for young filmmakers 947 00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:17,280 Unknown: to also realize, 948 00:39:17,620 --> 00:39:18,000 Unknown: well, hey, 949 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:19,920 Unknown: we all start from someplace. 950 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,960 Unknown: And then it kind of helps dispel the myth of just like, 951 00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:25,240 Unknown: well, I got offered a Hollywood gig right away. 952 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,380 Unknown: Like, it's like everybody cuts their teeth 953 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,660 Unknown: on "Strange Bedfellows" once or twice in their career 954 00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:32,600 Unknown: before they go to the thing they're meant to do. 955 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,640 Lloyd Kaufman: That's almost a line from The Tempest. 956 00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:37,960 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 957 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,640 Lloyd Kaufman: Hashtag Shakespeare shitstorm too. 958 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,080 Lloyd Kaufman: No joke. 959 00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,620 Zack Beins: Well, and one thing I do wanna say about those films 960 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:46,080 Zack Beins: is they definitely carry your signature 961 00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:48,100 Zack Beins: sense of humor in there, 962 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,340 Zack Beins: which you've later brought over to the sexy comedies 963 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,240 Zack Beins: like Squeeze Play, 964 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,860 Zack Beins: Stuck on You, 965 00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:54,520 Zack Beins: Waitress, 966 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,460 Zack Beins: and The First Turn On. 967 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:58,620 Zack Beins: I do wanna talk about those sexy comedies. 968 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,100 Zack Beins: What made you wanna go in the comedy route 969 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:06,100 Zack Beins: instead of doing a drama film? 970 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,220 Zack Beins: Or could you ever picture yourself making a full-on drama? 971 00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:10,320 Lloyd Kaufman: No. 972 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,280 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 973 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:11,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Never, 974 00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:12,260 Lloyd Kaufman: never. 975 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,140 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean, I would love to get a script that is really great, 976 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,780 Lloyd Kaufman: that is serious, that'd be wonderful. 977 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,460 Lloyd Kaufman: But I certainly can't create one. 978 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,920 Lloyd Kaufman: And I've always loved comedy, 979 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,840 Lloyd Kaufman: and luckily Michael Hirs seems to be okay with it. 980 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,680 Lloyd Kaufman: And I don't like the idea of losing money on every movie, 981 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,420 Lloyd Kaufman: but we do enjoy the films we end up with. 982 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,020 Zack Beins: I do like, 983 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,580 Zack Beins: you can see some of your influences 984 00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:44,800 Zack Beins: quite a bit in those sexy comedies, 985 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,600 Zack Beins: and it may be one of my favorite eras in your career. 986 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,900 Zack Beins: Like, you see like the Keystone Cops, 987 00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:53,680 Zack Beins: or like the Marx Brothers and Chaplin Elements. 988 00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:56,020 Zack Beins: Can you talk a little bit more about 989 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,399 Zack Beins: just some of the comedy inspirations 990 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,980 Zack Beins: pulled while making those films? 991 00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:05,720 Lloyd Kaufman: Well certainly Keaton in Toxic Avenger Part Deux, 992 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,140 Lloyd Kaufman: he's got these, 993 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,940 Lloyd Kaufman: total Keaton, 994 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:12,840 Lloyd Kaufman: totally Keaton. 995 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,080 Lloyd Kaufman: It's random too, why? 996 00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:18,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Supposedly because she's blind, but that's absurd. 997 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,440 Lloyd Kaufman: But I did it because of the Keaton film 998 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,520 Lloyd Kaufman: that had things hanging from the, 999 00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:25,880 Lloyd Kaufman: you know a little bit Rube Goldberg-ish. 1000 00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:26,360 Dysmorphia: Yeah. 1001 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,520 Lloyd Kaufman: basically Keaton. 1002 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:35,880 Lloyd Kaufman: And there was another Keaton one where a taxi wants to commit suicide and 1003 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,300 Lloyd Kaufman: he walks into a tunnel. 1004 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:41,180 Lloyd Kaufman: And that's right away from Keaton. 1005 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:42,680 Zack Beins: And there's the two motorcycles. 1006 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:43,540 Zack Beins: Yeah, yeah. 1007 00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:46,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Keaton's was bicycles. 1008 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:53,960 Zack Beins: Well and I rewatched Waitress again not too long ago and that movie reminded me a lot 1009 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,740 Zack Beins: of #ShakespeareShitstorm, 1010 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,040 Zack Beins: just the pandemonium of the crowd behind the actors. 1011 00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:06,160 Zack Beins: There's constant action in every frame of those movies. 1012 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,020 Zack Beins: Can you talk about in Waitress, 1013 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,320 Zack Beins: how it was directing that many people on screen at the 1014 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,420 Zack Beins: same time because everybody has something just unique and silly they're doing. 1015 00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:23,480 Zack Beins: And that's a theme that kind of goes across your whole body of work. 1016 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:24,720 Lloyd Kaufman: That's interesting. 1017 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,380 Lloyd Kaufman: No, it's a good question. 1018 00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:34,600 Lloyd Kaufman: But I very much love the slapstick stuff and the idea that we have the action going on 1019 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,280 Lloyd Kaufman: in the foreground between the two. 1020 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:43,560 Lloyd Kaufman: And then in the background people are strangling each other and all sorts of goofy stuff, 1021 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,099 Lloyd Kaufman: elephants 1022 00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,060 Lloyd Kaufman: going fast. 1023 00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:48,980 Lloyd Kaufman: I just find that amusing. 1024 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280 Lloyd Kaufman: So I spent a lot of time on this shtick, 1025 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,080 Lloyd Kaufman: as they call it. 1026 00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:59,760 Lloyd Kaufman: And Stuck on You was heavily inspired by Tom Lehrer and, and, and, 1027 00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:01,260 Lloyd Kaufman: crap. 1028 00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:04,580 Lloyd Kaufman: And Stan Freeberg? 1029 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:05,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes. 1030 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Sorry, sorry, Stan Freeberg. 1031 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,680 Lloyd Kaufman: And, and if you haven't, 1032 00:43:11,020 --> 00:43:12,700 Lloyd Kaufman: if you haven't heard their songs, 1033 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,320 Lloyd Kaufman: Stan Freeberg made a, 1034 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,360 Lloyd Kaufman: he did a record called Stan Freeberg, 1035 00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:19,360 Lloyd Kaufman: F-R-E-E-B-E-R-G, 1036 00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:20,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Discovers America, 1037 00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:21,540 Lloyd Kaufman: wonderful. 1038 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,160 Lloyd Kaufman: And Tom Lehrer also, 1039 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,220 Lloyd Kaufman: satirical songs 1040 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,080 Lloyd Kaufman: and wonderful wordplay, 1041 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:31,100 Lloyd Kaufman: that kind of stuff. 1042 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:37,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Check out Tom Lehrer and I think we're gonna use 1043 00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:38,300 Lloyd Kaufman: his hunting song. 1044 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,760 Zack Beins: Oh. 1045 00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:44,720 Lloyd Kaufman: Tom Lerner's hunting song in Curse of the Weirdeer 1046 00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:46,820 Lloyd Kaufman: by Ben Johnson. 1047 00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:47,460 Zack Beins: That, 1048 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:48,820 Zack Beins: I saw the trailer, 1049 00:43:49,180 --> 00:43:49,760 Zack Beins: or you know, 1050 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:51,740 Zack Beins: some teasers that they've done for that in stills, 1051 00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:53,680 Zack Beins: and I love the hunting song. 1052 00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:57,840 Zack Beins: We shoulda got our permit. 1053 00:43:58,700 --> 00:43:59,260 Zack Beins: (laughing) 1054 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:00,700 Lloyd Kaufman: That's good for you, 1055 00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:02,640 Lloyd Kaufman: 'cause that's way before your time. 1056 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,220 Zack Beins: I grew up listening to like the Dr. Demento Show 1057 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,880 Zack Beins: and reading Mad Magazine. 1058 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,760 Zack Beins: And I'm a huge Mad Magazine nerd, 1059 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,240 Zack Beins: and I know that you're a New York staple, 1060 00:44:14,740 --> 00:44:18,920 Zack Beins: and so was Mad Magazine back before they moved to LA 1061 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:21,500 Zack Beins: and got bought by the comic book conglomerates. 1062 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,140 Zack Beins: But can you talk about, 1063 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,240 Zack Beins: I know you've met some 1064 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,460 Zack Beins: of the people at Mad Magazine, 1065 00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:27,420 Zack Beins: and can you talk just in your life, 1066 00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,880 Zack Beins: what are some of your favorite stuff from that Mad Magazine? 1067 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,240 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 1068 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,480 Lloyd Kaufman: I have not really met too many people from Mad. 1069 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,360 Lloyd Kaufman: My favorite was Don, 1070 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,520 Lloyd Kaufman: he was always my favorite 1071 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,240 Lloyd Kaufman: and my father, 1072 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,640 Lloyd Kaufman: my brother, 1073 00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:46,240 Lloyd Kaufman: we all loved his characters. 1074 00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:46,800 Zack Beins: Don Martin. 1075 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:47,680 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 1076 00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:48,320 Lloyd Kaufman: that's it, 1077 00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:49,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Don Martin, 1078 00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:49,860 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah, 1079 00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:50,420 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah. 1080 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,320 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, we all loved Don Martin 1081 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,540 Lloyd Kaufman: and I finally years later, 1082 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,000 Lloyd Kaufman: well after he had split mad, 1083 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:06,860 Lloyd Kaufman: I got introduced to him and I was like a little fan boy 1084 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:08,040 Lloyd Kaufman: That's what you're not 1085 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:09,920 Lloyd Kaufman: It was like 1086 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,500 Zack Beins: Well, he would have to he always had the crazy sound effects behind 1087 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,120 Zack Beins: His characters 1088 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,000 Zack Beins: And I know like you had 1089 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:29,300 Zack Beins: Copies of Mad Magazine is like kind of sight gags and like the toxic Avenger 2 and other and other movies 1090 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:30,460 Zack Beins: But how did it feel? 1091 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,340 Zack Beins: When thank you when Mad Magazine did a parody of the toxic Avenger 1092 00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:39,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Look the the Trump talk. Yeah 1093 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:40,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Pretender. 1094 00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:41,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 1095 00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, that was pretty amazing 1096 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,760 Lloyd Kaufman: You know after 34 years 1097 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Toxie becomes part of the lexicon. 1098 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,120 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean 1099 00:45:49,859 --> 00:45:51,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Comparing him to Trump. 1100 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:51,900 Zack Beins: Yeah, 1101 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,280 Lloyd Kaufman: well Trump to him is 1102 00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:56,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Hey, I'll take it. It was great. 1103 00:45:56,620 --> 00:46:00,160 Zack Beins: This is nicely done and kind of in that comic book vein 1104 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,620 Zack Beins: You're you were also really good friends with Stan Lee. 1105 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,160 Lloyd Kaufman: I 1106 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,820 Lloyd Kaufman: I searched out Stan Lee whilst I was at Yale, 1107 00:46:08,980 --> 00:46:10,240 Lloyd Kaufman: toward the end of the road. 1108 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,260 Lloyd Kaufman: And because I had discovered the comic books, 1109 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,560 Lloyd Kaufman: next door were a big pile of them, 1110 00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:19,440 Lloyd Kaufman: next door to my Yale room. 1111 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,320 Lloyd Kaufman: So I saw these beautiful comic books with clever, 1112 00:46:28,499 --> 00:46:31,000 Lloyd Kaufman: the pencil guy, or whoever, 1113 00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,600 Lloyd Kaufman: ink, ink, inker, I'd never heard of these terms. 1114 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,319 Lloyd Kaufman: but they had funny alliteration names. 1115 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,260 Lloyd Kaufman: I can't remember, 1116 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:43,880 Lloyd Kaufman: but at any rate, 1117 00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:44,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Steve Ditko, 1118 00:46:45,740 --> 00:46:46,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Swingin' 1119 00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:47,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Steve Ditko, 1120 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,140 Lloyd Kaufman: that kind of name. 1121 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Plus, the art was so beautiful. 1122 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,880 Lloyd Kaufman: So I searched out Stan and 1123 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,960 Lloyd Kaufman: tried to get a job, 1124 00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:02,880 Lloyd Kaufman: and we kind of stayed in touch. 1125 00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:05,640 Lloyd Kaufman: He's in a bunch of our movies. 1126 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Hashtag Shakespeare's Shitstorm is dedicated to Stan Lee, 1127 00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:13,220 Lloyd Kaufman: along with John G. 1128 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Avilson and my stepmother Sigrund. 1129 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:20,800 Zack Beins: And I know you guys wrote a film together, 1130 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,800 Zack Beins: at least one. 1131 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,580 Zack Beins: I don't know if you've wrote more than one. 1132 00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:25,560 Zack Beins: It never got produced. 1133 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,900 Zack Beins: Can you talk about that a little bit? 1134 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,660 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, we didn't really- 1135 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,080 Zack Beins: Well, it was like a screenplay, 1136 00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:32,520 Zack Beins: but it was like Night of the Witch, right? 1137 00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:34,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, but nothing ever happened. 1138 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:38,520 Zack Beins: But I still think that's interesting to think about, 1139 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,080 Zack Beins: that you and Stan Lee wrote something together. 1140 00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:43,800 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, we didn't really write it together. 1141 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:44,860 Lloyd Kaufman: It was just, 1142 00:47:45,420 --> 00:47:46,640 Lloyd Kaufman: I just had to- 1143 00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:48,040 Zack Beins: Did he pitch you an idea, 1144 00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:48,360 Zack Beins: or? 1145 00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:49,540 Lloyd Kaufman: It was kind of an idea, 1146 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,260 Lloyd Kaufman: but it was, 1147 00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:52,100 Lloyd Kaufman: we had already talked about it, 1148 00:47:52,140 --> 00:47:53,840 Lloyd Kaufman: and he didn't really have much to do with it, 1149 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,560 Lloyd Kaufman: to be honest. 1150 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,540 Lloyd Kaufman: I tried to get him involved, 1151 00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:01,640 Lloyd Kaufman: but I never could, really. 1152 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:03,640 Lloyd Kaufman: And at the end, 1153 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:09,220 Lloyd Kaufman: it was made very clear to me that they didn't want anything to do with 1154 00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:09,380 Lloyd Kaufman: it. 1155 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,180 Lloyd Kaufman: Not Stan, but the partner. 1156 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:19,140 Zack Beins: Question for the Viewers: I just think it's kind of fun that you had that friendship with 1157 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,080 Zack Beins: Stan and later down the road with James Gunn. 1158 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:21,100 Zack Beins: Jim Levine Yeah, 1159 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,520 Lloyd Kaufman: he was a big fan. 1160 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:24,960 Lloyd Kaufman: He was a great fan. 1161 00:48:26,260 --> 00:48:33,520 Lloyd Kaufman: thing was and obviously Toxie is heavily influenced by Spider-Man and the whole 1162 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,520 Lloyd Kaufman: Troma universe is Stan Lee and Marvel. 1163 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,800 Zack Beins: And I kind of moving on a little bit from that but on the superhero 1164 00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:45,740 Zack Beins: vein into the Toxic Avenger a bit. 1165 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,820 Zack Beins: I don't know too much else to say about 1166 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:56,240 Zack Beins: Toxie that hasn't been really even said before but I do want to know with all 1167 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,240 Zack Beins: of your films, not just the Toxic Avenger, 1168 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,120 Zack Beins: you tackle major themes that are going on 1169 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:06,500 Zack Beins: in the world and that's definitely a conscious choice when you could make a movie that has 1170 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,480 Zack Beins: nothing to say. 1171 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,640 Zack Beins: Why has that always been kind of important in your work? 1172 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:12,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Louis Bieler Well, 1173 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,540 Lloyd Kaufman: just my education and I had a left-wing 1174 00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:25,440 Lloyd Kaufman: grandmother who was full of piss and literally when if she said the word 1175 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Nixon or somebody said the word Nixon she would literally spit on the ground 1176 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:37,880 Lloyd Kaufman: didn't matter where we were it could be on a you know heirloom rug she'd and she 1177 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:43,700 Lloyd Kaufman: read I have stone weekly and introduced me to a lot of interesting thoughts and 1178 00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:49,340 Lloyd Kaufman: themes and somehow I got the feeling that I should, 1179 00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:52,300 Lloyd Kaufman: if I'm going to be an artist, 1180 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,120 Lloyd Kaufman: be 1181 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,980 Lloyd Kaufman: sort of a socialist artist. 1182 00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:01,520 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm not a socialist really, I just want to show the truth. 1183 00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:04,680 Lloyd Kaufman: The truth 24 times a second. 1184 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,960 Lloyd Kaufman: And thanks to Zack Beans and Richard Taylor, 1185 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,560 Lloyd Kaufman: I was enabled to do that once again on Foultry 1186 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,420 Lloyd Kaufman: The Night of the Chicken. 1187 00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:18,520 Zack Beins: Well, it's definitely something that brought me to 1188 00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:22,740 Zack Beins: your art because I've seen hundreds of horror movies, 1189 00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:24,720 Zack Beins: but none of them has stuck with me because 1190 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,400 Zack Beins: in Toxic Avenger, 1191 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,220 Zack Beins: Classical Nukem High, 1192 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:30,120 Zack Beins: you're talking about the problems 1193 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:31,700 Zack Beins: with pollution and radiation. 1194 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,360 Zack Beins: Or you're talking about the issues of corporate greed, 1195 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,660 Zack Beins: trampling just the small guy out there. 1196 00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,320 Zack Beins: And that's something I've always appreciated 1197 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,460 Zack Beins: about your films. 1198 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,120 Zack Beins: One of, 1199 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,500 Zack Beins: I guess a couple films, 1200 00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:49,720 Zack Beins: Toxic Avenger 2 and 3 is about a lot of, 1201 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,880 Zack Beins: you know, the corporate greed going on, 1202 00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:55,360 Zack Beins: but I know that was the first one single film. 1203 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,860 Zack Beins: Can you talk about what Toxic Avenger 2 and 3 1204 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,240 Zack Beins: looked like before it was cut into two movies? 1205 00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:09,180 Lloyd Kaufman: I just remember it was sort of Heaven's Gate 1206 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:11,380 Lloyd Kaufman: kind of thing, where it was like eight hours. 1207 00:51:13,220 --> 00:51:14,440 Lloyd Kaufman: And suddenly, 1208 00:51:14,860 --> 00:51:25,500 Lloyd Kaufman: and the other thing is that the video we were required to deliver movies 1209 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,900 Lloyd Kaufman: to because the video boom was going on. 1210 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:36,880 Lloyd Kaufman: So while we were shooting it looked like we could have an actual ending for part two and 1211 00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:41,140 Lloyd Kaufman: then have two movies because I had already shot the two movies basically. 1212 00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:45,080 Lloyd Kaufman: So we shot 1213 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,480 Lloyd Kaufman: a kind of a fake, 1214 00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:50,020 Lloyd Kaufman: not a fake ending, but a pseudo ending for part two. 1215 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,360 Zack Beins: When I talked to Rick Collins, he said that he directed that shot of him and Lisa Gay 1216 00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:58,140 Zack Beins: walking down the road like hitchhiking. 1217 00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:03,240 Zack Beins: And he was telling me how he snuck that into the 1218 00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:04,800 Zack Beins: the dailies and you're like who shot this? 1219 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,240 Zack Beins: Oh, 1220 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,560 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm sure that was his idea. 1221 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:08,620 Lloyd Kaufman: It's very cute. 1222 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Lisa Gay too, wonderful people. 1223 00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:12,180 Lloyd Kaufman: He, 1224 00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:12,920 Lloyd Kaufman: both he, 1225 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,300 Lloyd Kaufman: he's still in some of our movies. 1226 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:15,840 Lloyd Kaufman: He's in, 1227 00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:18,240 Lloyd Kaufman: Rick is in Return to Nukumai 1228 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,200 Lloyd Kaufman: and Return to Return to Nukumai. 1229 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,680 Zack Beins: And Lisa Gay's in #ShakespeareShakespeareStory. 1230 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,200 Zack Beins: It's fun seeing her as Professor Holt pop up again. 1231 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,540 Lloyd Kaufman: And my daughter was Professor Holt Jr. 1232 00:52:31,100 --> 00:52:31,420 Lloyd Kaufman: In- 1233 00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:32,480 Lloyd Kaufman: With the same hair. 1234 00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:37,720 Lloyd Kaufman: And Subhumanoid Meltdown Classical Nikolai Part 2. 1235 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,100 Zack Beins: Which daughter was that? 1236 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,800 Zack Beins: Lily Hayes. 1237 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:42,280 Zack Beins: Awesome. 1238 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,600 Zack Beins: The story-wise of Part 2 and 3, 1239 00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:50,540 Zack Beins: when it was one movie, 1240 00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,420 Zack Beins: was it pretty similar story structure to how it is now? 1241 00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:57,260 Zack Beins: Or did you guys completely rearrange in the edit 1242 00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:58,400 Zack Beins: to make it two movies? 1243 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,280 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't, I'm trying to remember who was the editor. 1244 00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:09,200 Lloyd Kaufman: I can't, 1245 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,300 Lloyd Kaufman: who was the editor? 1246 00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:11,320 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't 1247 00:53:11,420 --> 00:53:13,780 Lloyd Kaufman: remember. I'm sure we were rearranging stuff. 1248 00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:14,980 Lloyd Kaufman: It must have been. 1249 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:21,140 Lloyd Kaufman: I know for Citizen Toxie, 1250 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,200 Lloyd Kaufman: I think for most of our movies, 1251 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,980 Lloyd Kaufman: we shoot material well after principle photography 1252 00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:31,240 Lloyd Kaufman: and very often on the roof of the Tromer building 1253 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:35,340 Lloyd Kaufman: in Hell's Kitchen or in Long Island City 1254 00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:38,280 Lloyd Kaufman: and little cutaways that we need 1255 00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:41,140 Lloyd Kaufman: or something to make the scene comprehensible, 1256 00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:43,600 Lloyd Kaufman: little things like that. 1257 00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:47,560 Lloyd Kaufman: There's a lot of that going on when I'm making a movie. 1258 00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:51,460 Zack Beins: I stumbled across on Facebook 1259 00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:54,320 Zack Beins: effects artists I the name slipping me right now, 1260 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,080 Zack Beins: but he 1261 00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:58,100 Zack Beins: posted a picture of like like a 1262 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:05,400 Zack Beins: Burnt like little baby that he's like we blew this up in toxic Avenger part 2 and I don't remember that in the movie 1263 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:11,740 Zack Beins: So obviously it got cut but do you remember anything about like a baby getting blown up in toxic Avenger like two or three? 1264 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:13,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 1265 00:54:13,540 --> 00:54:13,780 Lloyd Kaufman: no 1266 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,680 Lloyd Kaufman: My daughter Charlotte in three I think it is got blown up into a tree into the tree 1267 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 1268 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,340 Lloyd Kaufman: she was a she was okay. 1269 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,900 Lloyd Kaufman: Like yeah, Toxie pulls her out of the tree. She had on sunglasses like 1270 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Sarah with a little cane. Yeah 1271 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Which and that's the only baby I remember. Yeah, I think that's what they must be referred referring to 1272 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:42,500 Zack Beins: But yeah, it was just bizarre because he had like a prop of like a bird. Oh, I don't remember that 1273 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:43,680 Lloyd Kaufman: Honestly, 1274 00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:47,500 Lloyd Kaufman: maybe it didn't look real enough or maybe it looked too real 1275 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,960 Zack Beins: Yeah, no, I was just curious about that. I was like that because I mean obviously, 1276 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,940 Zack Beins: you know, she survived she's farting all over Sarah 1277 00:54:59,780 --> 00:55:01,000 Lloyd Kaufman: You know times have changed, 1278 00:55:01,180 --> 00:55:01,900 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, maybe 1279 00:55:02,980 --> 00:55:04,280 Lloyd Kaufman: We thought it was too much, 1280 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,760 Lloyd Kaufman: but I don't think so. I I just have no recollection. I usually remember stuff like that 1281 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,080 Zack Beins: What one thing that is kind of you know, 1282 00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:16,640 Zack Beins: sadly like present in your entire 1283 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:23,940 Zack Beins: Body of work is is your struggle against free speech with the MPAA 1284 00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:31,240 Zack Beins: and then like even brought when you were brought on the Morton Downey jr. Show or even the present day with 1285 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,520 Zack Beins: Cancel culture and I know you tackle cancel culture and hashtag Shakespeare shit storm 1286 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,880 Zack Beins: But can you talk about how it's been different, you know fighting like the MPAA as opposed to like, 1287 00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:42,420 Zack Beins: you know 1288 00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:47,000 Zack Beins: People on Twitter are just different talk shows trying to shut down what you have to say 1289 00:55:46,920 --> 00:56:01,500 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, my grandmother had a big framed political cartoon of Senator McCarthy ripping up the 1290 00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:02,260 Lloyd Kaufman: Bill of Rights, 1291 00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:04,780 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, kind of political style cartoon. 1292 00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:08,960 Lloyd Kaufman: But it was a big, big frame picture. 1293 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,760 Lloyd Kaufman: And same thing, 1294 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:12,640 Lloyd Kaufman: Blacklist, 1295 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,660 Lloyd Kaufman: then MPAA, 1296 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:16,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Double Standard, 1297 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,860 Lloyd Kaufman: where it's okay for Bruce Willis 1298 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:24,660 Lloyd Kaufman: to have blood all over the place, but not okay for Troma's War, which is a goofy, 1299 00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:25,880 Lloyd Kaufman: cartoony 1300 00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:28,800 Lloyd Kaufman: movie that came out after Bruce Willis' 1301 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,860 Lloyd Kaufman: serious, 1302 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,320 Lloyd Kaufman: violent death wish. 1303 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,780 Lloyd Kaufman: No, not death wish. 1304 00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:34,420 Dysmorphia: Die Hard. 1305 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Die Hard, 1306 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:35,440 Lloyd Kaufman: sorry. 1307 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Die Hard. 1308 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,780 Lloyd Kaufman: You know, just it's autocratic. 1309 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:39,880 Lloyd Kaufman: disgusting. 1310 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,060 Lloyd Kaufman: And then it just keeps going. 1311 00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,160 Lloyd Kaufman: Now you have the people who are 1312 00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:53,040 Lloyd Kaufman: judging what is woke and what isn't, and the gatekeepers at the various 1313 00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:57,980 Lloyd Kaufman: giant media company have put everything through a strainer. 1314 00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:04,940 Zack Beins: Do you find it harder now to get your message out than back in like the 1315 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,600 Zack Beins: 70s or 80s or was it 1316 00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:08,380 Zack Beins: harder back then 1317 00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:09,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 1318 00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:14,260 Lloyd Kaufman: I think now we have free speech as long as we don't say anything back 1319 00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:20,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Then we could sort of say anything. We least we didn't get I don't remember. I mean we were economically blacklisted 1320 00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:22,420 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, it's always a blacklist. 1321 00:57:22,610 --> 00:57:24,260 Lloyd Kaufman: They always figure out something 1322 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,860 Lloyd Kaufman: something something something 1323 00:57:27,660 --> 00:57:32,320 Lloyd Kaufman: Luckily, I've been born white. So I have at least that go. I think I'm well 1324 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,320 Zack Beins: Well, you're as you said in 1325 00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:39,440 Zack Beins: Hashtag Shakespeare's his storm. It's like you consider Jewish white sometimes 1326 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:47,400 Lloyd Kaufman: so but I mean imagine how difficult it's been and imagine if you're not white what 1327 00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:51,660 Lloyd Kaufman: You can't imagine yeah 1328 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,100 Lloyd Kaufman: But you asked that question just kind of how it how you've noticed like, 1329 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,880 Zack Beins: you know, just either like the big elites 1330 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:07,720 Zack Beins: Keeping you quiet as opposed to cancel culture today just how it's different or if it's the same same beast 1331 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:08,820 Zack Beins: But just a different face 1332 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:16,400 Lloyd Kaufman: I think it's just a different group of people who want to tell us how to run our lives and and ever and 1333 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,760 Lloyd Kaufman: they're perfectly happy with 1334 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:19,620 Lloyd Kaufman: double 1335 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,900 Lloyd Kaufman: What do you call double value where yeah, 1336 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,480 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, 1337 00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:26,000 Lloyd Kaufman: you're okay. You can do that, 1338 00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:27,020 Lloyd Kaufman: but you can't 1339 00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:27,980 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, 1340 00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:29,220 Lloyd Kaufman: right I mean it's 1341 00:58:30,460 --> 00:58:32,000 Lloyd Kaufman: It's not not healthy. 1342 00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:32,940 Zack Beins: I 1343 00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:35,460 Zack Beins: In talking about all this 1344 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:42,320 Zack Beins: If I brought up talk shows, I know you were on the Morton Downey jr. Show and there was a big controversy 1345 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,040 Zack Beins: I saw the clip where you and Michael hers are getting 1346 00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:51,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Accosted no. No, that's not Michael hers. I'm not Michael hers Michael hers would by that time Michael 1347 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:52,840 Lloyd Kaufman: He was out of it. 1348 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,600 Lloyd Kaufman: He refused to go on anything. 1349 00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:56,180 Lloyd Kaufman: No, definitely not. 1350 00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:57,820 Lloyd Kaufman: That was my assistant 1351 00:58:57,820 --> 00:58:58,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Arthur, 1352 00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,500 Lloyd Kaufman: his name was Arthur. 1353 00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:01,160 Lloyd Kaufman: And we were trying to, 1354 00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:02,380 Lloyd Kaufman: we were hoping to have a, 1355 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,340 Lloyd Kaufman: his 1356 00:59:05,540 --> 00:59:06,740 Lloyd Kaufman: mother could see him on TV. 1357 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,680 Lloyd Kaufman: You know, it was a WOR, 1358 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,640 Lloyd Kaufman: a universal television 1359 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:12,340 Lloyd Kaufman: station. 1360 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,140 Lloyd Kaufman: And it was my wife's first night out after giving birth. 1361 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,540 Lloyd Kaufman: So we thought, oh 1362 00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,360 Lloyd Kaufman: this will be fun. 1363 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,060 Lloyd Kaufman: You know, they sent a car for us. And, oh, we're in a limousine. 1364 00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:26,740 Lloyd Kaufman: look at us and then you tell the rest of it. 1365 00:59:27,590 --> 00:59:27,740 Zack Beins: Well, 1366 00:59:27,980 --> 00:59:32,380 Zack Beins: they show a clip from Troma's war and it seemed like 1367 00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,500 Zack Beins: everybody was excited to see you guys and then until he showed the clip and 1368 00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:39,680 Zack Beins: then Morton Downey Jr. 1369 00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:42,920 Zack Beins: got the crowd whipped up into a frenzy where it you 1370 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,720 Zack Beins: know almost looked like that Geraldo clip where they're throwing the chairs 1371 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,360 Zack Beins: on the stage and they're trying to attack you guys. 1372 00:59:49,310 --> 00:59:51,260 Zack Beins: Tell me more about just 1373 00:59:51,260 --> 00:59:52,940 Zack Beins: that whole experience like? 1374 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, that was a setup that was pre-planned, 1375 00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:57,780 Lloyd Kaufman: except we didn't know about it. 1376 00:59:57,780 --> 01:00:00,700 Lloyd Kaufman: It was kind of like candid camera or pranks, 1377 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,080 Lloyd Kaufman: where they prank, it was like a big prank. 1378 01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:03,740 Lloyd Kaufman: Gotcha. 1379 01:00:03,780 --> 01:00:05,240 Lloyd Kaufman: And we were in the green room 1380 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,280 Lloyd Kaufman: and we did hear the audience screaming and yelling. 1381 01:00:09,340 --> 01:00:15,300 Lloyd Kaufman: And my guess is that Downey and the gang whipped him up 1382 01:00:16,020 --> 01:00:18,200 Lloyd Kaufman: and because the way they choreographed it, 1383 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,360 Lloyd Kaufman: it was clearly fixed. 1384 01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:24,740 Zack Beins: I was always wondering, because you saw people who look like Troma fans in the crowd with 1385 01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:26,540 Zack Beins: like Toxic Avengers shirts or whatever. 1386 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, at the beginning they were, 1387 01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:29,120 Lloyd Kaufman: they loved Troma, 1388 01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,640 Lloyd Kaufman: but they were told to, 1389 01:00:32,020 --> 01:00:32,480 Lloyd Kaufman: I think, 1390 01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:33,760 Lloyd Kaufman: "Thank 1391 01:00:33,860 --> 01:00:34,120 Lloyd Kaufman: you, 1392 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,280 Lloyd Kaufman: thank you so much." 1393 01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:40,680 Lloyd Kaufman: I just was given a huge bowl of caviar, 1394 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:41,740 Lloyd Kaufman: it's incredible. 1395 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,720 Lloyd Kaufman: Nothing, nothing but the best. 1396 01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:44,520 Lloyd Kaufman: Vegan caviar, 1397 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,560 Lloyd Kaufman: so no salmon were hurt in this. 1398 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,240 Zack Beins: I got to squeeze those turnips really hard. 1399 01:00:50,340 --> 01:00:51,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, that's right. 1400 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:51,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Exactly. 1401 01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:53,720 Lloyd Kaufman: But nothing but the best. 1402 01:00:54,580 --> 01:00:55,100 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 1403 01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:57,120 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know. What are we talking about? 1404 01:00:57,140 --> 01:00:58,160 Zack Beins: Morton Downey Jr. 1405 01:00:58,500 --> 01:00:58,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 1406 01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,660 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, it was a setup. 1407 01:01:00,020 --> 01:01:01,760 Lloyd Kaufman: So they got their cheap laugh, 1408 01:01:02,250 --> 01:01:04,060 Lloyd Kaufman: except that I they thought that 1409 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,080 Lloyd Kaufman: he he suddenly he does a thing with a thumbs up. 1410 01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:11,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Should we keep him? 1411 01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:16,180 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, yeah. He showed a little bit of Chalmers war raw footage, 1412 01:01:16,450 --> 01:01:18,820 Lloyd Kaufman: and they picked a piece of film that 1413 01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:22,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Absolutely nothing had a little bit of blood but other than that nothing. 1414 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, it was like a nothing five-second clip and then Downey 1415 01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:31,100 Lloyd Kaufman: Says shall we keep them or shall we get rid of them? 1416 01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:37,100 Lloyd Kaufman: And we're sitting on the stage with the audience down below us and my wife in the middle of the audience 1417 01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:39,540 Lloyd Kaufman: just having given birth and 1418 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,040 Lloyd Kaufman: and both Arthur and I 1419 01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:46,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Looked at each other and 1420 01:01:46,940 --> 01:01:54,660 Lloyd Kaufman: Down he puts his he's telling the audience with his thumb down what you know what to answer and they all say 1421 01:01:56,420 --> 01:02:01,020 Lloyd Kaufman: And it was a Halloween thing that's how they got me to go on they said it was going to be a trauma 1422 01:02:01,180 --> 01:02:01,940 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm a genius. 1423 01:02:02,340 --> 01:02:04,660 Lloyd Kaufman: This is gonna be a party at Roma Halloween party and 1424 01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:08,320 Lloyd Kaufman: The studio where they filmed in was in New Jersey, 1425 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,280 Lloyd Kaufman: and that's where Tromaville, New Jersey comes from 1426 01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:15,200 Lloyd Kaufman: so so they got us out there and under false pretenses, 1427 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:16,060 Lloyd Kaufman: but 1428 01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:19,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Then my assistant and I 1429 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:26,300 Lloyd Kaufman: Unexpectedly to the TV people we refused to move because the people had 1430 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,880 Lloyd Kaufman: they had masks on and fake guns and 1431 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,880 Lloyd Kaufman: you know fake weapons and penises on their noses and 1432 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,520 Lloyd Kaufman: You know and my wife's in the middle of it 1433 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:43,200 Lloyd Kaufman: And Arthur and I didn't want to go down the stage and to get out you had to walk through this audience 1434 01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:49,300 Lloyd Kaufman: So we finally they called in security and beat us up a little bit and my shoulder got 1435 01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:52,480 Lloyd Kaufman: separated and my watch flew off and and 1436 01:02:54,660 --> 01:02:56,600 Lloyd Kaufman: That that's one of those it's not fun 1437 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,840 Zack Beins: That's one of those tales that's in like kind of the Tromaville 1438 01:03:01,060 --> 01:03:07,080 Zack Beins: Like like urban legends like like bigger than true another one that I've always been curious about 1439 01:03:07,460 --> 01:03:12,000 Zack Beins: And there's always just been murmurs in the background is is that it 1440 01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:15,580 Zack Beins: From your books and even just some just like sly, 1441 01:03:16,090 --> 01:03:19,640 Zack Beins: you know off-the-cuff comments on different interviews that there's bad blood 1442 01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:22,180 Zack Beins: Between you and like the filmmakers of street trash 1443 01:03:23,620 --> 01:03:23,840 Lloyd Kaufman: well, 1444 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,100 Lloyd Kaufman: I you know, 1445 01:03:25,340 --> 01:03:25,760 Lloyd Kaufman: I I 1446 01:03:27,799 --> 01:03:32,260 Lloyd Kaufman: Don't swear to this but I've been told and I thought so that 1447 01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:38,040 Lloyd Kaufman: Whilst I was being dragged out kicking and screaming and that 1448 01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:40,740 Lloyd Kaufman: Arthur was being dragged 1449 01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:41,440 Lloyd Kaufman: screening, 1450 01:03:42,980 --> 01:03:45,100 Lloyd Kaufman: some guy connected with Street Crash, 1451 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:50,100 Lloyd Kaufman: not the professor who owns it, 1452 01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:51,040 Lloyd Kaufman: but 1453 01:03:52,579 --> 01:03:53,780 Lloyd Kaufman: I can't remember, 1454 01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:55,620 Lloyd Kaufman: but he went up to the podium, 1455 01:03:56,740 --> 01:03:59,160 Lloyd Kaufman: "I'm not like them, I'm not like them, I'm 1456 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,500 Lloyd Kaufman: a real New Jersey person," or something. 1457 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,580 Lloyd Kaufman: It was something like that, but I don't recall. 1458 01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:06,800 Lloyd Kaufman: Maybe it's on the video. 1459 01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:09,840 Lloyd Kaufman: But I believe it, I may be wrong, 1460 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,360 Lloyd Kaufman: but I believe it was somebody from Street Trash. 1461 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,220 Zack Beins: Yeah, it's just always been out- 1462 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,880 Zack Beins: I think I wrote something in the book. 1463 01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:16,080 Zack Beins: Yeah, 1464 01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:18,740 Zack Beins: but you've only kind of alluded to it. 1465 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,040 Zack Beins: And it's just always been kind of the Troma fanboy, 1466 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:23,360 Zack Beins: like, 1467 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,680 Zack Beins: I hear Lloyd hates the filmmakers of Street Trash. 1468 01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:30,680 Zack Beins: And nobody really knows the story there. 1469 01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:34,140 Zack Beins: So I've asked around, it's like, 1470 01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:36,660 Zack Beins: what do you wanna know from Lloyd 1471 01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:39,400 Zack Beins: that you have never heard, and more than one person 1472 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,120 Zack Beins: was like, I wanna know if he actually hates the filmmakers 1473 01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:43,680 Zack Beins: of Street Trash or hates the movie, 1474 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,660 Zack Beins: or if there was like bad blood that happened there. 1475 01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:47,520 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 1476 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:47,920 Lloyd Kaufman: no, 1477 01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:50,900 Lloyd Kaufman: not at all, just that whoever that guy was. 1478 01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:53,200 Lloyd Kaufman: And he may not have even had anything to do 1479 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,440 Lloyd Kaufman: with that movie that rhymes with Reed Trash. 1480 01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:56,920 Zack Beins: Yes. 1481 01:04:57,140 --> 01:04:59,720 Lloyd Kaufman: But the producer who owns the movie, 1482 01:05:00,380 --> 01:05:01,560 Lloyd Kaufman: I've taught his class, 1483 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:02,480 Lloyd Kaufman: a good guy. 1484 01:05:02,660 --> 01:05:03,620 Lloyd Kaufman: And by the way, 1485 01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:11,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Justin Martel and I imagine other Troma alums are producing the remake 1486 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,200 Lloyd Kaufman: of Street Trash with a really good director. 1487 01:05:15,450 --> 01:05:17,640 Zack Beins: I think they're shooting that as we're speaking. 1488 01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:19,500 Zack Beins: Are they in pre-production of it? 1489 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,540 Zack Beins: They're in pre-production of it. 1490 01:05:22,420 --> 01:05:27,420 Zack Beins: The Fried Berry director is doing the Street Trash remake. 1491 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,600 Lloyd Kaufman: He's great. 1492 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,300 Lloyd Kaufman: He's very good, right? 1493 01:05:31,740 --> 01:05:31,840 Zack Beins: Yeah, 1494 01:05:32,100 --> 01:05:32,240 Zack Beins: no, 1495 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,060 Zack Beins: it's just one of those full circle trauma things 1496 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:36,380 Zack Beins: like, 1497 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,520 Zack Beins: oh, that's interesting to know 1498 01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,900 Zack Beins: like there was something there 1499 01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:44,880 Zack Beins: and just always curious about that. 1500 01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:45,220 Zack Beins: Yeah, 1501 01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:46,580 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah, that is interesting. 1502 01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:49,680 Zack Beins: And another thing I was always curious about, 1503 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:50,620 Zack Beins: so there were- 1504 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,420 Lloyd Kaufman: The Kruger grocery store is very good, 1505 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,160 Lloyd Kaufman: grocery store, 1506 01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:56,500 Lloyd Kaufman: great director, great grocery stores. 1507 01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,360 Zack Beins: Yeah, sometimes it pops up in your dreams. 1508 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:00,680 Zack Beins: Exactly. 1509 01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:01,520 Zack Beins: (laughing) 1510 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,920 Zack Beins: Another thing I always kind of wondered about, 1511 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,060 Zack Beins: just kind of jumping around a little bit more, 1512 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,120 Zack Beins: so after Kabuki Man, 1513 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,240 Zack Beins: there was a gap in between Kabuki Man 1514 01:06:14,420 --> 01:06:17,440 Zack Beins: and Tromeo and Juliet, and that's kind of around the time 1515 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,740 Zack Beins: Troma Team Video started, 1516 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,800 Zack Beins: and there's not a lot 1517 01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:25,240 Zack Beins: of just information out there on what you and Michael were, 1518 01:06:26,220 --> 01:06:30,160 Zack Beins: why you chose to set up your own distribution label 1519 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,400 Zack Beins: like Troma Team Video, 'cause before you'd go through like, 1520 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:33,160 Zack Beins: you know, 1521 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,980 Zack Beins: media or Warner Brothers 1522 01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:37,200 Zack Beins: or other companies like that to put the movies out. 1523 01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:43,660 Lloyd Kaufman: Sorry, I just had to wet my whistle as we say. 1524 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,540 Zack Beins: The altitude here in Colorado, 1525 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:46,600 Lloyd Kaufman: it's all dried out. 1526 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:47,040 Lloyd Kaufman: That's it, 1527 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:47,400 Lloyd Kaufman: yep, 1528 01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:47,940 Lloyd Kaufman: yep, 1529 01:06:48,260 --> 01:06:48,460 Lloyd Kaufman: yep. 1530 01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:52,400 Lloyd Kaufman: I'll never forget Jeffrey Lyons, one of our great critics, 1531 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,640 Lloyd Kaufman: curated the film festival in, 1532 01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:58,540 Lloyd Kaufman: oh crap, 1533 01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:59,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Breckenridge Film Festival. 1534 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,300 Lloyd Kaufman: And Jeffrey had Pat and me come out 1535 01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:05,020 Lloyd Kaufman: and he showed some Troma movies. 1536 01:07:05,620 --> 01:07:07,560 Lloyd Kaufman: And it was great, but oh my god, 1537 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,820 Lloyd Kaufman: I didn't realize that you get drunk out here. 1538 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,660 Lloyd Kaufman: You gotta take a piss. - Oh, Jesus Christ. 1539 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, I'll never forget that hangover. 1540 01:07:17,460 --> 01:07:20,839 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, you're right, that's why I guess I'm a little bit- 1541 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,520 Lloyd Kaufman: A little parched? 1542 01:07:22,860 --> 01:07:23,640 Lloyd Kaufman: Parched, yes, 1543 01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:24,180 Lloyd Kaufman: exactly. 1544 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,940 Zack Beins: Oh, what the whistle. 1545 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,480 Zack Beins: But anyways, 1546 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,540 Zack Beins: back to- 1547 01:07:31,540 --> 01:07:31,860 Zack Beins: Nature. 1548 01:07:32,260 --> 01:07:35,180 Zack Beins: Yeah, what made you guys wanna start 1549 01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:37,260 Zack Beins: the Troma Team video label as opposed 1550 01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,820 Zack Beins: to finding other distributors? 1551 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,120 Zack Beins: Or was that more of a necessity thing 1552 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,140 Zack Beins: to keep the doors open? 1553 01:07:42,380 --> 01:07:46,120 Lloyd Kaufman: I think we were getting big advances, 1554 01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:58,700 Lloyd Kaufman: but then the majors started to rise with Blockbuster 1555 01:07:58,700 --> 01:07:59,440 Lloyd Kaufman: pop stores, 1556 01:08:00,540 --> 01:08:05,100 Lloyd Kaufman: which then pushed out a lot of Vestron and Media Home Entertainment, 1557 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:05,500 Lloyd Kaufman: who 1558 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,120 Lloyd Kaufman: were the big distributors for the independents, 1559 01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:13,080 Lloyd Kaufman: but couldn't compete with the James Bond 1560 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,820 Lloyd Kaufman: or whatever was coming out through the majors. 1561 01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:19,400 Lloyd Kaufman: And then Blockbuster put out a business. 1562 01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:23,359 Lloyd Kaufman: They basically put the little guys and gals, 1563 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,839 Lloyd Kaufman: put them out of business. 1564 01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:32,120 Zack Beins: One of the things I always liked in the Troma Team videos was the Tromaville cafes or the 1565 01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:38,420 Zack Beins: wraparounds which I liked the movies that you guys were doing but one of the things 1566 01:08:38,460 --> 01:08:44,580 Zack Beins: that kept me coming back for more was seeing you and Kabuki Man talking about a film or 1567 01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:50,560 Zack Beins: Michael Hirs and you talking about something or even just a skit with the stars of the 1568 01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:56,880 Zack Beins: next movie and it made everybody feel like they were part of the Troma Team and part 1569 01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:57,720 Zack Beins: of the Troma project, 1570 01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,359 Zack Beins: like we're getting this sneak peek 1571 01:08:59,420 --> 01:09:02,080 Zack Beins: and you guys are doing little sketches for us. 1572 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,400 Zack Beins: Can you talk about filming like Tromaville Cafe 1573 01:09:04,529 --> 01:09:05,819 Zack Beins: or some of those wraparounds? 1574 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:06,839 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 1575 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,100 Lloyd Kaufman: I, 1576 01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:10,339 Lloyd Kaufman: it's been a while. 1577 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:10,839 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 1578 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,319 Lloyd Kaufman: But I think we've always felt that we must bring our fans 1579 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,200 Lloyd Kaufman: into the family, 1580 01:09:18,779 --> 01:09:21,060 Lloyd Kaufman: that without our fans we're nothing. 1581 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,160 Lloyd Kaufman: And even when there was only 35 millimeter, 1582 01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:29,200 Lloyd Kaufman: We sent the stars of Squeeze Play down to Norfolk, 1583 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:29,700 Lloyd Kaufman: Virginia. 1584 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,460 Lloyd Kaufman: That was the American premiere. 1585 01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:33,799 Lloyd Kaufman: It was one weekend. 1586 01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,799 Lloyd Kaufman: But we sent them down there and put them in Motel 6s 1587 01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:39,279 Lloyd Kaufman: or whatever, 1588 01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,080 Lloyd Kaufman: probably lots of people in a room. 1589 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,940 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, no, I think they had their own room. 1590 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:44,740 Lloyd Kaufman: At any rate, 1591 01:09:45,259 --> 01:09:47,600 Lloyd Kaufman: it was unusual for Norfolk to have the, 1592 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:50,460 Lloyd Kaufman: and it did great. 1593 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,060 Lloyd Kaufman: And it was a huge hit. 1594 01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,160 Lloyd Kaufman: There was a sneak preview. 1595 01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:59,440 Lloyd Kaufman: But then AMC wanted to play it everywhere. 1596 01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:01,480 Lloyd Kaufman: That one sneak preview. 1597 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:03,460 Lloyd Kaufman: That's awesome. 1598 01:10:03,740 --> 01:10:04,780 Lloyd Kaufman: And then- 1599 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,340 Lloyd Kaufman: But the idea was to be interactive with our fans. 1600 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,040 Lloyd Kaufman: And we really have done that from the very beginning. 1601 01:10:10,860 --> 01:10:11,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Really, 1602 01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:13,080 Lloyd Kaufman: no matter what the medium was, 1603 01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:15,560 Lloyd Kaufman: it was really thanks to our fans. 1604 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:16,720 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, you. 1605 01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:17,280 Zack Beins: Yeah. 1606 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:18,600 Lloyd Kaufman: You for sure. 1607 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:19,220 Zack Beins: I mean, 1608 01:10:19,780 --> 01:10:23,260 Zack Beins: I've even had the opportunity 1609 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:31,340 Zack Beins: be in some of those DVD intros that really helped me discover more Troma movies or even 1610 01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:35,300 Zack Beins: attached to it, even if I like the special features you guys are doing more than the 1611 01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:38,540 Zack Beins: film or it just helped me learn a little more. 1612 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,280 Zack Beins: I want to know though, 1613 01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:47,080 Zack Beins: do you have any stories of filming Tromaville Cafe with the early 1614 01:10:47,060 --> 01:10:51,960 Zack Beins: Tromets because it has such a 90s feel and look, 1615 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:53,860 Zack Beins: which is obviously when it was made, 1616 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,880 Zack Beins: but the humor in it is something special that you don't really see too much else in Troma 1617 01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:02,260 Zack Beins: movies or other medium. 1618 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:05,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Honestly, 1619 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:06,040 Lloyd Kaufman: it's all a blur. 1620 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:07,780 Lloyd Kaufman: When was Tromaville Cafe? 1621 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,560 Zack Beins: That was probably around the mid-90s, 1622 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,820 Zack Beins: like right around a little bit after the inception 1623 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:15,600 Zack Beins: of a trauma team video? 1624 01:11:17,540 --> 01:11:18,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Jeez, 1625 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:18,800 Lloyd Kaufman: well, 1626 01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:22,400 Lloyd Kaufman: my hunch is that if it was really funny, 1627 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,200 Lloyd Kaufman: that James Gunn had something to do with it because- 1628 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,460 Zack Beins: I think some of those are a little bit before his time. 1629 01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:31,800 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, before James Gunn, now let's think. 1630 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:33,940 Lloyd Kaufman: Because Gabe Friedman, 1631 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:35,240 Lloyd Kaufman: well, 1632 01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:36,180 Lloyd Kaufman: James Gunn, 1633 01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:37,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Gabe Friedman, 1634 01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:39,960 Lloyd Kaufman: responsible for great stuff, 1635 01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:42,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Funny, you know, 1636 01:11:42,420 --> 01:11:43,480 Lloyd Kaufman: funny short stuff. 1637 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:45,020 Lloyd Kaufman: I wonder who, 1638 01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:46,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Tomb of the Cafe, 1639 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,020 Lloyd Kaufman: I just can't remember, I don't know. 1640 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:49,500 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 1641 01:11:49,740 --> 01:11:51,740 Zack Beins: no worries, it's just one of those things 1642 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,480 Zack Beins: that I've always-- - I'm glad you enjoyed it, 1643 01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,020 Zack Beins: that's great. 1644 01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,220 Zack Beins: They're just so funny 1645 01:11:55,460 --> 01:12:01,360 Zack Beins: and seeing like Debbie Rashawn interact with Kabuki Man 1646 01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:04,220 Zack Beins: and just Action Come News Reporter 1647 01:12:04,460 --> 01:12:07,960 Zack Beins: and seeing everybody just being so giddy 1648 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,600 Zack Beins: and excited to talk about screenplay 1649 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:19,180 Zack Beins: It was just one of the things that made Troma stand out to impressionable high school Zach 1650 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:19,700 Zack Beins: Bynes. 1651 01:12:20,620 --> 01:12:22,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, that's really great to hear, let me tell you. 1652 01:12:23,420 --> 01:12:24,900 Zack Beins: With all of the movies, 1653 01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:30,680 Zack Beins: was there any movie posters that you liked that stuck out, where 1654 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,100 Zack Beins: you're like, "This is one of the coolest movie posters we have"? 1655 01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:35,600 Lloyd Kaufman: That's a good question. 1656 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,360 Lloyd Kaufman: I did love the Scream play, 1657 01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:40,300 Lloyd Kaufman: since you mentioned Scream play. 1658 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:41,620 Lloyd Kaufman: I love that film. 1659 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:42,660 Lloyd Kaufman: It's so good. 1660 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:43,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 1661 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:43,740 Lloyd Kaufman: it's amazing, 1662 01:12:43,940 --> 01:12:45,600 Lloyd Kaufman: yet we couldn't give it away. 1663 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,820 Lloyd Kaufman: It was in black and white, you know, 1664 01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:50,360 Lloyd Kaufman: and when it came out, it was not, 1665 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,420 Lloyd Kaufman: we had 35 millimeter prints. 1666 01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:55,300 Zack Beins: I did an episode on that one. 1667 01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:57,420 Lloyd Kaufman: Now I think screenplay would be great, 1668 01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:58,860 Lloyd Kaufman: but the idiots don't wanna, 1669 01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:00,480 Lloyd Kaufman: well maybe it is on, 1670 01:13:00,540 --> 01:13:03,080 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know what's going on with our streaming, 1671 01:13:03,220 --> 01:13:03,460 Lloyd Kaufman: but I think- 1672 01:13:03,460 --> 01:13:04,500 Zack Beins: It is on Troma now. 1673 01:13:04,660 --> 01:13:05,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, I meant not those idiots, 1674 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,300 Lloyd Kaufman: I meant the ones on Amazon and, 1675 01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:09,440 Lloyd Kaufman: no, they are not, 1676 01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:11,480 Lloyd Kaufman: The people running Troma now are doing a great job. 1677 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,180 Lloyd Kaufman: And thank you very much. 1678 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,280 Lloyd Kaufman: No question about it. 1679 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,240 Lloyd Kaufman: No, the other things. 1680 01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:22,080 Zack Beins: Oh, just like Paramount or, you know, the big- 1681 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:22,440 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 1682 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:24,880 Lloyd Kaufman: screenplay may well be on some of those, 1683 01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:28,580 Lloyd Kaufman: but when it came out, nobody would touch black and white. 1684 01:13:28,820 --> 01:13:29,060 Lloyd Kaufman: Nothing. 1685 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,340 Zack Beins: And it's-- - Nothing. 1686 01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:32,240 Zack Beins: That movie is so cool because- 1687 01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:32,900 Zack Beins: It's amazing. 1688 01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:35,700 Zack Beins: It's like a weird noir, 1689 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,000 Zack Beins: like the Cabinet of Dr. 1690 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:37,600 Zack Beins: Calgary, 1691 01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:38,980 Zack Beins: if it was a noir movie. 1692 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,260 Zack Beins: It's so cool and it's just like the story 1693 01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:43,180 Zack Beins: of making a movie. 1694 01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:44,980 Zack Beins: It's George Cukor. 1695 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:45,360 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 1696 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:45,960 Lloyd Kaufman: exactly. 1697 01:13:47,420 --> 01:13:51,300 Lloyd Kaufman: So it's a historic and Rufus Sater, 1698 01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Sater liked the Passover meal. 1699 01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:57,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, Sater, 1700 01:13:57,460 --> 01:13:58,460 Lloyd Kaufman: what do you think of that? 1701 01:13:58,760 --> 01:13:59,240 Lloyd Kaufman: At any rate, 1702 01:13:59,820 --> 01:14:02,740 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah, you cannot have Rufus and milk 1703 01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:03,560 Lloyd Kaufman: in the same room, 1704 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,480 Lloyd Kaufman: very important. 1705 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:06,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 1706 01:14:06,420 --> 01:14:10,700 Lloyd Kaufman: he has become a very important mosaic artist 1707 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:14,900 Lloyd Kaufman: and a number of airports have his art 1708 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,040 Lloyd Kaufman: in the floors and on the walls and mosaic. 1709 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,460 Lloyd Kaufman: So he's a good spirit. 1710 01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:23,900 Lloyd Kaufman: I haven't seen him for a number of years, 1711 01:14:23,980 --> 01:14:25,180 Lloyd Kaufman: but he was a very good spirit. 1712 01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:27,360 Zack Beins: I would love for him to make another movie, 1713 01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:30,060 Zack Beins: but his artwork is crazy. 1714 01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:32,620 Zack Beins: And he's invented mediums, 1715 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,820 Zack Beins: which is, 1716 01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:35,260 Zack Beins: that's just mind boggling. 1717 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:37,420 Zack Beins: you could still be inventing forms of art 1718 01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:38,320 Zack Beins: and he's doing it, 1719 01:14:38,940 --> 01:14:39,080 Zack Beins: so. 1720 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, well also his movie, he did all the, 1721 01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:44,400 Lloyd Kaufman: this is before CGI and all that, 1722 01:14:44,740 --> 01:14:45,240 Lloyd Kaufman: and he did, 1723 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,300 Lloyd Kaufman: Rufus Sater did all the, 1724 01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:50,260 Lloyd Kaufman: if I remember correctly, did all the opticals. 1725 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,880 Zack Beins: Yeah, there's crazy opticals and rear projection 1726 01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,960 Zack Beins: and it's one of the more FX heavy trauma movies 1727 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,620 Zack Beins: that's out there and because it's black and white, 1728 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,520 Zack Beins: I don't know if people have given it the- 1729 01:15:02,580 --> 01:15:03,720 Lloyd Kaufman: No, that was the curse. 1730 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:10,420 Lloyd Kaufman: Unfortunately in its day the black and white just wouldn't nobody and there was we did 1731 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,340 Lloyd Kaufman: We did the VHS, 1732 01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:17,040 Zack Beins: but it didn't work and I like the tagline the special D colorized version. 1733 01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:17,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes 1734 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,260 Lloyd Kaufman: We tried everything 1735 01:15:21,580 --> 01:15:24,620 Zack Beins: But can you see beautiful movie and it's really funny. 1736 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:25,400 Zack Beins: Yeah 1737 01:15:26,180 --> 01:15:32,300 Zack Beins: Can you talk more about some of the movie posters though that that were like your favorites that came through? 1738 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:36,180 Zack Beins: I know like like Trisha Zemmick did a lot of like just beautiful artwork 1739 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,960 Zack Beins: But like like if you had to pick a few of your favorite posters not movies 1740 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,060 Zack Beins: But just posters that that have been on your stuff 1741 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:45,680 Lloyd Kaufman: well 1742 01:15:46,540 --> 01:15:51,660 Lloyd Kaufman: In in the fullness of time certainly the iconic toxic Avenger 1743 01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:55,300 Lloyd Kaufman: Cartoony poster by Sid Blaise 1744 01:15:56,020 --> 01:16:00,300 Lloyd Kaufman: It's wonderful simple and but at the time when he made it 1745 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,740 Lloyd Kaufman: In fact, even before he made it we had another poster 1746 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,480 Lloyd Kaufman: Where you don't see Toxie's face, 1747 01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:09,960 Lloyd Kaufman: which is great. I love that one, too 1748 01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:13,100 Zack Beins: But that one where like kind of the Sun is behind. That's right. 1749 01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:17,560 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, he's a Toxie silhouetted and it's got a great style to it 1750 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,700 Lloyd Kaufman: but the 1751 01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:24,740 Lloyd Kaufman: Didn't you know we were hoping that people would want to know what does he look like Toxie the mistake? 1752 01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:27,380 Lloyd Kaufman: But you know, we since we don't advertise 1753 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:34,660 Lloyd Kaufman: It was it was better to show Toxie's face and Sid Blaise did this wonderful very very 1754 01:16:36,019 --> 01:16:39,760 Lloyd Kaufman: penetrating image that is with the mop and and 1755 01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:43,140 Lloyd Kaufman: It's iconic now 1756 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:49,460 Zack Beins: It's such like when you see somebody with the mop like it's right away 1757 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:55,099 Zack Beins: It's so iconic like I think a Toxie but that could just be me but no you're right. It's right 1758 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,440 Zack Beins: It's like kind of built into the American DNA at this point like that. 1759 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:00,040 Zack Beins: Yeah. 1760 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah the phrase you mop 1761 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,080 Lloyd Kaufman: It's become very popular 1762 01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:11,180 Lloyd Kaufman: President Bush just I mean President Biden just said that 1763 01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,420 Zack Beins: He's a big trauma fan from what I understand. 1764 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:15,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes. 1765 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,100 Lloyd Kaufman: He is. He likes rabid grannies 1766 01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:23,500 Zack Beins: I I seem to seem to remember that beware children at play. He would show to his sons before bedtime. 1767 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:24,440 Lloyd Kaufman: That's right 1768 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:24,940 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 1769 01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:25,560 Lloyd Kaufman: exactly. 1770 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Was it Gringo? 1771 01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:32,420 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, Story of a Junkie. 1772 01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:34,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, I think he and Hunter used to watch that. 1773 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:36,820 Lloyd Kaufman: They used to bond together, 1774 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:37,760 Lloyd Kaufman: father and son. 1775 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,780 Lloyd Kaufman: They would watch it in the Chelsea Hotel together. 1776 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:40,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Story. 1777 01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:42,820 Lloyd Kaufman: That's it, could well be. 1778 01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:44,600 Zack Beins: So, 1779 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:46,580 Zack Beins: you've been, 1780 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,340 Zack Beins: you know, you have tons of fans and stuff around the world, 1781 01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:57,780 Zack Beins: And one of the things about trauma fans that I've seen there's some really rabid ones that have tattoos of the toxic 1782 01:17:57,980 --> 01:18:03,300 Zack Beins: Avenger or you kid you remember the first time you saw a trauma tattoo 1783 01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:08,100 Zack Beins: And what what did that feel like like that's got to be weird, right? I don't remember 1784 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,280 Lloyd Kaufman: But I can tell you that I probably had to change my underwear. Let's put it that way 1785 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:13,680 Lloyd Kaufman: That's good. 1786 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,179 Lloyd Kaufman: That's a big deal that somebody would 1787 01:18:17,260 --> 01:18:22,560 Zack Beins: It's it's probably a lot more common to see trauma and toxic tattoos now 1788 01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:25,700 Zack Beins: But but I can only imagine like the first yeah 1789 01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:31,900 Lloyd Kaufman: Well my mind you said it and then occasionally this my face on people's 1790 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,340 Lloyd Kaufman: Inner thighs, you know that kind of thing 1791 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,760 Lloyd Kaufman: I think about that your face 1792 01:18:39,580 --> 01:18:40,220 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 1793 01:18:40,460 --> 01:18:42,300 Zack Beins: exactly not always tattooed oh 1794 01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:45,040 Lloyd Kaufman: That's another podcast. 1795 01:18:45,460 --> 01:18:47,560 Lloyd Kaufman: That's my university days. 1796 01:18:48,750 --> 01:18:48,900 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 1797 01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:49,860 Lloyd Kaufman: My salad years. 1798 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:52,720 Zack Beins: The salad tossing days. 1799 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,000 Zack Beins: The tossing salad years. 1800 01:18:54,930 --> 01:18:55,080 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 1801 01:18:57,300 --> 01:19:00,140 Zack Beins: One thing I like in your career 1802 01:19:00,290 --> 01:19:01,500 Zack Beins: is that there's definite, 1803 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,540 Zack Beins: like here is this era, the sexy comedy era, 1804 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,760 Zack Beins: or as people refer to, you know, 1805 01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,740 Zack Beins: like the toxic avenger through Kabuki Man, 1806 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:10,720 Zack Beins: like the golden era. 1807 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,900 Zack Beins: and then the new era where it starts with Tromeo 1808 01:19:15,900 --> 01:19:16,840 Zack Beins: and Poultry Geist, 1809 01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:19,360 Zack Beins: was there a conscious effort 1810 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,420 Zack Beins: to kind of go more shocking from Kabuki Man, 1811 01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,440 Zack Beins: which is a more friendly movie than Tromeo, 1812 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:31,280 Zack Beins: and they kind of become more offensive 1813 01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:33,700 Zack Beins: as they go on to some viewers. 1814 01:19:33,900 --> 01:19:35,020 Zack Beins: Was that a conscious effort, 1815 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,160 Zack Beins: or is that just kind of the evolution that was natural? 1816 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:40,940 Lloyd Kaufman: good thing you tacked on to some viewers. 1817 01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:42,960 Zack Beins: I don't think they're offensive. 1818 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,080 Zack Beins: I was waiting for that, believe you me. 1819 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,440 Zack Beins: 'Cause I show the movies to friends 1820 01:19:50,980 --> 01:19:51,340 Zack Beins: and it's, 1821 01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:54,160 Zack Beins: you know, this is what it is. 1822 01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:55,660 Zack Beins: It's a work of art, but they're like, 1823 01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,520 Zack Beins: oh my goodness, you know, the Pearl Pluchet. 1824 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,100 Lloyd Kaufman: You have to tell a lot of people, 1825 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,560 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, they don't get it, but they're gonna do. 1826 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,580 Zack Beins: And we officially first met on Poultry Geist. 1827 01:20:04,940 --> 01:20:05,480 Zack Beins: Yes we did. 1828 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:12,920 Zack Beins: So my first few weeks there I was scrubbing the McDonald's, just keeping it clean. 1829 01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:20,360 Zack Beins: And I remember one day you came to the church before I met you and I did not have a job 1830 01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:21,200 Zack Beins: that I was working on. 1831 01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:22,440 Zack Beins: They were like, "Do you want to meet Lloyd?" 1832 01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:26,000 Zack Beins: I was like, "I don't want Lloyd to see me not working the first time." 1833 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:26,140 Zack Beins: Like, 1834 01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:26,760 Zack Beins: "Mr. 1835 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,360 Zack Beins: Kaufman, 1836 01:20:27,660 --> 01:20:29,240 Zack Beins: I really like the Toxic Avenger. 1837 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,540 Zack Beins: Thank you for letting me work on your film." 1838 01:20:31,540 --> 01:20:35,820 Zack Beins: So the first time I met you was inside of the chicken bunker and you came up to me and 1839 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,220 Zack Beins: you were like, "You went to Columbine, right?" 1840 01:20:38,380 --> 01:20:42,120 Zack Beins: And we just kind of hit it off right off the bat where you and Gabe... 1841 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,080 Zack Beins: To Columbine, I couldn't possibly have said that. 1842 01:20:44,140 --> 01:20:44,500 Zack Beins: No, 1843 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:45,580 Zack Beins: no, I don't think so. 1844 01:20:45,580 --> 01:20:45,640 Zack Beins: No bad taste. 1845 01:20:46,180 --> 01:20:47,860 Lloyd Kaufman: That was Gabe Friedman, he said that. 1846 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,040 Zack Beins: But you trusted me and Richard. 1847 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,740 Lloyd Kaufman: That was Richard Taylor, he said that. 1848 01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:53,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, it must have been. 1849 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:55,980 Zack Beins: The fog of time. 1850 01:20:56,540 --> 01:20:56,900 Lloyd Kaufman: Exactly. 1851 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:57,600 Lloyd Kaufman: It clouds things over. 1852 01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,540 Lloyd Kaufman: I was getting you to the prayer meetings. 1853 01:21:00,020 --> 01:21:01,480 Lloyd Kaufman: We had 7am prayer meetings, 1854 01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:02,320 Lloyd Kaufman: don't you remember? 1855 01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:04,980 Lloyd Kaufman: And you and Richard, I tried to get you to come. 1856 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,060 Zack Beins: It was 6am rap, 7am prayer meetings. 1857 01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:08,900 Zack Beins: Yeah, you went to, 1858 01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:11,080 Lloyd Kaufman: couldn't get you to do it. 1859 01:21:11,620 --> 01:21:11,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 1860 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:12,320 Lloyd Kaufman: go on. 1861 01:21:12,340 --> 01:21:13,200 Zack Beins: But you, 1862 01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:16,300 Zack Beins: but just from that brief interaction, 1863 01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:17,520 Zack Beins: and you remembered the, 1864 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:18,640 Zack Beins: like me and Richard 1865 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,760 Zack Beins: made a short film for the Toxic Avenger 1866 01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:23,980 Zack Beins: 21st Anniversary DVD, and you and Gabe remembered that. 1867 01:21:24,420 --> 01:21:27,460 Zack Beins: And you trusted us with doing the blood on that film, 1868 01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:30,440 Zack Beins: which little did we know when we were like, 1869 01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,540 Zack Beins: of course we'll make the blood for this movie, 1870 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,920 Zack Beins: that that was gonna be a whole nother- 1871 01:21:35,180 --> 01:21:39,220 Lloyd Kaufman: 20 hours a day of mixing various types of blood too, 1872 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:45,900 Lloyd Kaufman: because you can't just go with the sugar. 1873 01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:48,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, you can't always do corn syrup. 1874 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,100 Lloyd Kaufman: Sometimes it's gotta- 1875 01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,080 Lloyd Kaufman: It clogs up the surgical tubing. 1876 01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:53,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Higher extinguishers and yeah. 1877 01:21:53,380 --> 01:21:55,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, not that so much, but the tubing, 1878 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,760 Lloyd Kaufman: it really clogs up. 1879 01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:00,140 Lloyd Kaufman: No, you're right the fire extinguishers. Yeah, otherwise, 1880 01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,140 Lloyd Kaufman: that's why it looks like water when it comes out 1881 01:22:02,180 --> 01:22:02,400 Zack Beins: Yeah 1882 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,880 Zack Beins: but like you had us all all learn on set Richard calls himself the 1883 01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:10,360 Zack Beins: R2d2 of Tromaville because he was stuck inside that meat grinder 1884 01:22:11,300 --> 01:22:14,500 Zack Beins: That's right. Like spinning that around and spraying blood out 1885 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,000 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, that meat grinder was quite a feat 1886 01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:22,820 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean poultry guys is for the money it was again under half a million bucks. 1887 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:23,760 Lloyd Kaufman: That's a 1888 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,800 Lloyd Kaufman: 300 chicken Indian zombies in the middle of the night and and 1889 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:31,920 Lloyd Kaufman: singing and dancing and 1890 01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,880 Lloyd Kaufman: The whole thing we had a we lived in a church, 1891 01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:38,180 Lloyd Kaufman: which was where we shot the section. 1892 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:38,720 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah 1893 01:22:39,180 --> 01:22:43,420 Zack Beins: So that was funny. We were allowed to shoot sex scenes inside of the church. That was okay 1894 01:22:43,810 --> 01:22:48,800 Lloyd Kaufman: But also you had a lot of sex scenes inside that church for this lot of hookups in there 1895 01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:56,460 Zack Beins: Inside of that church was very it was the natural pheromones permeating through everything 1896 01:22:57,820 --> 01:22:58,900 Lloyd Kaufman: mixed with a 1897 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:00,220 Lloyd Kaufman: delightful 1898 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,860 Lloyd Kaufman: politically correct 1899 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,900 Lloyd Kaufman: sauce of swamp ass 1900 01:23:04,740 --> 01:23:09,160 Lloyd Kaufman: To make a perfect burrito the aroma new trouble exactly 1901 01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:17,600 Lloyd Kaufman: But I was ironic because keep going you were saying we can the 1902 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:23,260 Zack Beins: Hamburger McDonald's place. Yeah, the McDonald's wouldn't let us shoot. No nudity. 1903 01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:24,540 Lloyd Kaufman: No nudity there 1904 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,400 Zack Beins: That was not okay at the most Rob McDonald's in America. 1905 01:23:28,580 --> 01:23:28,740 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 1906 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,600 Lloyd Kaufman: where is that? And it was abandoned, 1907 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,120 Lloyd Kaufman: you know 1908 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,800 Zack Beins: We had all the people coming up either looking for jobs or shooting at us. 1909 01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:37,900 Zack Beins: That was horrible 1910 01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:43,699 Lloyd Kaufman: and then the church is where we replicated part of the 1911 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,740 Lloyd Kaufman: American chicken bunker and that's where the sex was. 1912 01:23:47,940 --> 01:23:49,240 Zack Beins: Well, I think that's funny too. 1913 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:50,520 Zack Beins: Beautiful sex. We 1914 01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,520 Zack Beins: We went out one of the few 1915 01:23:54,340 --> 01:23:55,820 Lloyd Kaufman: It was glorious. 1916 01:23:56,060 --> 01:24:00,060 Lloyd Kaufman: It was everybody close set with about 200 people on the set 1917 01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,320 Zack Beins: I was not 1918 01:24:03,820 --> 01:24:08,260 Zack Beins: Invited on that close that those were that that was the only days I was not not on there 1919 01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:13,079 Zack Beins: But I will say my my sleeping bag was underneath some of the people on those 1920 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,120 Zack Beins: Nice lucky you 1921 01:24:17,739 --> 01:24:23,880 Zack Beins: Scrape that off before I would I would have liked to be that sleepy man the black mold 1922 01:24:23,940 --> 01:24:26,520 Zack Beins: Oh is envy it. I was envious of that black mold of that 1923 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,600 Zack Beins: But I've heard from other people who've worked on 1924 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,440 Zack Beins: some of the newer trauma films like 1925 01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:41,219 Zack Beins: Return to Newcomb higher shit storm or even citizen toxi that poultry guys was probably one of the more grueling of all the shoots 1926 01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,560 Zack Beins: From your perspective. 1927 01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:49,020 Zack Beins: Would you agree with that or was some of was there a harder film that you shot? 1928 01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Well the documentary about the making of 1929 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:55,640 Lloyd Kaufman: poultry guys is 1930 01:24:56,659 --> 01:24:57,340 Lloyd Kaufman: hilarious 1931 01:24:58,500 --> 01:25:02,780 Lloyd Kaufman: but it's the unvarnished truth of how difficult it is to make a 1932 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,160 Lloyd Kaufman: trauma movie and you see the 1933 01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,719 Lloyd Kaufman: You see if right the camera guy almost got 1934 01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:15,840 Lloyd Kaufman: The director of photography got I don't know if he will you see yeah, he started a fistfight fistfight 1935 01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,579 Lloyd Kaufman: and almost got his ass kicked and 1936 01:25:19,420 --> 01:25:21,300 Lloyd Kaufman: people fall in love and and 1937 01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:28,580 Lloyd Kaufman: Proposed in the documentary and I mean there's everything going on in that and you see how difficult 1938 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:34,900 Lloyd Kaufman: Poultrygeist was to make and what a jerk I was in a large part of the event 1939 01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,000 Lloyd Kaufman: screaming at people and 1940 01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:45,940 Lloyd Kaufman: And then in the middle of the night we chose to shoot the nighttime scene with 300 zombie Indian 1941 01:25:46,740 --> 01:25:47,160 Lloyd Kaufman: chickens 1942 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:55,140 Lloyd Kaufman: The shortest night of the year so battling the clock and the DP insists that it's time for a cheeseburger 1943 01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:56,240 Zack Beins: We need pizza. 1944 01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:56,980 Lloyd Kaufman: No 1945 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:03,500 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, we had to be cheeseburger so we had to give him an hour whatever it was 1946 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:10,920 Lloyd Kaufman: Losing daylight and he's inside reading and he's the only one he's reading a newspaper with his feet 1947 01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:12,720 Lloyd Kaufman: legs crossed 1948 01:26:14,420 --> 01:26:17,880 Lloyd Kaufman: And he was a good great guy just somehow in that movie 1949 01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:19,820 Lloyd Kaufman: he became the 1950 01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,660 Zack Beins: Kind of the bad guy in the behind-the-scenes. 1951 01:26:23,020 --> 01:26:23,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah. 1952 01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:25,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, it's weird because 1953 01:26:26,260 --> 01:26:27,820 Zack Beins: Have you have you talked to you? 1954 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:35,880 Zack Beins: Have you talked to Brendan Flynn after after that or do you know how he feels about how he showed up in that documentary? 1955 01:26:36,420 --> 01:26:37,060 Lloyd Kaufman: I 1956 01:26:37,180 --> 01:26:42,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Don't know. I don't recall. I don't know that he's been in touch since then. 1957 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,380 Lloyd Kaufman: I think he lives in Europe 1958 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:46,740 Lloyd Kaufman: Beautiful wife. 1959 01:26:47,540 --> 01:26:53,400 Zack Beins: Okay, I believe he has a knockout one one thing that the documentary doesn't show 1960 01:26:54,540 --> 01:26:56,699 Zack Beins: which took me aback and 1961 01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,800 Zack Beins: Made me realize one thing I want to do how I run my sets 1962 01:27:01,460 --> 01:27:04,540 Zack Beins: was at the end of the day no matter the arguments or 1963 01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:11,840 Zack Beins: Like sometimes during shooting like you just might not like any of us might not like each other because we're at ends 1964 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,120 Zack Beins: artistically or whatever 1965 01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:16,160 Zack Beins: but at the end of the day when we wrapped you went around to 1966 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:20,520 Zack Beins: every single person on set whether it was the the lead person or 1967 01:27:21,180 --> 01:27:26,960 Zack Beins: Somebody who was driving to and from set and you personally thanked them and it wasn't a lip service 1968 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,000 Zack Beins: Like you could tell it was a deep heartfelt. 1969 01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,060 Zack Beins: No, thank you 1970 01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:34,840 Zack Beins: you said and that's something that none of the behind-the-scenes documentaries show and 1971 01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:42,800 Zack Beins: That really really impressed me that that was something that you did and I I've taken that to heart 1972 01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,539 Zack Beins: on everything I've ever done after that to 1973 01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,840 Zack Beins: like it meant a lot on especially on some of those tough days on poultry guys like 1974 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,420 Zack Beins: We're arguing in in a shit-covered bathroom. 1975 01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:56,020 Zack Beins: Oh 1976 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:57,060 Zack Beins: Yeah, 1977 01:27:57,580 --> 01:28:02,920 Zack Beins: like that was probably the worst day for me on set was Joe Fikers Joe flyshakers shit day 1978 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:03,420 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 1979 01:28:03,580 --> 01:28:05,440 Lloyd Kaufman: the diarrhea exploding diarrhea. 1980 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,040 Zack Beins: It just nothing worked right and we were all angry with each other 1981 01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:10,780 Zack Beins: But yeah, it was a tough day. 1982 01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:12,960 Zack Beins: You still gave us a heartfelt. 1983 01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,519 Zack Beins: Thank you. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean seriously 1984 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:17,480 Lloyd Kaufman: People sleeping, 1985 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,320 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah, I mean it's not that long ago 1986 01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,560 Lloyd Kaufman: I was doing that, you know, I'm practically doing it 1987 01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:24,280 Lloyd Kaufman: to this day, 1988 01:28:24,740 --> 01:28:26,800 Lloyd Kaufman: learning to shit in a paper bag, you know. 1989 01:28:26,940 --> 01:28:27,500 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean it's, 1990 01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,100 Lloyd Kaufman: I can feel it, it's in my blood, 1991 01:28:30,260 --> 01:28:30,480 Lloyd Kaufman: you know. 1992 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:36,500 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm still grabbing the bread from the free breakfast 1993 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,300 Lloyd Kaufman: if I'm up early enough or whatever. 1994 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,259 Lloyd Kaufman: By the way, the breakfast here in the- 1995 01:28:42,700 --> 01:28:43,880 Zack Beins: That's what I, I'm gonna sample some- 1996 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,280 Zack Beins: I don't wanna say the name of the hotel, 1997 01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:47,200 Lloyd Kaufman: but apparently it's really great. 1998 01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:47,920 Lloyd Kaufman: That's what I hear. 1999 01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:49,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Free omelets should come in. 2000 01:28:50,220 --> 01:28:51,840 Lloyd Kaufman: It's too early, that's the problem. 2001 01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:53,280 Lloyd Kaufman: Very early. 2002 01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:54,040 Zack Beins: Yeah. 2003 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Speaking of poultry guys with eggs. 2004 01:28:57,500 --> 01:28:59,240 Zack Beins: That's exactly what I wanted to hear. 2005 01:28:59,560 --> 01:28:59,660 Zack Beins: Exactly. 2006 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:01,360 Lloyd Kaufman: No yolk. 2007 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:01,940 Zack Beins: Yeah, 2008 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:03,200 Zack Beins: you're cracking me up. 2009 01:29:04,220 --> 01:29:04,740 Zack Beins: (laughing) 2010 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,820 Zack Beins: We shall not do that again. 2011 01:29:07,020 --> 01:29:08,600 Zack Beins: You are so shellfish. 2012 01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,340 Zack Beins: You're very shellfish. 2013 01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:11,160 Zack Beins: (laughing) 2014 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:13,220 Zack Beins: Well, 2015 01:29:13,820 --> 01:29:17,260 Zack Beins: I wanna kinda jump a little more 2016 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,040 Zack Beins: to #ShakespeareShitstorm. 2017 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:19,600 Zack Beins: Okay, 2018 01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:22,920 Lloyd Kaufman: but we may have to kind of wind this down 2019 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,920 Lloyd Kaufman: because I'm getting weak, 2020 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,860 Lloyd Kaufman: but we could all go out and have a bite to eat if you want. 2021 01:29:28,900 --> 01:29:32,000 Zack Beins: I think we'll wind this down after this, 2022 01:29:32,060 --> 01:29:32,920 Zack Beins: but I do wanna- 2023 01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:34,600 Lloyd Kaufman: We can do another session too. 2024 01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:36,040 Zack Beins: Oh, we'll definitely have to. 2025 01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,660 Zack Beins: I think this'll be the good kind of, 2026 01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:42,280 Zack Beins: the intro to Lloyd, and we'll do more on that. 2027 01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,480 Zack Beins: But just a couple more things before we really wind down. 2028 01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:45,880 Zack Beins: Sure, sure. 2029 01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,320 Zack Beins: So I watched Battle of Love's Return before this weekend, 2030 01:29:51,660 --> 01:29:52,740 Zack Beins: and I noticed- 2031 01:29:52,740 --> 01:29:55,240 Lloyd Kaufman: No, this lip gloss is very sweet, 2032 01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:56,300 Lloyd Kaufman: it's rather tasty. 2033 01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:56,740 Lloyd Kaufman: Ooh, 2034 01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:58,240 Lloyd Kaufman: ooh, you're right, it is. 2035 01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:59,160 Lloyd Kaufman: Nice, 2036 01:29:59,340 --> 01:29:59,800 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah. 2037 01:30:01,740 --> 01:30:02,080 Zack Beins: But anyway, 2038 01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:02,700 Zack Beins: so I was- 2039 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:03,400 Zack Beins: I want more. 2040 01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:05,800 Zack Beins: I was watching Battle of Love's Return, 2041 01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:10,060 Zack Beins: and in one of the opening scenes of that film, 2042 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,480 Zack Beins: your father quote Shakespeare. 2043 01:30:13,940 --> 01:30:18,000 Zack Beins: And I noticed at the end of #ShakespeareShitstorm 2044 01:30:18,220 --> 01:30:21,860 Zack Beins: that you're probably similar in age to when he shot that 2045 01:30:21,890 --> 01:30:25,540 Zack Beins: as to when you shot #ShakespeareShitstorm 2046 01:30:25,620 --> 01:30:27,140 Zack Beins: and you're giving your soliloquy. 2047 01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:29,800 Zack Beins: And it felt like, and I've heard you say in other interviews 2048 01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:31,780 Zack Beins: this might be the last movie you direct. 2049 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,980 Zack Beins: And it felt like kind of like a perfect bookend 2050 01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,520 Zack Beins: of your filmmaking career. 2051 01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,260 Zack Beins: Was that intentional or was that? 2052 01:30:42,540 --> 01:30:42,720 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 2053 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:43,660 Lloyd Kaufman: not intentional, 2054 01:30:43,940 --> 01:30:46,840 Lloyd Kaufman: but I certainly was extremely moved 2055 01:30:47,460 --> 01:30:51,380 Lloyd Kaufman: by the Revel speech, which is the scene you're talking about 2056 01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:56,220 Lloyd Kaufman: and the fact that my daughters are in the shot with me 2057 01:30:56,620 --> 01:31:00,240 Lloyd Kaufman: talking about Revels now are ended. 2058 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,680 Lloyd Kaufman: These are actors are just, 2059 01:31:03,980 --> 01:31:08,359 Lloyd Kaufman: these are just dreams and we are such stuff 2060 01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:14,940 Lloyd Kaufman: dreams are made of and meanwhile my daughters are in the scene and you know 2061 01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:22,400 Lloyd Kaufman: kind of has several yeah I mean I did tear up luckily our crew took so 2062 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:29,260 Lloyd Kaufman: fucking long to put the lights on that I think I gave better rehearsals but I 2063 01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:34,280 Lloyd Kaufman: don't know if I've had I was a bit teary in that I don't know if any of your 2064 01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:37,740 Zack Beins: films that ever made me like weep before but that scene did. 2065 01:31:38,140 --> 01:31:39,920 Zack Beins: And I think it just shows 2066 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,320 Zack Beins: through your career that you are a powerful filmmaker. 2067 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:44,100 Zack Beins: Oh, thank you. 2068 01:31:44,440 --> 01:31:44,760 Lloyd Kaufman: Thank you. 2069 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,000 Lloyd Kaufman: My stepmother, 2070 01:31:46,220 --> 01:31:46,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Sigrun, 2071 01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:50,900 Lloyd Kaufman: for whom #ShakespeareShitstorm is dedicated 2072 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,500 Lloyd Kaufman: along with Stan Lee and John G. Avilson, 2073 01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:56,060 Lloyd Kaufman: she wept during Toxic Avenger. 2074 01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:57,539 Lloyd Kaufman: So we had the first 2075 01:31:57,500 --> 01:32:01,760 Lloyd Kaufman: screening. It was an investor screening and my father brought her, 2076 01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:03,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Sigrund, my 2077 01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:04,300 Lloyd Kaufman: stepmother, 2078 01:32:04,540 --> 01:32:09,920 Lloyd Kaufman: and Leni Riefenstahl and who brought a some kind of big German judge 2079 01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,600 Lloyd Kaufman: to see the first commercial, 2080 01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,640 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, first investor screening of the 2081 01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:20,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Toxic Avenger and it was a great evening. 2082 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,319 Zack Beins: I don't know if you're fucking with me. Did Leni Riefenstahl actually... 2083 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:24,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Yes, 2084 01:32:25,380 --> 01:32:25,820 Lloyd Kaufman: yes, 2085 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,440 Lloyd Kaufman: because she'd stay with my stepmother and father. 2086 01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,320 Lloyd Kaufman: And by the time Toxic Adventure came along, 2087 01:32:33,460 --> 01:32:34,260 Lloyd Kaufman: she was interested. 2088 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:35,420 Zack Beins: Oh my goodness. 2089 01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:36,420 Lloyd Kaufman: She showed up. 2090 01:32:36,860 --> 01:32:38,120 Lloyd Kaufman: And we didn't have, unfortunately, 2091 01:32:38,180 --> 01:32:40,560 Lloyd Kaufman: we didn't have digital cameras. 2092 01:32:40,820 --> 01:32:41,060 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean, 2093 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:42,400 Lloyd Kaufman: if we would have had it, 2094 01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,480 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, it would have been great to film some of that. 2095 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,100 Lloyd Kaufman: And she was literally staying with my father 2096 01:32:47,740 --> 01:32:49,740 Lloyd Kaufman: and Sigrun numerous times. 2097 01:32:50,380 --> 01:32:52,780 Lloyd Kaufman: And we had dinner with her, we went to, 2098 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:59,760 Lloyd Kaufman: know did you you and us how to cook and with ovens I mean it must have been a 2099 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:08,740 Zack Beins: gas did a special Thanksgiving did you and Lenny Riefenstahl share any tricks 2100 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:14,760 Lloyd Kaufman: of the trade we well I was very my wife and I were like really didn't want to 2101 01:33:15,020 --> 01:33:20,159 Lloyd Kaufman: screw around because you know the woman it was one of the greatest filmmakers of 2102 01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:20,680 Lloyd Kaufman: all time. 2103 01:33:21,340 --> 01:33:22,320 Lloyd Kaufman: And she didn't, 2104 01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:25,500 Lloyd Kaufman: she was just a woman trying to have a career and if she 2105 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,940 Lloyd Kaufman: had come to New York, Leonard Riefenstahl would have been cutting negative for 2106 01:33:29,180 --> 01:33:31,260 Lloyd Kaufman: Disney or something, you know, doing an anonymous, 2107 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:32,660 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, 2108 01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:34,000 Lloyd Kaufman: woman, 2109 01:33:34,340 --> 01:33:34,820 Lloyd Kaufman: chattel, 2110 01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:35,760 Lloyd Kaufman: chattel. 2111 01:33:36,060 --> 01:33:41,999 Lloyd Kaufman: And so I understand that she had an opportunity and you know she was a movie 2112 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,920 Lloyd Kaufman: star in Germany, very beautiful, 2113 01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,320 Lloyd Kaufman: these Alpine films. 2114 01:33:47,410 --> 01:33:49,620 Lloyd Kaufman: And you know, 2115 01:33:50,540 --> 01:33:52,640 Lloyd Kaufman: she served her time. 2116 01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:53,200 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean, 2117 01:33:53,380 --> 01:33:57,120 Lloyd Kaufman: what are you gonna... I don't think she really burned up anybody. 2118 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:04,100 Lloyd Kaufman: There was some talk that she had something going with Hitler. 2119 01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:10,840 Lloyd Kaufman: historians have suggested that she defecated on Hitler. 2120 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:13,640 Lloyd Kaufman: So I don't know if 2121 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:14,140 Lloyd Kaufman: that's true. 2122 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:15,840 Lloyd Kaufman: Maybe just a shitty rumor. 2123 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,980 Lloyd Kaufman: I sure got a lot of bone around that. 2124 01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:20,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Amazing. 2125 01:34:22,060 --> 01:34:24,020 Lloyd Kaufman: But I want to know... 2126 01:34:24,020 --> 01:34:25,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Talk about serf Nazis. 2127 01:34:25,860 --> 01:34:28,660 Lloyd Kaufman: I did not create serf Nazis. 2128 01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:31,520 Zack Beins: You had the foresight to put it out. 2129 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:31,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 2130 01:34:32,060 --> 01:34:32,540 Lloyd Kaufman: oh yeah, 2131 01:34:32,700 --> 01:34:35,640 Lloyd Kaufman: the stupidity probably. But that actually is a masterpiece. 2132 01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:37,060 Lloyd Kaufman: It's a beautiful 2133 01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:42,260 Lloyd Kaufman: film and when it came out it was a bit just the idea of Nazi. 2134 01:34:43,020 --> 01:34:44,720 Lloyd Kaufman: And we pushed it big at 2135 01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Cannes and luckily people saw it the right way. 2136 01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,780 Lloyd Kaufman: And Michael Hirs changed the title to 2137 01:34:53,860 --> 01:34:54,680 Lloyd Kaufman: Must Die. 2138 01:34:55,340 --> 01:34:57,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Rather it was just Surf Nazis originally. 2139 01:34:57,580 --> 01:34:59,680 Zack Beins: I think that, well, it's a funner title now. 2140 01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:00,660 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 2141 01:35:00,860 --> 01:35:04,500 Lloyd Kaufman: well, how do you criticize? You can't criticize it. It's a must-die, you know. 2142 01:35:04,980 --> 01:35:05,620 Lloyd Kaufman: It's not a... 2143 01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,720 Lloyd Kaufman: It was... people were pissed off by it. 2144 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,160 Lloyd Kaufman: Even the Serf Nazis Must Die title back in the mid 80s. 2145 01:35:12,540 --> 01:35:19,260 Lloyd Kaufman: And I think we got lucky because Ebert or Rex Reed, one of them, 2146 01:35:20,580 --> 01:35:24,280 Lloyd Kaufman: was curious at Cannes and went to see it at the Cannes Film Festival. 2147 01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:26,420 Lloyd Kaufman: We went to theaters and went through... 2148 01:35:26,420 --> 01:35:31,300 Lloyd Kaufman: We had big posters in front of Carlton Hotel with "Surf Nazis Must Die." 2149 01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,040 Lloyd Kaufman: And there were a couple of serious critics who saw it and saw that it was a good film. 2150 01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,840 Lloyd Kaufman: With beautiful photography of the surfing stuff. 2151 01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:46,940 Zack Beins: I'm a surf movie nerd and like that's some of the best like of that era surfing footage. 2152 01:35:46,980 --> 01:35:48,980 Lloyd Kaufman: The guy who shot "Any Wednesday" 2153 01:35:49,340 --> 01:35:56,840 Lloyd Kaufman: for Director Red October or something? 2154 01:35:57,100 --> 01:35:57,240 Zack Beins: Yeah. 2155 01:35:58,340 --> 01:35:59,760 Zack Beins: I know who you're talking about. 2156 01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:01,400 Lloyd Kaufman: It begins with D maybe. Anyway, 2157 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,080 Lloyd Kaufman: you know, it's a very good series director. 2158 01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:11,120 Lloyd Kaufman: But anyway, that camera person did the surfing in "Surf Nazis Must Die." 2159 01:36:11,220 --> 01:36:12,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Peter George is the... 2160 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:15,980 Zack Beins: Also did "Young Goodman Brown." 2161 01:36:15,980 --> 01:36:16,180 Zack Beins: Yes, 2162 01:36:16,620 --> 01:36:16,760 Zack Beins: indeed. 2163 01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:19,340 Zack Beins: Another Troma classic. 2164 01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:19,600 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 2165 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:20,860 Lloyd Kaufman: also I'm a Rappaccini, 2166 01:36:21,020 --> 01:36:21,880 Lloyd Kaufman: I told you earlier. 2167 01:36:22,700 --> 01:36:25,180 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm a Hawthorne freak. 2168 01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:26,800 Lloyd Kaufman: So Peter, 2169 01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:28,740 Lloyd Kaufman: when he came to us with that, 2170 01:36:29,220 --> 01:36:30,700 Lloyd Kaufman: and it wasn't finished, 2171 01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:32,100 Lloyd Kaufman: and we finished it, 2172 01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,120 Lloyd Kaufman: and it had a star in it. 2173 01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:38,760 Lloyd Kaufman: I can't remember who it was, but sort of a star. 2174 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,720 Lloyd Kaufman: But we lost our ass on that one. 2175 01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:42,860 Zack Beins: Well, 2176 01:36:43,180 --> 01:36:44,720 Zack Beins: I wanna wrap this up, 2177 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,100 Zack Beins: But one thing- 2178 01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:48,240 Lloyd Kaufman: And Young Goodman Brown is a fine movie. 2179 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,440 Lloyd Kaufman: It's Hawthorne, my God, what the hell? 2180 01:36:50,940 --> 01:36:52,520 Lloyd Kaufman: And we couldn't make two cents. 2181 01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:53,080 Lloyd Kaufman: Couldn't. 2182 01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:54,620 Zack Beins: Maybe it should have said, 2183 01:36:54,740 --> 01:36:56,960 Zack Beins: "From the director of 'Surf Nazis Must Die,' 2184 01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,020 Zack Beins: "comes Hopford's most explosive story, 2185 01:37:00,380 --> 01:37:01,480 Lloyd Kaufman: "Young Goodman Brown." 2186 01:37:01,480 --> 01:37:02,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Exactly, 2187 01:37:02,300 --> 01:37:03,560 Lloyd Kaufman: that's how we should have done it. 2188 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:04,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 2189 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,320 Lloyd Kaufman: we should have done it that way. 2190 01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:06,600 Lloyd Kaufman: That's a great idea. 2191 01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:08,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Should contact Peter George. 2192 01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:10,220 Lloyd Kaufman: You should interview him. 2193 01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:11,640 Zack Beins: I would love to. 2194 01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:19,520 Lloyd Kaufman: Serf Nazis is all his and the producer's name slips my mind, 2195 01:37:19,620 --> 01:37:23,540 Lloyd Kaufman: but they're great guys and wonderful movie. 2196 01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,620 Lloyd Kaufman: They just were way ahead of their time. 2197 01:37:25,740 --> 01:37:26,400 Zack Beins: Oh, definitely. 2198 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:32,180 Zack Beins: I wanna wind this down, but one thing myself 2199 01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:37,040 Zack Beins: and I know other people who love trauma 2200 01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:41,160 Zack Beins: and wanna know what is the future for trauma, 2201 01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:42,920 Zack Beins: especially in the next, 2202 01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:43,900 Zack Beins: like, 2203 01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,480 Zack Beins: after maybe you and Michael pass on, 2204 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,020 Zack Beins: is the company gonna go to your daughters? 2205 01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,880 Zack Beins: Or what's the future for Troma? 2206 01:37:53,540 --> 01:37:54,800 Lloyd Kaufman: That I don't know, 2207 01:37:54,980 --> 01:37:56,580 Lloyd Kaufman: but to some extent, 2208 01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:58,760 Lloyd Kaufman: Troma has a life of its own. 2209 01:37:59,580 --> 01:38:00,980 Lloyd Kaufman: Certainly, the Toxic Avenger, 2210 01:38:01,790 --> 01:38:02,760 Lloyd Kaufman: among other things, 2211 01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:03,820 Lloyd Kaufman: lives on. 2212 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,520 Lloyd Kaufman: So I imagine those movies would be, 2213 01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,420 Lloyd Kaufman: We want him to stay in a group. 2214 01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,780 Lloyd Kaufman: So I would guess at some point someone will pop up. 2215 01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,760 Lloyd Kaufman: But Michael Hirst is a bit younger than I am. 2216 01:38:19,340 --> 01:38:20,740 Lloyd Kaufman: I know he looks much older, 2217 01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:22,460 Lloyd Kaufman: but he is actually 2218 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:23,800 Lloyd Kaufman: four years younger than I. 2219 01:38:24,500 --> 01:38:25,340 Lloyd Kaufman: And no, I'm joking. 2220 01:38:25,580 --> 01:38:27,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Michael is very, very attractive. 2221 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,100 Lloyd Kaufman: He's funnier and nicer and much more attractive. 2222 01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,080 Lloyd Kaufman: But he just doesn't like the, 2223 01:38:32,460 --> 01:38:33,440 Lloyd Kaufman: he's very private. 2224 01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:34,380 Lloyd Kaufman: Very private. 2225 01:38:34,580 --> 01:38:36,560 Zack Beins: Well tell him I really want to talk to him. 2226 01:38:36,700 --> 01:38:37,940 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, no, no, don't worry, I will. 2227 01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:43,480 Lloyd Kaufman: my daughter Lily Hayes and Charlotte Kaufman who've been making a long-term 2228 01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:51,480 Lloyd Kaufman: documentary sort of inter dealing with the our family they want to talk to him 2229 01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:56,020 Lloyd Kaufman: too so you know and there's a guy writing a book about me you ought to 2230 01:38:56,040 --> 01:39:08,340 Lloyd Kaufman: talk to him he's he's a librarian of Dartmouth University oh cool and has a 2231 01:39:08,340 --> 01:39:08,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 2232 01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:10,660 Lloyd Kaufman: freaky guy too, nice guy. 2233 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,820 Zack Beins: Well, I really appreciate you coming on and being candid 2234 01:39:14,980 --> 01:39:17,040 Zack Beins: and we'll have to have you back, 2235 01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:20,520 Zack Beins: I wanna have you back on so we could talk more about 2236 01:39:20,980 --> 01:39:22,880 Zack Beins: like the terraformers and citizen toxis 2237 01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,520 Zack Beins: and like there's so many other, 2238 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:25,580 Zack Beins: like there's so much, 2239 01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:27,600 Zack Beins: but like we can't have 2240 01:39:27,740 --> 01:39:29,340 Zack Beins: like a 12 hour interview. 2241 01:39:29,980 --> 01:39:30,820 Lloyd Kaufman: We can do it, 2242 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:32,780 Lloyd Kaufman: I don't know about tomorrow 2243 01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,080 Lloyd Kaufman: because I have to leave it too, 2244 01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:36,300 Lloyd Kaufman: but we can do Zoom. 2245 01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:37,560 Zack Beins: Yeah, we could do Zoom, 2246 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:38,640 Zack Beins: but this first one, 2247 01:39:38,700 --> 01:39:39,860 Zack Beins: it was important that we did it in person. 2248 01:39:39,860 --> 01:39:41,860 Zack Beins: Yeah, I'm glad we did it live, yeah. 2249 01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:43,560 Zack Beins: So thank you so much, Lloyd. 2250 01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:47,640 Zack Beins: And for those out there who don't know 2251 01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:48,220 Zack Beins: where they can follow you- 2252 01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:48,340 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 2253 01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:49,640 Lloyd Kaufman: first of all, thank you, 2254 01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:50,680 Lloyd Kaufman: Zach Beans, 2255 01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:54,740 Lloyd Kaufman: for being so generous with your time 2256 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:59,260 Lloyd Kaufman: and being you and Richard Taylor and Zach Fester, 2257 01:39:59,720 --> 01:39:59,900 Lloyd Kaufman: what? 2258 01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:00,700 Lloyd Kaufman: Eastman. 2259 01:40:01,220 --> 01:40:02,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Jack Eastman, 2260 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:02,860 Lloyd Kaufman: Kodak, 2261 01:40:03,820 --> 01:40:05,160 Lloyd Kaufman: founder of Kodak's, 2262 01:40:05,340 --> 01:40:05,540 Lloyd Kaufman: incredible. 2263 01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:06,320 Lloyd Kaufman: (laughing) 2264 01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:09,940 Unknown: He's swimming in money, 2265 01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:11,600 Unknown: we'd be living in a penthouse right now. 2266 01:40:11,860 --> 01:40:13,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Came from Colorado, 2267 01:40:13,900 --> 01:40:14,220 Lloyd Kaufman: I'm sure. 2268 01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 2269 01:40:16,380 --> 01:40:17,460 Lloyd Kaufman: thank you very much 2270 01:40:17,580 --> 01:40:20,680 Lloyd Kaufman: for spreading the Troma love in Colorado 2271 01:40:20,820 --> 01:40:23,140 Lloyd Kaufman: and getting that screening the other night 2272 01:40:23,180 --> 01:40:24,780 Lloyd Kaufman: at the C Cultural Center. 2273 01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,120 Lloyd Kaufman: That's because of your work with Richard 2274 01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:35,660 Lloyd Kaufman: and spread to the wonderful Colorado Film Festival 2275 01:40:35,660 --> 01:40:38,860 Lloyd Kaufman: of Horror and boy was that the best audience. 2276 01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:40,720 Lloyd Kaufman: It was a lot of fun. 2277 01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:40,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 2278 01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:47,360 Lloyd Kaufman: great and you guys interacted with the fans and they loved you and Adam the killer 2279 01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:48,660 Lloyd Kaufman: zombie. 2280 01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,940 Lloyd Kaufman: That's Adam the amazing zombie killer. 2281 01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:55,780 Lloyd Kaufman: It's getting late, late out there for the... 2282 01:40:55,800 --> 01:41:01,460 Lloyd Kaufman: Well I'm on New York time too so I'm a little... and I'm sky high on cat tranquilizers. 2283 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:03,760 Zack Beins: It all comes together. 2284 01:41:03,940 --> 01:41:06,500 Zack Beins: It's called Cheezing where you sniff the glands of the cat. 2285 01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:06,920 Zack Beins: Oh, 2286 01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,180 Lloyd Kaufman: thank you, I knew there was a name for it. 2287 01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:09,400 Zack Beins: Yeah, 2288 01:41:09,780 --> 01:41:11,360 Zack Beins: so you've been cheezing with us out here. 2289 01:41:12,260 --> 01:41:14,040 Zack Beins: But no, thank you so much. 2290 01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:18,260 Zack Beins: And where on the social medias can people find more about 2291 01:41:18,980 --> 01:41:22,240 Zack Beins: what you're up to or just trauma stuff in general? 2292 01:41:22,660 --> 01:41:22,880 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, 2293 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,540 Lloyd Kaufman: I spend a lot of time on cheezing.com, 2294 01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:29,060 Lloyd Kaufman: very good site, 2295 01:41:29,660 --> 01:41:30,300 Lloyd Kaufman: really good. 2296 01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:34,060 Zack Beins: That's knockdownthemanholeclub.com. 2297 01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:34,740 Zack Beins: Well, 2298 01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,400 Lloyd Kaufman: the vegan cheesing, 2299 01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:38,400 Lloyd Kaufman: because it's a vegan podcast. 2300 01:41:38,820 --> 01:41:41,320 Zack Beins: They use almond butter, I think, to- 2301 01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:41,740 Lloyd Kaufman: No, 2302 01:41:41,980 --> 01:41:42,600 Zack Beins: boy butter. 2303 01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:43,460 Zack Beins: Boy butter. 2304 01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:44,700 Lloyd Kaufman: Boy butter, that's the official- 2305 01:41:44,700 --> 01:41:46,500 Lloyd Kaufman: With a sprinkling of nutritional yeast, right? 2306 01:41:46,540 --> 01:41:49,340 Lloyd Kaufman: That's the official butter of the old Troma team. 2307 01:41:50,420 --> 01:41:51,100 Lloyd Kaufman: Truffle butter. 2308 01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:51,960 Lloyd Kaufman: It's wonderful. 2309 01:41:52,580 --> 01:41:52,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Anyway, 2310 01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:56,160 Lloyd Kaufman: if you want to hear more about Troma, 2311 01:41:57,100 --> 01:42:02,420 Lloyd Kaufman: go to talk in trauma what they can learn all about yeah they Oh trauma now we 2312 01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:08,580 Lloyd Kaufman: should talk about yes trauma tell them about trauma is is the only place where 2313 01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,880 Zack Beins: Adam the amazing zombie killer is streaming and all the films I talked 2314 01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:19,680 Zack Beins: about on my show are on trauma now watch dot trauma comm and it's on roku and 2315 01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,719 Zack Beins: several other devices it's an app right yeah it's an app it's $4.99 a month 2316 01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:29,060 Zack Beins: Which is cheaper than all the the mega conglomerate about the first month. What is it? 2317 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:31,760 Zack Beins: It's free what it's free. 2318 01:42:32,540 --> 01:42:34,300 Lloyd Kaufman: So you can cancel after a month. 2319 01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:36,820 Zack Beins: Yeah, you can just sign up with another email address 2320 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:38,440 Zack Beins: And get perfect. 2321 01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:39,040 Zack Beins: Yeah, 2322 01:42:39,340 --> 01:42:39,780 Lloyd Kaufman: so why? 2323 01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:41,820 Lloyd Kaufman: What are we waiting for? 2324 01:42:41,980 --> 01:42:46,600 Zack Beins: Let's go all the old ex-trauma employees email addresses. You don't work there anymore 2325 01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:48,140 Zack Beins: So I'm about out of free 2326 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,940 Lloyd Kaufman: FBI's going and knocking on all these people's stores 2327 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:57,960 Zack Beins: stealing this guy who keeps watching Eve's Beach fantasy and being 2328 01:42:58,480 --> 01:42:58,840 Zack Beins: disappointed 2329 01:43:00,679 --> 01:43:05,920 Lloyd Kaufman: where's the penis I don't see one penetration I was looking for those 2330 01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:12,340 Lloyd Kaufman: Louis Sue films yeah well but it's a very difficult man but no yeah troma 2331 01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:18,520 Zack Beins: troma now is it's amazing and it's the perfect spot for me to do you what do 2332 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,700 Lloyd Kaufman: What do you do, you go to the App Store 2333 01:43:20,860 --> 01:43:22,660 Lloyd Kaufman: and buy the Tromad Now app? 2334 01:43:23,140 --> 01:43:26,340 Zack Beins: Yeah, you just download the app and then you sign in. 2335 01:43:26,860 --> 01:43:29,440 Zack Beins: You create your login and it's free. 2336 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:31,200 Lloyd Kaufman: And you can meet people there too. 2337 01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:31,460 Zack Beins: Yeah, 2338 01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:33,900 Zack Beins: so on some of the, 2339 01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:35,200 Zack Beins: like the phone app 2340 01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:36,260 Zack Beins: and on the website, 2341 01:43:36,420 --> 01:43:38,160 Zack Beins: there's message boards 2342 01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:40,360 Zack Beins: underneath the movies and you could talk back and forth. 2343 01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,360 Zack Beins: I know sometimes you participate in that as well. 2344 01:43:42,420 --> 01:43:43,360 Lloyd Kaufman: I have participated, 2345 01:43:43,580 --> 01:43:43,780 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah. 2346 01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,800 Zack Beins: And yeah, you could leave a little review 2347 01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:48,900 Zack Beins: on the movies on there. 2348 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,060 Zack Beins: Sometimes you can ask questions 2349 01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:52,440 Zack Beins: about the making of the movies, 2350 01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,060 Zack Beins: and I've seen some of the filmmakers 2351 01:43:54,060 --> 01:43:54,220 Zack Beins: hop in on there too. - Yeah, 2352 01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:54,860 Zack Beins: I'll come on 2353 01:43:54,860 --> 01:43:55,680 Lloyd Kaufman: and talk about it. 2354 01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,260 Lloyd Kaufman: And the commentary track. 2355 01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:00,140 Lloyd Kaufman: If you, for example, 2356 01:44:00,380 --> 01:44:01,980 Lloyd Kaufman: let's say you wanna see 2357 01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:04,520 Lloyd Kaufman: the Sergeant Kabuki Man NYPD, 2358 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:09,840 Lloyd Kaufman: and learn why it's less disgusting 2359 01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:11,180 Lloyd Kaufman: than most of our movies. 2360 01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,020 Lloyd Kaufman: you can get that on Troma now. 2361 01:44:15,540 --> 01:44:18,020 Lloyd Kaufman: You can get the movie and then you can watch it again 2362 01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,780 Lloyd Kaufman: with the commentary and a lot of the questions 2363 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:22,020 Lloyd Kaufman: are answered there. 2364 01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,380 Zack Beins: Are even the drunken commentary for Cannibal the Musical, 2365 01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:25,880 Zack Beins: which is- 2366 01:44:25,900 --> 01:44:27,140 Lloyd Kaufman: Well, that's a trade, Matt, 2367 01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:28,680 Lloyd Kaufman: they were way ahead of their time. 2368 01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,840 Zack Beins: And that's probably one of the most infamous commentaries 2369 01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:32,600 Lloyd Kaufman: that's out there. 2370 01:44:32,650 --> 01:44:33,780 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, that's hilarious, yeah, and they were funny. 2371 01:44:34,060 --> 01:44:34,860 Lloyd Kaufman: And the thing is, 2372 01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:38,280 Lloyd Kaufman: there's hundreds of young men 2373 01:44:38,300 --> 01:44:40,840 Lloyd Kaufman: who were getting drunk and they're not funny. 2374 01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,380 Lloyd Kaufman: And you listen to the commentators, 2375 01:44:42,900 --> 01:44:43,020 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 2376 01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:43,440 Lloyd Kaufman: Jesus, 2377 01:44:43,620 --> 01:44:44,040 Lloyd Kaufman: it's awful. 2378 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:44,540 Lloyd Kaufman: I mean, they get- 2379 01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:46,540 Lloyd Kaufman: It's like being with a drunk at a cocktail party. 2380 01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:47,760 Lloyd Kaufman: They get so-- - They were beat together. 2381 01:44:47,860 --> 01:44:48,040 Zack Beins: Yeah, 2382 01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:48,400 Zack Beins: you know. 2383 01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,640 Zack Beins: They get so drunk, they turn the microphone off 2384 01:44:50,660 --> 01:44:51,540 Zack Beins: at some point during the commentary. 2385 01:44:51,540 --> 01:44:53,280 Zack Beins: Trey and Matt are hilarious. - It's still hilarious. 2386 01:44:53,780 --> 01:44:55,120 Lloyd Kaufman: Trey and Matt are great. 2387 01:44:55,540 --> 01:44:55,820 Lloyd Kaufman: Yeah, 2388 01:44:56,020 --> 01:44:56,260 Lloyd Kaufman: yeah. 2389 01:44:56,900 --> 01:44:57,860 Zack Beins: But awesome. 2390 01:44:58,040 --> 01:44:59,020 Zack Beins: Well, thank you so much, 2391 01:44:59,260 --> 01:44:59,320 Zack Beins: Lloyd. 2392 01:44:59,580 --> 01:45:02,620 Zack Beins: And I always like to wrap it up with the crowd. 2393 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:03,740 Zack Beins: Everybody out there, 2394 01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:05,700 Zack Beins: stay traumatized. 2395 01:45:05,860 --> 01:45:06,200 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 2396 01:45:07,140 --> 01:45:08,060 Lloyd Kaufman: thank you, Zach. 2397 01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:08,540 Lloyd Kaufman: Thank you. 2398 01:45:08,660 --> 01:45:09,620 Lloyd Kaufman: Thank you, Zach Bean, 2399 01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,300 Lloyd Kaufman: and thank you to the good state of Colorado. 2400 01:45:12,660 --> 01:45:14,360 Zack Beins: Ooh, and thank you for your warm embrace. 2401 01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:17,240 Lloyd Kaufman: Oh, 2402 01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:18,720 Lloyd Kaufman: oh, hold me, 2403 01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:19,680 Lloyd Kaufman: hold me. 2404 01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:23,080 Lloyd Kaufman: (upbeat music) 2405 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,800 Lloyd Kaufman: [MUSIC PLAYING]